The influence of the EU on Britain.
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What is noticeable is that the solutions hard Brexiters give to serious issues are the sort of solutions my mum's cleaner gives. Just get on with it, it will sort itself out! And if there are easy solutions that will be solved by getting on with it, the government won't need any extensions. So Rees Mogg and his cronies opposing something that if they are right shouldn't be needed are admitting it isn't easy in an indirect way! That's the closest you will get from those absolute clowns.1
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I marched in 2003 in the largest anti war march in history. Well over 6 million in Europe joined me, which was nice.
But futile.1 -
You were on the right side of history. At least you got off your arse and did somethingA-R-T-H-U-R said:I marched in 2003 in the largest anti war march in history. Well over 6 million in Europe joined me, which was nice.
But futile.7 -
I may have overstepped the mark by that comment ........I should have said terrorism has won.se9addick said:golfaddick said:Oh.......and Macron got my goat earlier saying that the problem was now a political one ( re TM & her Government)....
no it isn't you french numpty !! Its because years of fighting between 2 sides of Ireland were solved by the GFA......and that Treaty said somthing along the lines of there shouldnt be a border between the 2 countries.
blame Tony Blair.
The IRA have won...golfaddick said:Oh.......and Macron got my goat earlier saying that the problem was now a political one ( re TM & her Government)....
no it isn't you french numpty !! Its because years of fighting between 2 sides of Ireland were solved by the GFA......and that Treaty said somthing along the lines of there shouldnt be a border between the 2 countries.
blame Tony Blair.0 -
Alistair Campbell was on fine form last night on This Week. Andrew Neil virtually got into a slanging match with him.0
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If HMRC came from Knotty Ash they'd have caught up with Ken Dodd sooner, surely?NornIrishAddick said:
Unless HMRC come from Knotty Ash, probably not.golfaddick said:
There wont be one. We are continually being told by all sides that a hard border will never, never, never ( Sir Ian Paisley) be built on my watch (TM). If the EU dont want one, The ROI dont want one, the DUP dont wont one & The UK dont wont one.....then who the feck is going to build/implement one ?? The diddy men ??seth plum said:Been out most of the day, but see some of the discussion above about the nature of the land border with the EU. Whether it is a continual fence or some lesser arrangement, or even this impossible technical monitoring, a hard border partly manifests itself in the structures used to challenge transgressions.
How is that to be got round?5 -
Please tell me you don’t actually think that ?golfaddick said:
Jacob Rees-Moghoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm still waiting for an ardent Brexiteer on here to explain who should be leading the negotiations?MuttleyCAFC said:It is pathetic that May is trying to sort out solutions to real problems and seemingly the one positive thing - from her perspective - she got from the meeting i.e. more time to sort out the backstop issue and she has to play it down as it was only a couple of months that we are very unlikely to require. We were told by the EU it was potentially another year FFS! What sort of crap is going on here? If she has to tread on eggshells with her own party we need to try to find a way to give the negotiators some power - that can be by having a clear mandate following a second vote or an election. May weakly stumbling from one internal crisis to another is damaging the country and any deal she gets will be rejected.
If we do have brexit and it turns out only half as bad as predicted - the conservative party will be unelectable for decades. That doesn't make me happy as I have no great desire to live in a poorer country.
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golfaddick said:
Oh.......and Macron got my goat earlier saying that the problem was now a political one ( re TM & her Government)....
no it isn't you french numpty !! Its because years of fighting between 2 sides of Ireland were solved by the GFA......and that Treaty said somthing along the lines of there shouldnt be a border between the 2 countries.
blame Tony Blair.
Perhaps an earlier Prime Minister in David Lloyd George might also take some responsibility way back in 1921 when he built the first border ?0 -
golfaddick said:
Jacob Rees-Moghoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm still waiting for an ardent Brexiteer on here to explain who should be leading the negotiations?MuttleyCAFC said:It is pathetic that May is trying to sort out solutions to real problems and seemingly the one positive thing - from her perspective - she got from the meeting i.e. more time to sort out the backstop issue and she has to play it down as it was only a couple of months that we are very unlikely to require. We were told by the EU it was potentially another year FFS! What sort of crap is going on here? If she has to tread on eggshells with her own party we need to try to find a way to give the negotiators some power - that can be by having a clear mandate following a second vote or an election. May weakly stumbling from one internal crisis to another is damaging the country and any deal she gets will be rejected.
If we do have brexit and it turns out only half as bad as predicted - the conservative party will be unelectable for decades. That doesn't make me happy as I have no great desire to live in a poorer country.
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I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs0 - Sponsored links:
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You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
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Sorry.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs0 -
I thought it was impliedhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sorry.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs0 -
He probably has SOMEBODY ELSE who understands hedge funds for him.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs0 -
Just to remind you that the fighting was not between the two sides of Ireland. It was between two communities within Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kindom. The PIRA, UVF etc were made up of citizens of the United Kingdom (there were probably a minority of Irish born citizens in the PIRA but the vast majority were British citizens).golfaddick said:Oh.......and Macron got my goat earlier saying that the problem was now a political one ( re TM & her Government)....
no it isn't you french numpty !! Its because years of fighting between 2 sides of Ireland were solved by the GFA......and that Treaty said somthing along the lines of there shouldnt be a border between the 2 countries.
blame Tony Blair.
