Jonjo Shelvey

Charltonparklane said:

Callumcafc said:

Absolutely criminal (lack of) tracking back for Man U’s second goal.

And some wanted him on the plane to Russia..

https://twitter.com/espnfc/status/1080581902443204609

He was 10 yds behind and chasing Pogba, Rashford, and Lukaku wasn't he from memory. Just think he wasn't quick enough rather than stopped.

Great counter attack, only from memory watching the game, haven't seen a replay mind you.

You should watch the clip because the evidence is damning when you focus on Jonjo.

There was about three instances where he could’ve put in a decent tackle and/or closed down passing lanes if he hadn’t been jogging/walking. He should be embarrassed.

No doubt he’s talented but he’s never going to be better than lower Prem/upper Champ it seems.

He doesn't look happy at Newcastle and I think he may move back south in this window. He doesn't look as if he is giving 100%

Putting my own bias aside I think he is one of the Best players to have come through our ranks. I find it hard to score players who've progressed from the youth team because of us being in either really good league's or fucking dog shit one's.

Lee Bowyer is probably the best not just kid, but player I have seen as he was absolutely bossing games with Paul Mortimer as a 17 and 18 year old kid and he did stuff I loved as a 14 year old watching him. He wound players up, he did that pirouette that Parker made a trademark while me and Scott Parker would have been at school. He picked passes, he tackled like a bastard, he had the energy and brain to know how to arrive and be in the right areas in the box, he scored goals and made us a better team. And went on and had a great career at the top level and should have 100% played more for England.

Scott Parker was a good player as a kid but he was a bit of a pussy. He came back from a loan spell a totally changed player and as a man. I don't need to expand to anyone what he was to our team, he didn't have Bowyers eye for goal but by God he got everywhere and tackled everyone, with zero respect for reputation he properly smashed a lot of players. I don't think I can ever forgive him for leaving mid season when we were on course to actually do something in the top division of English football. I know all the arguments for him leaving and the rationale but football is not the city and emotions can't be brushed aside.

Paul Konchesky was another like Bowyer who looked like he belonged in the team when he was a kid. I always thought he was better in midfield and he had a wand of a left foot, another who has had a very decent career.

Jonjo Shelvey, a boy in a man's body. Ran the midfield on his home debut as a 16 year old, for as long as he played for us he looked like the only player on the pitch with genuine quality and because of the bang average and sub standard players around him the manager at the time kept dropping him. I imagine it was like Simonsen must have looked or to a lesser degree Di Canio who was overheard once after a few vinos giving it large "you givva the ball to Lisbie and he shoota over the bar". Real genuine class footballer who when reflecting on his career in a decade will scratch his head and ask with genuine perplexion how Cleverly and Dier played more for England than he did.

Joe Gomez, Rolls Royce of a defender. Only got to see him a few times but I have no doubt he will play over 50 times for England and possibly captain the national team. Some players are just meant to be on a football field and he is one, effortless reader of the game.

Richard Rufus, never got skinned. Proper defender, quick, fearless and another in the category whonshoukd have represented his country. Shame England had a lot of decent centre halves in his time. Him and Rowett if both had managed to stay fit were a dream pairing at centre half. Chuck Andy Todd in there and you had a pretty fearsome back 3. possibly the best defender I've seen at the club

Jonathon Fortune, athletic and strong. Loved pumping a long ball and for a while was a very good defender in good company. Will always be fondly remembered for scoring the goal that relegated Palace. Less so for refusing to sign a shirt with "I sent the palace down" because the lanky fucking weasel thought he might get a contract there. Disappointed Jon, disappointed.

Ademola Lookman, never saw enough of him in the flesh as I'd already begun my boycott but has a pretty impressive highlight reel of goals for us and has done very well in Germany.

Chris Solly, if he didn't play with fucked knees he would have been a premier league footballer. For a few seasons he was easily the best full back outside the premier league. Another one who took to senior football like a duck to water

For balance

1) Bowyer
2) Parker
3) Jonjo Shelvey

Richard Gough was with us as a teenager (his old man played for us) but never made the 1st team.

