The influence of the EU on Britain.
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I think Andrew Marr is doing a pretty good job of showing him up for the self serving, back stabbing prick that he is. 😊Bournemouth Addick said:Let's hope Andrew Marr give Raab as hard a time as he's just given Shami Chakrabarti...
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I thought Chakrabarti gave Marr some back with interest when she simply turned his tone back on him and upset him.1
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Chaz Hill said:
I think Andrew Marr is doing a pretty good job of showing him up for the self serving, back stabbing prick that he is. 😊</blockquote 'dBournemouth Addick said:Let's hope Andrew Marr give Raab as hard a time as he's just given Shami Chakrabarti...
Hmm...I'd have prefered him to show him the video of him saying no one is talking about leaving the single market but I'm sure he'd still have his stock response lined up (as per the one about him not realising how important our Dover/Calais route is).1 -
Jeremy Corbyn told Sky News a second EU referendum was an "option for the future, but not an option for today".
Labour's leader said he didn't know what question would feature in a referendum.
Asked how he would vote today if he could, he said: "I don't know."2 -
It is the hope that kills you.Bournemouth Addick said:Let's hope Andrew Marr give Raab as hard a time as he's just given Shami Chakrabarti...
Gave a virtual free ride to Rabb in complete contrast to both the Shami Chakrabarti and Nicola Sturgeon. So the party that is at least 95% responsible for Brexit gets let off.0 -
Playing a long gamestonemuse said:Jeremy Corbyn told Sky News a second EU referendum was an "option for the future, but not an option for today".
Labour's leader said he didn't know what question would feature in a referendum.
Asked how he would vote today if he could, he said: "I don't know."
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Master plan in action, only blairites cant see it.stonemuse said:Jeremy Corbyn told Sky News a second EU referendum was an "option for the future, but not an option for today".
Labour's leader said he didn't know what question would feature in a referendum.
Asked how he would vote today if he could, he said: "I don't know."1 -
''Shami Chakrabarti''. Most miserable depressive woman
ever to appear on TV. Anti private schools but sends son to one?0 -
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To keep us all in to benefit from our new North Korean style economy 😊ThreadKiller said:I don't think anyone voted for this
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I wouldn’t worry as I now believe we will stay in the EU anyway ... just as most of Parliament always wanted.ThreadKiller said:I don't think anyone voted for this
Current deal, stay in the EU but with no voice or vote - no chance this will get the necessary support.
No deal - will never get through Parliament.
Another referendum - if it’s based on the above two options plus a remain option, then remain will win with a landslide because the Leave vote will be split.
This is where our deplorable political strata have taken us ... and I do now begin to wonder if it was the plan all along. But then again, it couldn’t be because they are not intelligent enough.
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@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?1
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I'm reminded of the cunning ploy to get out of making everybody a brew when it's your turn. You make it so badly that no one will drink it and you're never asked to do it again. That's where we are with this so called 'deal' that deletes any of the advantages of actually leaving fully and is hopelessly lopsided in favour of the EU. The deal is unacceptable, no deal is unacceptable, so we will end up staying in the EU. Like a couple who can't afford to get divorced, living under the same roof in seething, silent bitter resentment.
It might be the most convenient outcome but there will be serious consequences for the Tories who are likely to get destroyed at the next election and God help us, Corbyn gets to fuck up being Prime Minister as badly as he's fucked up being Labour leader.3 -
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.3 -
You've basically repeated what I posted yesterday or the day beforestonemuse said:
I wouldn’t worry as I now believe we will stay in the EU anyway ... just as most of Parliament always wanted.ThreadKiller said:I don't think anyone voted for this
Current deal, stay in the EU but with no voice or vote - no chance this will get the necessary support.
No deal - will never get through Parliament.
Another referendum - if it’s based on the above two options plus a remain option, then remain will win with a landslide because the Leave vote will be split.
This is where our deplorable political strata have taken us ... and I do now begin to wonder if it was the plan all along. But then again, it couldn’t be because they are not intelligent enough.
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Missed opportunities for what?stonemuse said:
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.2 -
Proves it’s right thenCovered End said:
You've basically repeated what I posted yesterday or the day beforestonemuse said:
I wouldn’t worry as I now believe we will stay in the EU anyway ... just as most of Parliament always wanted.ThreadKiller said:I don't think anyone voted for this
Current deal, stay in the EU but with no voice or vote - no chance this will get the necessary support.
No deal - will never get through Parliament.
