The influence of the EU on Britain.
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Fair play, sticking to her guns unlike some of the gutless people in the party3
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Called it. A nothing speech and a failure to acknowledge that she has zero support.2
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WTF1
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She just doesn't get it.
She is carrying on regardless of the fact that the house of commons will never support this deal.
She is even more deluded than Roland.2 -
But does it have an EU postcode?Chaz Hill said:
But they compete in the Eurovision Song Contest. So....smudge7946 said:
Israel isn't in the EUNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).0 -
TM is going to see this through & take on any leadership challenge.0
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Technically no but.....😉MountsfieldPark said:
But does it have an EU postcode?Chaz Hill said:
But they compete in the Eurovision Song Contest. So....smudge7946 said:
Israel isn't in the EUNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).1 -
Don't think Theresa is answering the same questions that are being asked.2
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She’s calling her backbenches bluff. A “bloody difficult woman” indeed.2
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"am I going to see this through? Yes."0
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Ending on a cricket anecdote - strong!1
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No second referendum.0
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I'm not sure whether May is right to proceed or not.
But I bloody admire her fighting for what she believes is right for this country, against sniping from all sides.
It's like Rorke's Drift.3 -
We weren't staying in the Customs Union either according to her so don't hold your breath.....Covered End said:No second referendum.
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A lot of common sense there from Ken Clarke. In short he said she might just as well tell the hard Brexiteers to ‘do one’ and go for a softer Brexit. She would stand more chance of getting that through a parliamentary vote.7
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smudge7946 said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships?ampNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
What both articles highlight is that France, which equates to "the French" did, whatever their personal views, seek to assist the UK.smudge7946 said:
Some French technicians, at the same time, worked to assist the Argentinian Junta, but that was clearly them acting as individuals and on their own initiative.
If you are going to conflate such a small group with an entire nation, you might as well argue (with due acknowledgement of Godwin's Law) that because some British people were or are pro-Nazi or pro-Stalin, that all British people were or are Nazis or Stalinists.
But you know, hey, reading comprehension and all that...5 -
Clarke reckons she will win a vote of confidence.1
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And added that it would result in a major embarrassment to the Tory party and the hardliners in particular if they went for it and lost.Covered End said:Clarke reckons she will win a vote of confidence.
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Ken Clarke saying May will win any vote of confidence.
Always talks sense even if he is a jazz fan. Can't we have him as PM?4 -
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smudge7946 said:
Israel isn't in the EUNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
Merely comparing the reactions of two countries that many consider to be allies of the UK, and with whom the rip-roaring free-wheeling post-Brexit UK will wish to trade closely, with that of the then EEC (all of it), that the same people believe should be considered enemies, hell-bent on punishing the UK for having the temerity (if not necessarily the statesmanship) to leave, bravely striking out, like the Scott Antarctic Expedition, sure that it will win against the pesky (if better equipped) foreigners.smudge7946 said:Neither is USA.
I think that it is worthwhile making the contrast, because I think it's a good thing to recognise the extent to which the EEC/EC/EU has fostered a sense of solidarity amongst nations that might not otherwise (often quite violently) agree.
But thank you for your insight, I might have gone to my grave without the knowledge you have so kindly shared.5 -
A Pyrrhic victory, she won’t have the votes to get the deal through parliament. Two choices : election or people’s vote can break that deadlockCovered End said:Clarke reckons she will win a vote of confidence.
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You seem to be listening 10 minutes behind.Henry Irving said:Ken Clarke saying May will win any vote of confidence.
Always talks sense even if he is a jazz fan. Can't we have him as PM?0 -
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And Ian Botham once deliberately ran him out because he didn't like the way he was playing. There's anu number of Tories who might run her out (if they have the balls).WSS said:
Ironic that a few people are carrying out a boycott on her leadershipse9addick said:Ending on a cricket anecdote - strong!
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Radio 5?Covered End said:
You seem to be listening 10 minutes behind.Henry Irving said:Ken Clarke saying May will win any vote of confidence.
Always talks sense even if he is a jazz fan. Can't we have him as PM?0 -
I point the finger at the government of the day who sleepwalked into that conflict while at the same time was was making plans to reduce our navy’s size and ability to defend our dependencies. A inconvenient truth that gets forgotten when we had such fine win that killed hundreds, maimed hundreds and caused and everlasting bad feelings on many fronts.smudge7946 said:
Israel isn't in the EUNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
Every prime minister seems to want to be remembered by a conflict, I wonder what T May’s will be?4 -
@NornIrishAddick DFTTNornIrishAddick said:smudge7946 said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships?ampNornIrishAddick said:
As others have said, your statement about the French is incorrect. Your ire might be more reasonably directed against the stance taken by Israel, https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/israel-sold-weapons-to-argentina-at-height-of-falklands-war-reve/, and the Israeli decision to provide support to the Argentinian Junta during the conflict probably did cost British lives.smudge7946 said:
Except in 1982. The Falklands conflict was the only deployment of exclusively EU millitary. The French assisted the Argentines and 100sof British soldiers died as a result.bobmunro said:
Serious food for thought? Bollox.Jensenwasclass said:Quote from 'Shooters Hill Addick'
With the exception of Rees-Mogg and equally lunatic brexiters. A no deal Brexit is universally condemned
Read this para from yesterdays 'left wing' Daily Mirror
Letters Page:
'Millions of men died to give this countrt freedom and democracy to rule ourselves.
so why can't MPs and the public get behind the PM and get us out of one
of the most corrupt organistions in the world, ie the EU'
Serious food for thought!
Millions of men from many nations fought and won against tyranny and facism. The founding fathers of the EU had as one of their overiding ambitions to avoid a repeat of that, and for 73 years Europe, certainly western Europe, has been at peace.
The Irish maintained trading relations with the enemy.
With regard to Ireland, as a member of the EEC, which implemented wide-ranging sanctions against Argentina, blocking all Argentinian exports to the EEC, for invading the Falklands (https://nytimes.com/1982/04/11/world/europeans-ending-argentine-imports-in-falkland-crisis.html) in contrast to the USA's more limited reaction (https://nytimes.com/1982/05/01/us/us-sides-with-britian-falkland-crisis-ordering-sanctions-against-argentines.html), any ongoing trade will only have been what the sanctions regime will have allowed.
And, as someone who cares passionately about the Falkland Islands, not doubt you support their wish for the UK to remain in the Single Market (https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-falklands-islands-single-market-trade-eu-fishing-loligo-squid-government-a8347696.html).
What both articles highlight is that France, which equates to "the French" did, whatever their personal views, seek to assist the UK.smudge7946 said:
Some French technicians, at the same time, worked to assist the Argentinian Junta, but that was clearly them acting as individuals and on their own initiative.
If you are going to conflate such a small group with an entire nation, you might as well argue (with due acknowledgement of Godwin's Law) that because some British people were or are pro-Nazi or pro-Stalin, that all British people were or are Nazis or Stalinists.
But you know, hey, reading comprehension and all that...1 -
Can Charlton hire the guy who's been shouting "no brexit" all day to get the singing going in the Covered End and at away game.
Annoying sod but if we teach him so new songs.7
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