Ormiston Addick said:

Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....

Elliott

Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto

Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey

Lookman
Watson

We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.

In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.

Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.

I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.

Mine would be (54 years since I made my debut at the Valley):

Darren Randolph

Billy Bonds
Joe Gomez
Paul Elliott
Richard Rufus
Scott Minto

Alan Campbell
Scott Parker

Robert Lee
Paul Walsh
Lee Bowyer

Ormiston Addick said:

Addick Addict said:

Ormiston Addick said:

Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....

Elliott

Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto

Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey

Lookman
Watson

We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.

In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.

Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.

I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.

Mine would be (54 years since I made my debut at the Valley):

Darren Randolph

Billy Bonds
Joe Gomez
Paul Elliott
Richard Rufus
Scott Minto

Alan Campbell
Scott Parker

Robert Lee
Paul Walsh
Lee Bowyer

Crikey, very interesting you've come up with Randolph as your keeper given you'd have seen some of our home-grown keepers in the 70s.

Said at the time that we made a big mistake allowing Randolph to go and he has gone on to be a regular in the top flight (albeit not now) and also played over 30 games for the ROI.

Charlie Wright wasn't home grown or he would have made it as would Nicky Johns. John Dunn came from Villa and wasn't as good as Randolph anyway. Graham Tutt's career was cut short and couldn't say that he would have reached the heights that Randolph has. Jeff Wood wasn't as good as Randolph either.

Can't think of any other keepers from the 70s.

Addick Addict said:

Ormiston Addick said:

Addick Addict said:

Ormiston Addick said:

Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....

Elliott

Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto

Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey

Lookman
Watson

We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.

In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.

Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.

I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.

Mine would be (54 years since I made my debut at the Valley):

Darren Randolph

Billy Bonds
Joe Gomez
Paul Elliott
Richard Rufus
Scott Minto

Alan Campbell
Scott Parker

Robert Lee
Paul Walsh
Lee Bowyer

Crikey, very interesting you've come up with Randolph as your keeper given you'd have seen some of our home-grown keepers in the 70s.

Said at the time that we made a big mistake allowing Randolph to go and he has gone on to be a regular in the top flight (albeit not now) and also played over 30 games for the ROI.

Charlie Wright wasn't home grown or he would have made it as would Nicky Johns. John Dunn came from Villa and wasn't as good as Randolph anyway. Graham Tutt's career was cut short and couldn't say that he would have reached the heights that Randolph has. Jeff Wood wasn't as good as Randolph either.

Can't think of any other keepers from the 70s.

Jeff Wood came in from (I think) Harlow Town to replace Tutt after his injury so not homegrown anyway.

I saw the game on the telly, Shelvey 'did' Pogba plain and simple. He's always been prone to do this kind of thing and that's why his career (allied to a lack of pace) has not been as successful as it could have.
Shame because at times his ability to find space and his range of passing is a joy to behold

Bournemouth Addick said:

Vincenzo said:

Great article on Jonjo here:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonjo-shelvey-newcastle-united-premier-league-paul-pogba-a8711236.html

Just read that in the print version and think he has a good point in that watching Jonjo is never dull. Good story about refusing to make the tea for Deon Burton too.

And the story about openly deriding Stuart Pearce's tactics when he was in the U21s. No wonder he's not getting in the England squad.

Bournemouth Addick said:

Vincenzo said:

Great article on Jonjo here:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jonjo-shelvey-newcastle-united-premier-league-paul-pogba-a8711236.html

Just read that in the print version and think he has a good point in that watching Jonjo is never dull. Good story about refusing to make the tea for Deon Burton too.

Liked that. It might seem arrogant for a 16-year-old but he had a point. I remember him laying a hat-trick of easy chances on a plate for Burton in one game - all missed. Not that Deon wasn't a solid old pro, he was. But Jonjo was a class above the rest of the team even at 16/17.

Shocking that we didn't even use him in the play-offs that year. Presumably the pittance we were going to get from Liverpool was more important than promotion.

After being an irregular for Benitez, JJ is back in the Geordie starting Xl .. nice to see that Brucie appreciates the advantage of a full English ((:>)