The influence of the EU on Britain.
Comments
-
Not from Danny Dyer...hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He seems to have escaped any blame.bobmunro said:
If there is chaos that doesn't subside and the worst predictions of 'project fear' are realised then ultimately the blame will go all the way back to where it belongs - Cameron.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
How long can the leave camp blame the EU before it dawns on them their own politicians are a pile of s***. I'm assuming once we've left the EU we'll still be blaming it for the next 50 years or so.bobmunro said:
That's an easy one - the Leave camp will blame the EU and the Remain camp will blame UK politicians.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:If we drop out of the EU with no deal and there is chaos I'm curious who is going to get the blame for it all.
If Macron decides to block imports from France then could someone explain how we'll get round this.
We seem to be in the midst of a slow motion car crash yet none of our useless politicians want to do anything about it.
If there is chaos at the ports and it's anywhere near as bad as predicted I'm assuming Bojo and Farage will sort it out?
0 -
Or me!!Algarveaddick said:
Not from Danny Dyer...hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He seems to have escaped any blame.bobmunro said:
If there is chaos that doesn't subside and the worst predictions of 'project fear' are realised then ultimately the blame will go all the way back to where it belongs - Cameron.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
How long can the leave camp blame the EU before it dawns on them their own politicians are a pile of s***. I'm assuming once we've left the EU we'll still be blaming it for the next 50 years or so.bobmunro said:
That's an easy one - the Leave camp will blame the EU and the Remain camp will blame UK politicians.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:If we drop out of the EU with no deal and there is chaos I'm curious who is going to get the blame for it all.
If Macron decides to block imports from France then could someone explain how we'll get round this.
We seem to be in the midst of a slow motion car crash yet none of our useless politicians want to do anything about it.
If there is chaos at the ports and it's anywhere near as bad as predicted I'm assuming Bojo and Farage will sort it out?2 -
or me0
-
BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.3 -
I'm really hoping this is all project fear - massive potential impact on food, medicine, manufacturing etc....ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.0 -
... and all self-inflicted.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm really hoping this is all project fear - massive potential impact on food, medicine, manufacturing etc....ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.0 -
and when on 1 April there is little or no crisis, as I believe it won't as a transition deal will be made, this will be hailed by some as proving that Brexit is all fine. "look, no queues or shortages" as if the promise on the side of the bus was "it won't be a total meltdown"bobmunro said:
... and all self-inflicted.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm really hoping this is all project fear - massive potential impact on food, medicine, manufacturing etc....ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.2 -
I sincerely hope we have a deal.Henry Irving said:
and when on 1 April there is little or no crisis, as I believe it won't as a transition deal will be made, this will be hailed by some as proving that Brexit is all fine. "look, no queues or shortages" as if the promise on the side of the bus was "it won't be a total meltdown"bobmunro said:
... and all self-inflicted.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm really hoping this is all project fear - massive potential impact on food, medicine, manufacturing etc....ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.0 -
I really hope that the public aren't being told this because there is genuine belief that it's not necessary, as opposed to being because they know the massive public outcry could bring the whole Brexit house of cards tumbling down. I hope, but I have no faith.ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.
This whole situation is absolutely crazy, we could be on the verge of a stockpiling/rationing situation not seen since WW2, and still some Brexit politicians are saying how wonderful it's going to be.1 -
May has been pursuing a strategy of like it or lump it for sometime now. She and her advisors do not envisage a no deal Brexit since they calculate that the Parliament arithmetic will not allow and nobody would be that stupid! So what's her alternative? Some kinda Canada FTA in the future, with a Customs Union deal agreed up front, albeit dressed up as a back stop and implementation period.ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.
The Alt-Right ERG and Farage are screaming blue murder and will continue to do so but perhaps they are irrelevant. The only thing which keeps them alive is the Tory Party's insistance on maintaining their parasitic existence - and the relationship is perhaps symbiotic for the Tories only cling onto power through tolerating this nonsense.
Higher up you and others ask "what happens next?"
May brings back a deal and attempts to ram it through Parliament. She will either be successful just before / after Christmas OR if she fails - what then happens? Will leave it to professional commentators to estimate the odds of failure and the arithmentic closer to the time but what we do know is that failure may well trigger a leadership challenge and/or a referendum OR a general election.
