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Jamal Kashoggi

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  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited October 2018
    Nobel judges are a waste of air. Always have been. More like a self-congratulatory clique.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,224
    Probably fake, but if the pictures I've been sent are actually him then I'd say it was a fair bit more than a fight
  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    CAFCsayer said:

    Probably fake, but if the pictures I've been sent are actually him then I'd say it was a fair bit more than a fight

    Are you on the CIA/MI6 WhatsApp group as well then?
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    CAFCsayer said:

    Probably fake, but if the pictures I've been sent are actually him then I'd say it was a fair bit more than a fight

    Clearly it was an accident, I mean how many times do you hear of a 15v1 brawl break out and the one being accidently brutally killed? Happens all the time on a Saturday night.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,806
    Yeah so you fly in the 15 guys closest to you who can kill someone, chop them up and forensically clean the scene up, then you forget other people have intelligence agencies bugging your gaff and have records of you fellas coming in.

    Oh, bugger.

    And you didn’t buy Charlton either,
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,881
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-official/amid-scepticism-saudi-official-provides-another-version-of-khashoggi-death-idUSKCN1MV04V

    Reuters report of another version from Saudi official.

    'The latest account, provided by a Saudi official who requested anonymity, includes details on how the team of 15 Saudi nationals sent to confront Khashoggi on Oct. 2 had threatened him with being drugged and kidnapped and then killed him in a chokehold when he resisted. A member of the team then dressed in Khashoggi’s clothes to make it appear as if he had left the consulate'
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    I imagine it is quite easy to get into a punch up with loads of people when you are just going in to pick up some papers for your wedding.
  • smiffyboy
    smiffyboy Posts: 4,314
    CAFCsayer said:

    Probably fake, but if the pictures I've been sent are actually him then I'd say it was a fair bit more than a fight

    I've seen those pictures and it does look like him tbf.
  • Sheepie1985
    Sheepie1985 Posts: 480
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45935823

    There's a quote in it that is just insane...

    "The video appears to show the man leaving the consulate by the back door on the day the journalist was killed, wearing Khashoggi's clothes, a fake beard and glasses"
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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,954
    The Saudi excuses are the state level version of those blokes who go into A&E with a ketchup bottle up their arse who claim to have slipped whilst cleaning the kitchen starkers.

  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    North Lower Neil said:

    The Saudi excuses are the state level version of those blokes who go into A&E with a ketchup bottle up their arse who claim to have slipped whilst cleaning the kitchen starkers.

    Same thing happened to me with a cucumber.
  • 1StevieG
    1StevieG Posts: 10,964
    edited October 2018
    North Lower Neil said:

    The Saudi excuses are the state level version of those blokes who go into A&E with a ketchup bottle up their arse who claim to have slipped whilst cleaning the kitchen starkers.

    I think it’s a case of waiting until the most credible excuse is released. I am surprised they didn’t say “Khashoggi fell on a bone saw several times while we tried to protect him from beating himself up”.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Where's the body?

    My dog ate it.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,275
    the Saudi’s will keep changing their storey until it is something vaguely credible but does not implicate the crown prince at which time Trump et al will delightedly congratulate them for coming clean and express their delight it has been resolved and the crown prince is not involved. Then they will carry on their arms deals.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Athletico Charlton said:

    the Saudi’s will keep changing their storey until it is something vaguely credible but does not implicate the crown prince at which time Trump et al will delightedly congratulate them for coming clean and express their delight it has been resolved and the crown prince is not involved. Then they will carry on their arms deals.

    Sadly, this is pretty much spot on.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Ergogan's statement pretty short on details after promising to tell all. Does he have evidence or is he bluffing?
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    Rizzo said:

    Ergogan's statement pretty short on details after promising to tell all. Does he have evidence or is he bluffing?

    He's going to cut a deal with the Saudis - he obviously has a strong bargaining position.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,655
    Rizzo said:

    Ergogan's statement pretty short on details after promising to tell all. Does he have evidence or is he bluffing?

    Or is he using the information to blackmail some of the richest people on the planet. The Saudi's would clearly pay billions of dollars to make this go away.

    BTW what's the top theory as to why he was killed? Was it solely down to personal enmity from the crown prince or did Khashoggi have information about the Saudi's that was so explosive that he had to die? (Just wondering if anyone's seen any credible theories?)
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Not heard any suggestion that he had anything damaging. It seems to be pretty much that he said nasty things about MBS. Of course, whatever negative light Khashoggi's journalism cast the Saudi's in has now completely gone away and the world now thinks of MBS as a wonderful chap again.
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  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    SantaClaus said:

    Rizzo said:

    Ergogan's statement pretty short on details after promising to tell all. Does he have evidence or is he bluffing?

    Or is he using the information to blackmail some of the richest people on the planet. The Saudi's would clearly pay billions of dollars to make this go away.

    BTW what's the top theory as to why he was killed? Was it solely down to personal enmity from the crown prince or did Khashoggi have information about the Saudi's that was so explosive that he had to die? (Just wondering if anyone's seen any credible theories?)
    If he had explosive info, itd be out there already, I believe it's just a case of The Crown Prince accepting zero criticism.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,015
    Erdogan didn't exactly reveal much we didn't already know. And no mention of any audio tapes of the killing either.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    I doubt we'll ever get the full story.
  • WelshAddick
    WelshAddick Posts: 1,321
    Body found
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    edited October 2018
    They ought to be able to work out how he was killed then.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    They ought to be able to work out how he was killed then.

    Depends whose body it is?
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    Not seen anything yet about the find. Source?
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    Rizzo said:

    Not seen anything yet about the find. Source?

    https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Rizzo said:

    Not seen anything yet about the find. Source?

    https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202
    Horrific.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Rizzo said:

    Not seen anything yet about the find. Source?

    https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202https://news.sky.com/story/sky-sources-jamal-khashoggis-body-parts-found-11533202
    Horrific.
    The Consul-General's got a lot to answer for. Wonder if he'll have a mysterious accident soon?

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