Another referendum - if it’s based on the above two options plus a remain option, then remain will win with a landslide because the Leave vote will be split.
This is where our deplorable political strata have taken us ... and I do now begin to wonder if it was the plan all along. But then again, it couldn’t be because they are not intelligent enough.
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Read my innumerable and repetitive posts. You know exactly what my points are.Red_in_SE8 said:
Missed opportunities for what?stonemuse said:
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.1 -
I think that we should have a second referendum, but totally ignore and disrespect the rssult.2
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I don't think this can be over until the public get a final say on what is to be offered. If parliament just pull the plug on Brexit then it's like what the hell was that all about and there won't be any resolution for people.stonemuse said:
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.
There has to be another referendum and we must get the questions right
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Referendum, election, or whatever happens ... we will remain.ThreadKiller said:
I don't think this can be over until the public get a final say on what is to be offered. If parliament just pull the plug on Brexit then it's like what the hell was that all about and there won't be any resolution for people.stonemuse said:
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.
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In one sense every leave voter who had no suggestions of their own particularly with regard to the Irish border should be satisfied with the May deal.
Many people said they had no answers, that's the politicians job, well May's deal is the job the politicians have done on your behalf.
A lot of people who reject this May deal are still objecting on the basis of what's wrong with it, not how it could be any better.
Personally I think it is a rubbish deal, however what it has going for it is that it isn't actually brexit as defined by some, it keeps a completely open border in Ireland for at least the next eighty years, and it is destroying the Tories.2 -
You mean in the same way that we are set to leave the eu on 29th March and have an exit deal backed by the government of the day on the table ?smudge7946 said:I think that we should have a second referendum, but totally ignore and disrespect the rssult.
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Apologies if I've misremembered this but weren't you in favour of using the triggering of Article 50 as a subsequent negotiating ploy to get a better existing deal for us to stay in? In which case why does it matter when it was triggered?stonemuse said:
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.0 -
I supported and proposed the total opposite. Do not trigger so early in order to allow both sides to still negotiate.Bournemouth Addick said:
Apologies if I've misremembered this but weren't you in favour of using the triggering of Article 50 as a subsequent negotiating ploy to get a better existing deal for us to stay in? In which case why does it matter when it was triggered?stonemuse said:
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.2 -
But the overwhelming view that has emerged over the last two years from the people who run the businesses in the UK that provide millions of jobs to UK citizens is that it is essential that the UK stays in the customs union and the single market. They have already started plans to move those jobs away from the UK. It can no longer be dismissed as project fear. People like you are so blinded by your anti EU ideologies that you are prepared to risk losing enormous benefits on the one hand in order to achieve quite minor benefits on the other.stonemuse said:
Read my innumerable and repetitive posts. You know exactly what my points are.Red_in_SE8 said:
Missed opportunities for what?stonemuse said:
Not at all ... I have no answer to the situation we find ourselves in, hence I believe we will now remain.ThreadKiller said:@stonemuse Remain has to be an option since we are all allowed to change our minds, but what would your alternative proposal to go on the ballot as leave means leave is very undefinable. Are you suggestion in order to not split the leave vote that the option should be around leaving completely with no surrounding agreements in place, what would be your question?
I agree remain must be an option ... it is the missed opportunities that annoy and frustrate me ... all due to Article 50 being enacted so soon.
These opportunities you refer to are a fantasy. Always were. The last two years of debate and real world response to the Brexit vote have proved that conclusively.
The views of the Northern Irish farmers expressed a couple of days ago encapsulates the conflict of political ideologues such as the DUP with businesses and individuals who are more concencerned about the future of their jobs and their businesses rather than some ancient ideas about identity.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/17/dup-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-ulster-farmers-union2 -
Aside from the fact it was the roll out of additional grammar schools, not private schools, she spoke out against, her hipocracy around selective schooling pales into insignificance alongside the duplicity of Raab telling the public that no one was talking about leaving the single market before the referendum...only to perform a complete 180 on that after the vote.Jensenwasclass said:''Shami Chakrabarti''. Most miserable depressive woman
ever to appear on TV. Anti private schools but sends son to one?
I know which one I consider to be the more harmful to the UK.
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https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/18/zac-goldsmith-becomes-24th-mp-to-openly-submit-letter-of-no-confidence-in-theresa-may-8151651/
Zac Goldsmith taking a risk of getting dumped from his strongly Remain constituency again if his letter eventually results in a General Election. Should be a nailed on Lib Dem gain with this rubbing of his constituents nose in it.1