In short May has run out of road, hit a brick wall and people are becoming more and more aware of the impications of going over the cliff edge in terms of JIT, travel, drugs and much of everyday life. Add in a collapse of FDI and a shortage of trained nurses and other qualified immigrants and we will start to see the real impact of this entirely xenophobic and misleading agenda.
People use the term populist in pejorative terms but political leaders need to inspire and motivate the electorate - for ten years since the crash the centre left and centre right have singularly failed to do this across Western democracies. These post war traditions are both down 10% and the winners are the Alt-right, the populist left as well as the greens.
So what happens next is essentially a game of "chicken" whereby the various groupings attempt to force a change in the outcome or even the whole dynamics (via an election). Some might suggest that Labour is negligent or opportunist in "allowing" this to happen. However they cannot change the course of events right now and simply have to await the collapse of the government. "It is what it is" and nothing much is different to what was expected at the beginning of the year. May has arrived at the point where she has to agree and then present a deal, but what are the chances that this will get the nod?
The plane is losing altitude and all the Brexiteers can do is shout "faster" or "aim for the atlantic". There is still time for a soft landing... just!
NB a transition simply defers the day of reckoning by two to three years. Perhaps the country will wake up and ask the Brexiteers to actually deliver a full prospectus on life without the EU/EEA. We have seen peak UKIP and peak ERG. The period after we leave might be a chance for remain and BINO supporters to regroup and back sensible options in the polls. Alternatively rational discussion might be drowned out by blame and noise?0 - Sponsored links:
-
I think that’s a valid comment but it should be looked at in the light of it actually being the government doing the asking here. This is not some agenda driven organisation applying pressure. It’s the government of this country so cannot be viewed as part of any project. Fear or otherwise.Henry Irving said:
and when on 1 April there is little or no crisis, as I believe it won't as a transition deal will be made, this will be hailed by some as proving that Brexit is all fine. "look, no queues or shortages" as if the promise on the side of the bus was "it won't be a total meltdown"bobmunro said:
... and all self-inflicted.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm really hoping this is all project fear - massive potential impact on food, medicine, manufacturing etc....ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.
0 -
Tbf nobody has a clue what's going to happen and that is what is so worrying at this late stage. The complacency of our politicians has shocked me ....seriously_red said:
May has been pursuing a strategy of like it or lump it for sometime now. Her and her advisors do not envisage a no deal Brexit since they calculate that Parliament arithmetic will not allow and nobody would be that stupid. So what's her alternative? Some kinda Canada FTA in the future but with a Customs Union deal agreed up front, albeit dressed up as a back stop and implementation period.ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.
The Alt-Right ERG and Farage are screaming blue murder and will continue to do so but they are irrelevant. The only thing which keeps them alive is the Tory Parties insistance on maintaining their parasitic existence - and the relationship is almost symbiotic for the Tories only cling onto power through tolerating this nonsense.
Higher up you and others ask "what happens next?"
May brings back a deal and attempts to ram it through Parliament. She will either be successful just before / after Christmas OR if she fails what then happens? Will leave it to professional commentators to estimate the odds of failure and the aritmentic closer to the time but what we do know is that failure may well trigger a leadership challenge and/or a referendum OR a general election.
In short May has run out of road, hit a brick wall and people are becoming more and more aware of the impications of going over the cliff edge in terms of JIT, travel, drugs and much of everyday life. Add in a collapse of FDI and a shortage of trained nurses and other qualified immigrants and we will start to see the real impact of this entirely xenophobic and misleading agenda.
Alternatively one might gain perspective by looking across at Rome or Washington where the Alt-Right are also pursuing their disruptive agendas. Some talk of basket cases, especially regarding Italy but theirs is a carefully calculated play to overcome austerity and capitalise on the caution of the centre left PD. It's completely unclear as to whether the debt:GDP ratio will fall or climb in 2019 - will the deficit outrun growth plus inflation???
Most importantly their coalition are mainly ignoring structural reforms but going big on some tax cuts and a universal basic income. What I'm trying to say is that some on here castigate Labour for being too radical and Corbyn for being Corbyn. What we need to recognise is that not only was Corbyn elected and re-elected by hundreds of thousands, but his predecessors could not be distinguished from the neoliberal tradition of the last 30 years.
