Jonjo Shelvey
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You should watch the clip because the evidence is damning when you focus on Jonjo.Charltonparklane said:
He was 10 yds behind and chasing Pogba, Rashford, and Lukaku wasn't he from memory. Just think he wasn't quick enough rather than stopped.Callumcafc said:Absolutely criminal (lack of) tracking back for Man U’s second goal.
And some wanted him on the plane to Russia..
Great counter attack, only from memory watching the game, haven't seen a replay mind you.
There was about three instances where he could’ve put in a decent tackle and/or closed down passing lanes if he hadn’t been jogging/walking. He should be embarrassed.
No doubt he’s talented but he’s never going to be better than lower Prem/upper Champ it seems.0 -
As an academy product, I've always wished Shelvey was an England regular. He's... hmm, probably one of the top three talents I've seen in my consciousness come through the ranks at Charlton (for context, I'm 24).
Parker and Gomez are the top two, Lookman (if he counts) is probably just behind Jonjo, not really sure how I can gauge Rufus given he came through when I was really young. (So on so forth)
Stupid shit like that tackle and a fantastic lack of consistency have seen him not quite reach the heights I thought he would, and it's a real shame.1 -
He doesn't look happy at Newcastle and I think he may move back south in this window. He doesn't look as if he is giving 100%0
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He's the best English passer we've got and the most creative midfielder, but unfortunately he's not mobile enough for Southgate's side. Also, challenges like the one on Pogba show he has learned very little about what he needs to concentrate on. Embarrassed himself stamping on Dele Alli whilst captaining Newcastle and continues to be needlessly and counter-productively aggressive.
Nasty challenge that, on Pogba, giving away a foolish free-kick. Can't believe anyone wants to defend it.1 -
Putting my own bias aside I think he is one of the Best players to have come through our ranks. I find it hard to score players who've progressed from the youth team because of us being in either really good league's or fucking dog shit one's.
Lee Bowyer is probably the best not just kid, but player I have seen as he was absolutely bossing games with Paul Mortimer as a 17 and 18 year old kid and he did stuff I loved as a 14 year old watching him. He wound players up, he did that pirouette that Parker made a trademark while me and Scott Parker would have been at school. He picked passes, he tackled like a bastard, he had the energy and brain to know how to arrive and be in the right areas in the box, he scored goals and made us a better team. And went on and had a great career at the top level and should have 100% played more for England.
Scott Parker was a good player as a kid but he was a bit of a pussy. He came back from a loan spell a totally changed player and as a man. I don't need to expand to anyone what he was to our team, he didn't have Bowyers eye for goal but by God he got everywhere and tackled everyone, with zero respect for reputation he properly smashed a lot of players. I don't think I can ever forgive him for leaving mid season when we were on course to actually do something in the top division of English football. I know all the arguments for him leaving and the rationale but football is not the city and emotions can't be brushed aside.
Paul Konchesky was another like Bowyer who looked like he belonged in the team when he was a kid. I always thought he was better in midfield and he had a wand of a left foot, another who has had a very decent career.
Jonjo Shelvey, a boy in a man's body. Ran the midfield on his home debut as a 16 year old, for as long as he played for us he looked like the only player on the pitch with genuine quality and because of the bang average and sub standard players around him the manager at the time kept dropping him. I imagine it was like Simonsen must have looked or to a lesser degree Di Canio who was overheard once after a few vinos giving it large "you givva the ball to Lisbie and he shoota over the bar". Real genuine class footballer who when reflecting on his career in a decade will scratch his head and ask with genuine perplexion how Cleverly and Dier played more for England than he did.
Joe Gomez, Rolls Royce of a defender. Only got to see him a few times but I have no doubt he will play over 50 times for England and possibly captain the national team. Some players are just meant to be on a football field and he is one, effortless reader of the game.
Richard Rufus, never got skinned. Proper defender, quick, fearless and another in the category whonshoukd have represented his country. Shame England had a lot of decent centre halves in his time. Him and Rowett if both had managed to stay fit were a dream pairing at centre half. Chuck Andy Todd in there and you had a pretty fearsome back 3. possibly the best defender I've seen at the club
Jonathon Fortune, athletic and strong. Loved pumping a long ball and for a while was a very good defender in good company. Will always be fondly remembered for scoring the goal that relegated Palace. Less so for refusing to sign a shirt with "I sent the palace down" because the lanky fucking weasel thought he might get a contract there. Disappointed Jon, disappointed.
