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The influence of the EU on Britain.

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  • Fiiish said:

    Your comment was a troll comment telling me to disappear.

    You are a sad little troll. Get lost.
    At least this is nicer than the message you just sent me calling me a see you next Tuesday. Lovely chap.
  • So Mr Randy :smile: , you still haven't explained how the Guardian article proves JRM and Leadsom, will profit financially from Brexit.

    Once again for clarity, I'm not disputing your assertion, or trying to be awkward.
    It's just that the Guardian article provides no evidence to me.
    Yes they have overseas/offshore business, but that in itself doesn't prove they stand to profit.
    I'm quite sure someone can explain, I'm just wanting to understand these "assertions".
    No worries, take a bit of hunting to find an article with actual detail on how JRM will.profit, rather than just the assertion he will.

    Try this one:
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/amp/
  • I agree SHG, particularly if they change some of the 7 page ‘political intent’ wording. The ERG and co. are in severe danger of shooting themselves in the foot and their credibility with the public is nowhere near as high as they would like to believe it is.

    I would still put her chance of getting the deal through the commons at less than 50%. She may well get the public on her side but I still can’t see how she’ll get the numbers. Maybe the DUP will have a change of heart but I can’t see the JRM crowd changing their minds. That would leave her relying on some Labour centrists and/or some SNP votes - at this stage it doesn’t seem likely but maybe it could change.

    Can’t see there being a further referendum and, even less probably a general election so, when push comes to shove, how many MPs will vote this down preferring a no deal WTO Brexit?

    Maybe the sentiment, come the vote, will be ‘we are where we are and this is better than no deal. Besides which it’s only a placeholder for the full EU trade deal’.

    My ideal would be another vote but, failing that, I’d go along with this hopefully paving the way for a Norway style agreement. Wouldn’t please the hard brexiteers but how many of them truly are there? Certainly less than 52% and probably (and importantly) less than 50%.

    When threatened with the possibility of losing their seats, the minds of many Tory backbenchers will become refocused. May will attempt to buy off the DUP with promises but it’s hard to see it working without a shift by the EU which won’t happen. Labour will three line whip but Hoey, Field and a few others will probably vote with the government. Scottish Tories will fall into line and SNP will vote against as will Lib Dem’s, Greens and Wales.

    It’s going to be fagpaper thin with all still to play for. Can’t see 48 letters to be honest. ERG will be seriously damaged if they don’t hit the mark. All their cred will be shot. Boris is being worryingly quiet.

  • At least this is nicer than the message you just sent me calling me a see you next Tuesday. Lovely chap.
    ...disappointed I'm not the only one tbh.....
  • When threatened with the possibility of losing their seats, the minds of many Tory backbenchers will become refocused. May will attempt to buy off the DUP with promises but it’s hard to see it working without a shift by the EU which won’t happen. Labour will three line whip but Hoey, Field and a few others will probably vote with the government. Scottish Tories will fall into line and SNP will vote against as will Lib Dem’s, Greens and Wales.

    It’s going to be fagpaper thin with all still to play for. Can’t see 48 letters to be honest. ERG will be seriously damaged if they don’t hit the mark. All their cred will be shot. Boris is being worryingly quiet.

    "All their cred". Love it!
  • When threatened with the possibility of losing their seats, the minds of many Tory backbenchers will become refocused. May will attempt to buy off the DUP with promises but it’s hard to see it working without a shift by the EU which won’t happen. Labour will three line whip but Hoey, Field and a few others will probably vote with the government. Scottish Tories will fall into line and SNP will vote against as will Lib Dem’s, Greens and Wales.

    It’s going to be fagpaper thin with all still to play for. Can’t see 48 letters to be honest. ERG will be seriously damaged if they don’t hit the mark. All their cred will be shot. Boris is being worryingly quiet.

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/17/boris-johnson-and-nigel-farage-spotted-in-swanky-restaurant-together-amid-brexit-chaos-8149753/

    Johnson looking out for himself as usual. He’ll do a deal with anyone if it’s to his own interest.
  • cabbles said:

    I’ve just removed it
    Bloody favouritism from @cabbles and @Stig
  • When threatened with the possibility of losing their seats, the minds of many Tory backbenchers will become refocused. May will attempt to buy off the DUP with promises but it’s hard to see it working without a shift by the EU which won’t happen. Labour will three line whip but Hoey, Field and a few others will probably vote with the government. Scottish Tories will fall into line and SNP will vote against as will Lib Dem’s, Greens and Wales.

    It’s going to be fagpaper thin with all still to play for. Can’t see 48 letters to be honest. ERG will be seriously damaged if they don’t hit the mark. All their cred will be shot. Boris is being worryingly quiet.

