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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • That is a somewhat encouraging thought, @Chizz, and I suppose someone will offer these up as precedents. However a guy on Twitter has nailed the issue far better than I could hope to do...

  • Craig Mackinlay in trouble for fiddling expenses and hiring
    that Tory Stooge Al Murray!
  • Craig Mackinlay in trouble for fiddling expenses and hiring
    that Tory Stooge Al Murray!

    As my good mate Chippy would say, whose he?

  • Chizz said:
    Chizz said:
    But Prague says there are no elites and even if there were they do not support Remain. Now I am really confused.
  • As my good mate Chippy would say, whose he?

    The pub landlord?
  • Craig Mackinlay in trouble for fiddling expenses and hiring
    that Tory Stooge Al Murray!

    He hired Al Murray? You got a link for that?
  • Ha.

    The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
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  • Chizz said:

    There are several incidents of individuals suspected of crime and under investigation being interviewed on television. Not, perhaps, in the same circumstances as Banks, ie someone named and under investigation of serious crime, booked for a set-piece interview. But it's interesting to see how well it ended up for each of them.

    Ian Huntley was interviewed a number of times on tv after he had been identified as a suspect. Jimmy Savile was interviewed about specific rumours that were in the public domain by both Andrew Neill and Louis Theroux (and others). Stuart Hall was quizzed on BBC Radio. Jonathan Aitkin was allowed free reign to announce his fight, using "the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of traditional British fair play". Harold Shipman was interviewed on tv prior to his arrest, but a long time after he has been named as a suspect. Conrad Black was no stranger to tv studios while fighting and appealing charges.

    Arron Banks is in interesting company.
    Good knowledge/research, Chizz. Thank you.
  • Stig said:

    That is the first time that I've ever seen Nornish respond with anything but facts and logic, and I really can't say I blame him on the back of that post. Quite incredible stuff from Golfie.

    With the exception of Stonemuse who struggles on stoically against a total wave of argument and does his best to present a fact based case for Brexit, the paucity of thought from the Brexiteers is astounding. It's feels like the logical argument has been won over a hundred times and yet those that want to leave are still unshakeable in their belief that it's still the right thing to do. I am as amazed as I am saddened by this. What a mess Cameron has created.
    I've never said that it is still the right thing to do......just that it is/was what I want to do. I do not WANT to be part of the EU.....whether it is the right or best thing to do is a different matter entirely.

    Its all rather academic now anyway, seeing as any deal struck will not see us fulfil Brexit as described by TM in her Mansion House speech. Leo Vradkar has seen to that, as he stated earlier today.

  • Ha.

    The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.

    Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.

    No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
  • Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.

    No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
    I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!

    I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...

  • I've never said that it is still the right thing to do......just that it is/was what I want to do. I do not WANT to be part of the EU.....whether it is the right or best thing to do is a different matter entirely.

    Its all rather academic now anyway, seeing as any deal struck will not see us fulfil Brexit as described by TM in her Mansion House speech. Leo Vradkar has seen to that, as he stated earlier today.

    You are wrong when you say Vradkar has undermined the Mansion House vision. Firstly because I watched the whole speech live and it did not contain any vision expressed in practical terms. Not did her other speeches, indeed on Ireland she merely expressed her frequently repeated mantra about 'frictionless as possible'.
    Secondly because Vradkar is simply expressing Irish concerns about the usual British duplicity and how such a bad faith approach is straining Anglo-Irish relations.
  • I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!

    I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...

    Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
  • I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!

    I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...

    Has that stopped you before ;0))

  • Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
    It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
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  • Stig said:

    It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
    Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
  • Let’s hope that Mr. Banks gets a soap on a rope for Christmas. He might need it with any luck.
  • Did my ears deceive me or did Banks just say he'd now vote Remain???

    Wtf!
  • Did he just say that 'not wholly untransparent' means 'transparent'. Add that to the brexit dictionary
  • Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
    Tell that to Cressida Dick.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
  • Stig said:

    Tell that to Cressida Dick.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
    Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?
  • Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
    You are aware are you that what the Met Police say they're investigating is evidence of possible anti-semitism contained in a document compiled by the Labour Party?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/met-police-opens-criminal-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism-claims
  • Any investigation into anti semitism in the Labour party (or racism in general, in any party) is very important, but isn't relevant to the subject of Brexit.
  • micks1950 said:

    You are aware are you that what the Met Police say they're investigating is evidence of possible anti-semitism contained in a document compiled by the Labour Party?:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/met-police-opens-criminal-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism-claims
    Never let the truth get in the way of something you read on social media from a right wing website...
  • Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?
    Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.
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