Ademola Lookman, never saw enough of him in the flesh as I'd already begun my boycott but has a pretty impressive highlight reel of goals for us and has done very well in Germany.
Chris Solly, if he didn't play with fucked knees he would have been a premier league footballer. For a few seasons he was easily the best full back outside the premier league. Another one who took to senior football like a duck to water
For balance
1) Bowyer
2) Parker
3) Jonjo Shelvey6 -
Obviously the way Uncle spoke about Jonjo on here may not be how it was behind closed doors - but it doesn't help to act like your loved ones are perfect - especially kids. If Jonjo grew up in an environment where any criticism of him was always shouted down, it might explain why in his older years he seems to be struggling to learn from his mistakes and still has most of the same flaws in his games as he did as a 17 year old at Charlton.Stu_of_Kunming said:
He never claimed to be an Addick of any type, he was quite open about being a hammer.SoundAsa£ said:Uncle......Mmmmmm.
Was always ready to jump down anyone’s throat at the merest hint of criticism regarding Jonjo, even when posters were trying to point out things that could be improved in his game and temperament on the pitch. I know I did once regarding him being lucky not to get a red card at Orient for a really unnecessary intentionaly spiteful tackle......a view shared on the day by Colin (Paddy) Powell, Paul Went and Keith Peacock......but uncle wouldn’t have any of it.
Quite a few of us got into uncalled for spats with him back in the day.
He (uncle), was never a true Addick anyway.
PS.....I think Jonjo is a great player and at his best was deserving of a place in the England set up.
I also don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to back a family member, if you can't have rose tinted specs about family, when can you?3 -
Best teenagers for me.
1.Gomez
2.Bowyer
3.Paul Walsh
4.Paul Elliott
5.Rob Lee
6.Shelvey.
7.Lookman.
8.Minto
9.Parker
10.Gordon Watson
I thought Parker was 20 when he came back from Norwich, if he was still 19, then Scott would be 3rd.0 -
Erm.....you left out Rufus?soapboxsam said:Best teenagers for me.
1.Gomez
2.Bowyer
3.Paul Walsh
4.Paul Elliott
5.Rob Lee
6.Shelvey.
7.Lookman.
8.Minto
9.Parker
10.Gordon Watson
I thought Parker was 20 when he came back from Norwich, if he was still 19, then Scott would be 3rd.
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Richard Gough was with us as a teenager (his old man played for us) but never made the 1st team.0
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Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
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Makes me sick in my mouth saying it, but defoe has to be in there0
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Parker made his debut for us as a 16 year old and played over 30 games in a Charlton shirt before he went on loan to Norwich and he had his 20th birthday whilst there.soapboxsam said:Best teenagers for me.
1.Gomez
2.Bowyer
3.Paul Walsh
4.Paul Elliott
5.Rob Lee
6.Shelvey.
7.Lookman.
8.Minto
9.Parker
10.Gordon Watson
I thought Parker was 20 when he came back from Norwich, if he was still 19, then Scott would be 3rd.1 -
Mine would be (54 years since I made my debut at the Valley):Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
Darren Randolph
Billy Bonds
Joe Gomez
Paul Elliott
Richard Rufus
Scott Minto
Alan Campbell
Scott Parker
Robert Lee
Paul Walsh
Lee Bowyer1 -
Crikey, very interesting you've come up with Randolph as your keeper given you'd have seen some of our home-grown keepers in the 70s.Addick Addict said:
Mine would be (54 years since I made my debut at the Valley):Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
Darren Randolph
Billy Bonds
Joe Gomez
Paul Elliott
Richard Rufus
Scott Minto
Alan Campbell
Scott Parker
Robert Lee
Paul Walsh
Lee Bowyer
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Said at the time that we made a big mistake allowing Randolph to go and he has gone on to be a regular in the top flight (albeit not now) and also played over 30 games for the ROI.Ormiston Addick said:
Crikey, very interesting you've come up with Randolph as your keeper given you'd have seen some of our home-grown keepers in the 70s.Addick Addict said:
Mine would be (54 years since I made my debut at the Valley):Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
Darren Randolph
Billy Bonds
Joe Gomez
Paul Elliott
Richard Rufus
Scott Minto
Alan Campbell
Scott Parker
Robert Lee
Paul Walsh
Lee Bowyer
Charlie Wright wasn't home grown or he would have made it as would Nicky Johns. John Dunn came from Villa and wasn't as good as Randolph anyway. Graham Tutt's career was cut short and couldn't say that he would have reached the heights that Randolph has. Jeff Wood wasn't as good as Randolph either.