People use the term populist in pejorative terms but political leaders need to inspire and motivate the electorate - for ten years since the crash the centre left and centre right have singularly failed to do this across Western democracies. Both post war raditions are down 10% (each) and the winners are the Alt-right, the populist left as well as the greens.
So what happens next is essentially a game of "chicken" whereby the various groups attempt to force a change in the outcome or even the whole dynamics (via an election). As Bow would state, "it is what it is" and nothing much is different to what was expected at the beginning of the year. May has arrived at the point where she has to agree and then present a deal, but what are the chances that will get the nod?0 -
We are certainly making our way to the cliff edge. Perhaps it's actually an opportunity to examine the leave prospectus before walking back to a safer path? Perhaps more of the electorate need to examine the options? Certainly since 2016 the Tory/UKIP share of the vote has dropped 10% which has opened up the possibility of another way.randy andy said:
I really hope that the public aren't being told this because there is genuine belief that it's not necessary, as opposed to being because they know the massive public outcry could bring the whole Brexit house of cards tumbling down. I hope, but I have no faith.ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.
This whole situation is absolutely crazy, we could be on the verge of a stockpiling/rationing situation not seen since WW2, and still some Brexit politicians are saying how wonderful it's going to be.0 -
Alt-Right according to Wiki is a "loosely connected and somewhat ill-defined grouping of white supremacists/white nationalists, neo-Nazis, neo-fascists, neo-Confederates, Holocaust deniers, and other far-right fringe hate groups."
I don't think the ERG can be seriously put under those definitions. Euroskepticism does not equal neo Nazism0 -
A lot of frightening leaks over the past few days:-
Rise in criminal activity expected if no deal.
Rise in Smuggling expected at the border.
Stockpiling of food and medicines in the event of no deal.
Really hoping that in the absence of anything official from No.10 it's planted stories to drive up support of the inevitable NI Backstop May will agree to in order to get a deal done.0 -
May agreeing anything is far from getting it agreed by other interested parties though.SurvivaloftheFittest said:A lot of frightening leaks over the past few days:-
Rise in criminal activity expected if no deal.
Rise in Smuggling expected at the border.
Stockpiling of food and medicines in the event of no deal.
Really hoping that in the absence of anything official from No.10 it's planted stories to drive up support of the inevitable NI Backstop May will agree to in order to get a deal done.
1 -
This.ShootersHillGuru said:
May agreeing anything is far from getting it agreed by other interested parties though.SurvivaloftheFittest said:A lot of frightening leaks over the past few days:-
Rise in criminal activity expected if no deal.
Rise in Smuggling expected at the border.
Stockpiling of food and medicines in the event of no deal.
Really hoping that in the absence of anything official from No.10 it's planted stories to drive up support of the inevitable NI Backstop May will agree to in order to get a deal done.
There is no way the DUP would sanction the back stop and any deal that included a border in the Irish Sea would not get through parliament in my opinion.1 -
April Fools!Henry Irving said:
and when on 1 April there is little or no crisis, as I believe it won't as a transition deal will be made, this will be hailed by some as proving that Brexit is all fine. "look, no queues or shortages" as if the promise on the side of the bus was "it won't be a total meltdown"bobmunro said:
... and all self-inflicted.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I'm really hoping this is all project fear - massive potential impact on food, medicine, manufacturing etc....ShootersHillGuru said:BBC reporting that the government has asked drug distribution firms to start stockpiling a six week supply of drugs in preparation should there be a no deal Brexit. Patients are not being asked to do likewise “yet” !!!!
Just as well really. Certainly my GP surgery won’t issue a repeat prescription until the previous supply is about to run out. How on earth are people, pharmacies and doctors supposed to manage what in effect amounts be a doubling of prescribing.
The government has been absolutely useless and negligent in handling these trifling matters that have been foretold by project fear for two and a half years.
0 -
Quite agree, which is why I think we're seeing the leaks and the renewed 'project fear' in more real terms. The tone seems to have shifted to any deal is better than no deal over the last few days.ShootersHillGuru said:
May agreeing anything is far from getting it agreed by other interested parties though.SurvivaloftheFittest said:A lot of frightening leaks over the past few days:-
Rise in criminal activity expected if no deal.
Rise in Smuggling expected at the border.