    Unfortunately that is one of the possible outcomes I see. There are other possibilities though, anything could happen.
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    At least this is nicer than the message you just sent me calling me a see you next Tuesday. Lovely chap.
    Cabbles can you remove this one as well please ?
    Plus all the other one he's flagged in the last hour, including the one you've already removed. There are 4 now.
    Also, can you block him sending me abusive posts ?
  • No worries, take a bit of hunting to find an article with actual detail on how JRM will.profit, rather than just the assertion he will.

    Try this one:
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/amp/
    Thanks randy andy. I understand now.
    It's an assumed profit that he will make as he's a backer/owner of an emerging markets company.
    If we do less business with the EU, we will do more business with emerging markets.
  • This is exceptional writing and very honest on the English in particular

    ‘if England is not an imperial power, it must be the only other thing it can be: a colony’. Not quite, but almost. Fintan O'Toole on the anxieties of British national sovereignty

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/16/brexit-paranoid-fantasy-fintan-otoole
  • Chizz said:

    Oh, Nadine!

    I know we're not supposed to make fun of those less fortunate than ourselves - and, let's face it, you have to be very unfortunate indeed to be as stupid Nadine Dorries - but, really? She's complaining that the deal being offered is no good because we will end up with no MEPs? What planet is this woman on?

    Is this real? She's arguing to remain??????????????????
  • edited November 2018
    Sunday Express reckons Davis & Johnson deciding amongst themselves who should be next PM and Mogg to be Chancellor.
    WTF. How do I get out of here if the borders are closed by the army?
    :neutral:
  • Chaz Hill said:

    Sunday Express reckons Davis & Johnson deciding amongst themselves who should be next PM and Mogg to be Chancellor.
    WTF. How do I get out of here if the borders are closed by the army?
    :neutral:

    The poor will register at assembly centres, bring one suitcase and all your valuables.
  • Daily Express pushing for the word gullible to be removed from dictionary during snowmageddon next week.
  • Daily Express pushing for the word gullible to be removed from dictionary during snowmageddon next week.

    Well we know there are 17m of them about 😉
  • Prague
    Did you join the Prague protests?
    (I saw the headings and thought you'd been upsetting loads of people)
    ;-)

    :-)

    Of course, mate, I am always there on Nov 17. My wife was one of those students who got whacked with a truncheon ( and didn't know how much worse it might get) so I always go, to remind myself of how it became possible that I happily live here.

    The Czechs bring brilliant, sophisticated humour to their protests. However, my Swedish buddy was here with us too, and he made one prescient remark. "Where is the politician who can really provide the leadership for these people?". He was thinking about this country specifically but if you take "these people" as a bloc of reasonable "centrist" outward looking well educated voters, the question resonates right across Europe, and to the States.
  • - when the Argie junta came to power and started banging on about the Falklands, Thatcher was trailing badly in the polls. I mean, badly, and quite deservedly.

    - it didn't take much "intelligence" to confirm that the threat to the Falklands was real. Our navy didn't have much else on at the time. So a few manoueuvres with a destroyer or two would have been more than enough to deter those clowns in Buenos Aires. But no. Thatcher chose not to do that. So the clowns thought they had carte blanche to go for it.

    - Then we sent the armada. Hundreds of our armed forces lost their lives. Thatcher's poll ratings reversed, and the rest is history.

    And, while I haven't thought about it this way up until now, that is probably the fundamental reason why I despise most Tory politicians.


    This is one of the most absurd things I've read on here. No wonder you're living in Europe as you plainly hate being British.

    Try watching The Falklands Play....banned by the BBC for a number of years.
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  • This is one of the most absurd things I've read on here. No wonder you're living in Europe as you plainly hate being British.

    Try watching The Falklands Play....banned by the BBC for a number of years.
    You couldn't make it up :neutral:
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    Incidentally I was born in Erith, I wonder if that makes me 'British'.
    Or is such a thing is a geographical accident of birth.
  • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6402059/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-5million-complains-struggling-make-ends-meet.html

    Oh dear. Moggie nearly on his uppers. Needs to get on with this ‘hard brexit’ to replenish the coffers!
  • Let's hope Andrew Marr give Raab as hard a time as he's just given Shami Chakrabarti...
  • Chaz Hill said:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6402059/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-5million-complains-struggling-make-ends-meet.html

    Oh dear. Moggie nearly on his uppers. Needs to get on with this ‘hard brexit’ to replenish the coffers!

    Perhaps Bliar could fish down the back of his sofa for a few million he could chuck Moggies way? ;-)
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