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sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!1 -
Good shout....she could do with a chauffeur at the minute.golfaddick said:
Katie Price for PM !!!ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs1 -
Because of the way he speaks? Unlike David Cameron for example?golfaddick said:
sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!0 -
Is your mum's cleaner Nadine Dorries?MuttleyCAFC said:What is noticeable is that the solutions hard Brexiters give to serious issues are the sort of solutions my mum's cleaner gives. Just get on with it, it will sort itself out! And if there are easy solutions that will be solved by getting on with it, the government won't need any extensions. So Rees Mogg and his cronies opposing something that if they are right shouldn't be needed are admitting it isn't easy in an indirect way! That's the closest you will get from those absolute clowns.
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It’s not how he speaks but what he saysgolfaddick said:
sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!3 - Sponsored links:
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Fully support the idea that Prime Ministers should be educated. What’s not sitting with me comfortably though is the fact that Eton College is one school in the UK and yet it is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons on the front benches and out of a total of 54 Prime Ministers the staggering figure of 19 were educated at Eton.golfaddick said:
sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!
Now that’s quite some coincidence or something else is working here.
I will also add that I do worry that too many people equate speaking with a plummy accent as being a sign of intelligence. But the British do still like in the main to doff our caps.
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I would suggest that the majority of the countries finest politics teachers will be fighting to get a position there. And have been for well over a century. Certainly if you don't have a very fine academic/sporting/past employment history you won't be taken up for interview.1
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Are you saying we've never had a PM with a posh voice? Alec Douglas-Home (a member of the aristocracy), Anthony Eden (a member of the aristocracy) - both in my lifetime (Eden just!) and both Old Etonians.golfaddick said:
sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!
The so-called 'elite' will always run the country - twas ever thus, despite the hopes that leavers had of the little man taking back control.0 -
Interesting perspective from the chief economist of a German bank ... the UK will do just as well as the EU or better.
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Good news, but the UK could do all of this within the EU could not not? Certainly agree we need to become an "export driven economy" I know there are attempts to fix this with lots of Innovate UK funding... But stuffing up the automotive industry by leaving the Customs Union isn't going to help.2
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Top positions being filled from The best schools seems reasonable to me.ShootersHillGuru said:
Fully support the idea that Prime Ministers should be educated. What’s not sitting with me comfortably though is the fact that Eton College is one school in the UK and yet it is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons on the front benches and out of a total of 54 Prime Ministers the staggering figure of 19 were educated at Eton.golfaddick said:
sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!
Now that’s quite some coincidence or something else is working here.
I will also add that I do worry that too many people equate speaking with a plummy accent as being a sign of intelligence. But the British do still like in the main to doff our caps.0 -
David Folkerts-Landau might fancy himself as somebody, but he hasn't suggested a solution to the Irish border problem.
The future he thinks will happen depends on a solution.0 -
Not sure he agrees based upon his comment that the EU is too inward looking.McBobbin said:Good news, but the UK could do all of this within the EU could not not? Certainly agree we need to become an "export driven economy" I know there are attempts to fix this with lots of Innovate UK funding... But stuffing up the automotive industry by leaving the Customs Union isn't going to help.
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You might imagine that such selection would lead to the best quality applicants. Take a look at our 'top' politicians; it doesn't seem to be working.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Top positions being filled from The best schools seems reasonable to me.ShootersHillGuru said:
Fully support the idea that Prime Ministers should be educated. What’s not sitting with me comfortably though is the fact that Eton College is one school in the UK and yet it is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons on the front benches and out of a total of 54 Prime Ministers the staggering figure of 19 were educated at Eton.golfaddick said:
sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!
Now that’s quite some coincidence or something else is working here.
I will also add that I do worry that too many people equate speaking with a plummy accent as being a sign of intelligence. But the British do still like in the main to doff our caps.3 -
Eton is the most exclusive school, the hardest to get in to, but it is not the best school.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Top positions being filled from The best schools seems reasonable to me.ShootersHillGuru said:
Fully support the idea that Prime Ministers should be educated. What’s not sitting with me comfortably though is the fact that Eton College is one school in the UK and yet it is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons on the front benches and out of a total of 54 Prime Ministers the staggering figure of 19 were educated at Eton.golfaddick said:
sorry, I forgot you're not allowed to be "educated" anymore. Fwiw I know JRM will never be PM because of the way he speaks so its all academic (see what I did there) anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
You forgot Eton educated.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I look forward to JRM as PM as he has all the qualities needed:
He speaks slowly
He wears a double breasted suit
He has a large private income and understands hedge funds
He doesn't raise his voice
He understands Latin
He takes good care of his nanny
He doesn't have self doubt
He gives his children obscure names
He has strong religious beliefs
Katie Price for PM !!!
Now that’s quite some coincidence or something else is working here.
I will also add that I do worry that too many people equate speaking with a plummy accent as being a sign of intelligence. But the British do still like in the main to doff our caps.
The best school is Westminster School - 150 years since a PM was educated there, and second is St Paul's - 250 years since a PM was educated there!1