Stockpiling of food and medicines in the event of no deal.
Really hoping that in the absence of anything official from No.10 it's planted stories to drive up support of the inevitable NI Backstop May will agree to in order to get a deal done.0 -
I have it on very good authority that no deal is better than a bad deal.SurvivaloftheFittest said:
Quite agree, which is why I think we're seeing the leaks and the renewed 'project fear' in more real terms. The tone seems to have shifted to any deal is better than no deal over the last few days.ShootersHillGuru said:
May agreeing anything is far from getting it agreed by other interested parties though.SurvivaloftheFittest said:A lot of frightening leaks over the past few days:-
Rise in criminal activity expected if no deal.
Rise in Smuggling expected at the border.
Stockpiling of food and medicines in the event of no deal.
Really hoping that in the absence of anything official from No.10 it's planted stories to drive up support of the inevitable NI Backstop May will agree to in order to get a deal done.
6 - Sponsored links:
-
You've been speaking to JRM.....ShootersHillGuru said:
I have it on very good authority that no deal is better than a bad deal.SurvivaloftheFittest said:
Quite agree, which is why I think we're seeing the leaks and the renewed 'project fear' in more real terms. The tone seems to have shifted to any deal is better than no deal over the last few days.ShootersHillGuru said:
May agreeing anything is far from getting it agreed by other interested parties though.SurvivaloftheFittest said:A lot of frightening leaks over the past few days:-
Rise in criminal activity expected if no deal.
Rise in Smuggling expected at the border.
Stockpiling of food and medicines in the event of no deal.
Really hoping that in the absence of anything official from No.10 it's planted stories to drive up support of the inevitable NI Backstop May will agree to in order to get a deal done.0 -
Mrs May's meeting with the 1922 Committee this evening could prove interesting.
If she is unable to carry the room, expect to see things get a bit more worrying with regards to the Withdrawal Agreement (I'm already worried enough, as there seems to be no understanding of what the EU27 mean by a backstop, so that the Government can suggest a possible extension of a transition period as a replacement for a essential requirement for an exit deal, without which there will be no transition).0 -
Who to blame? You want all 17.4 million names?!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:If we drop out of the EU with no deal and there is chaos I'm curious who is going to get the blame for it all.
If Macron decides to block imports from France then could someone explain how we'll get round this.
We seem to be in the midst of a slow motion car crash yet none of our useless politicians want to do anything about it.
2 -
0
-
If Jon Stone isn't known as "Saint" by all his friends, there should be a stewards enquiry...aliwibble said:We are so, so screwed...
1 -
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45950377
Good to see Brexit fan James Dyson doing his bit for post Brexit Britain by planning to manufacture his new electric car in Singapore!
I reckon he should bide his time as there will be plenty of vacant car assembly plants and unemployed operatives needing a job in the U.K. fairly soon.5 -
Yes but the EU has just done a trade deal with Singapore.Chaz Hill said:https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45950377
Good to see Brexit fan James Dyson doing his bit for post Brexit Britain by planning to manufacture his new electric car in Singapore!
I reckon he should bide his time as there will be plenty of vacant car assembly plants and unemployed operatives needing a job in the U.K. fairly soon.
He's a twenty four carat **** but he aint stupid.3 -
Indeed. Another ‘Do as I say not as I do’ merchant. Plenty of those on the Brexit side.bobmunro said:
Yes but the EU has just done a trade deal with Singapore.Chaz Hill said:https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45950377
Good to see Brexit fan James Dyson doing his bit for post Brexit Britain by planning to manufacture his new electric car in Singapore!
I reckon he should bide his time as there will be plenty of vacant car assembly plants and unemployed operatives needing a job in the U.K. fairly soon.
He's a twenty four carat **** but he aint stupid.1 -
I am absolutely stunned by what I've just witnessed on BBC Look North where their regional news anchor claimed that a no-deal Brexit would be a good thing because chaos at Dover would provide opportunities for ports like Hull and Immingham.
Is this the best that we can hope for under Brexit, and his the BBC's best stab at balanced reporting? Sometimes it feels like the world has gone completely mad.1 -
After March, if we were to decide that this was all a very silly idea, can we simply stop the process once we are in the implementation period or would we effectively have to apply to rejoin the EU?0