Can't think of any other keepers from the 70s.1 -
Does Lookman count as genuinely homegrown when we signed him from another club as a 16 year old?Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.2 -
Why not, given some call Aribo, Dijksteel, Stevenson academy graduates...Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Does Lookman count as genuinely homegrown when we signed him from another club as a 16 year old?Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.0 -
No.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Does Lookman count as genuinely homegrown when we signed him from another club as a 16 year old?Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
Picking a home grown 11 (players I've seen in the flesh playing for Charlton)
Elliott or Randolph
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Leaburn
Lisbie
Weak up front (not sure I ever saw Watson), whereas there are loads of defenders and midfielders to choose from. Amongst those left out would be
Fortune
Konchesky
Pitcher (RIP)
Newton
Solly
Cousins
Primus
The following 3 never played a league match for us but went on to have excellent careers
Defoe
Arter
Turner0 -
Jeff Wood came in from (I think) Harlow Town to replace Tutt after his injury so not homegrown anyway.Addick Addict said:
Said at the time that we made a big mistake allowing Randolph to go and he has gone on to be a regular in the top flight (albeit not now) and also played over 30 games for the ROI.Ormiston Addick said:
Crikey, very interesting you've come up with Randolph as your keeper given you'd have seen some of our home-grown keepers in the 70s.Addick Addict said:
Mine would be (54 years since I made my debut at the Valley):Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
Darren Randolph
Billy Bonds
Joe Gomez
Paul Elliott
Richard Rufus
Scott Minto
Alan Campbell
Scott Parker
Robert Lee
Paul Walsh
Lee Bowyer
Charlie Wright wasn't home grown or he would have made it as would Nicky Johns. John Dunn came from Villa and wasn't as good as Randolph anyway. Graham Tutt's career was cut short and couldn't say that he would have reached the heights that Randolph has. Jeff Wood wasn't as good as Randolph either.
Can't think of any other keepers from the 70s.1 -
Also Barness as back up left back.killerandflash said:
No.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Does Lookman count as genuinely homegrown when we signed him from another club as a 16 year old?Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
Picking a home grown 11 (players I've seen in the flesh playing for Charlton)
Elliott or Randolph
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Leaburn
Lisbie
Weak up front (not sure I ever saw Watson), whereas there are loads of defenders and midfielders to choose from. Amongst those left out would be
Fortune
Konchesky
Pitcher (RIP)
Newton
Solly
Cousins
Primus
The following 3 never played a league match for us but went on to have excellent careers
Defoe
Arter
Turner2 - Sponsored links:
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Forgot about him! Could play RB as welliaitch said:
Also Barness as back up left back.killerandflash said:
No.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Does Lookman count as genuinely homegrown when we signed him from another club as a 16 year old?Ormiston Addick said:Very interesting concept in terms of picking our best XI of genuinely home-grown players....based on my 32 years of supporting the club.....
Elliott
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Lookman
Watson
We have produced comparatively few of our own front players over the years when you think about it.
In my time we have really only produced Leaburn, Kim Grant, Watson, Lookman and Karlan Ahearne-Grant that have had any degree of success.
Jason Lee had a better career than most of our home-grown front players but played only a handful of games for us.
I feel I must be missing someone but even one of our better strikers, Paul Williams, actually joined from Woodford Town and wasn't a youth product.
Picking a home grown 11 (players I've seen in the flesh playing for Charlton)
Elliott or Randolph
Brown
Rufus
Gomez
Minto
Lee
Bowyer
Parker
Shelvey
Leaburn
Lisbie
Weak up front (not sure I ever saw Watson), whereas there are loads of defenders and midfielders to choose from. Amongst those left out would be
Fortune
Konchesky
Pitcher (RIP)
Newton
Solly
Cousins
Primus
The following 3 never played a league match for us but went on to have excellent careers
Defoe
Arter
Turner0 -
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I saw the game on the telly, Shelvey 'did' Pogba plain and simple. He's always been prone to do this kind of thing and that's why his career (allied to a lack of pace) has not been as successful as it could have.
Shame because at times his ability to find space and his range of passing is a joy to behold1 -
Just read that in the print version and think he has a good point in that watching Jonjo is never dull. Good story about refusing to make the tea for Deon Burton too.Vincenzo said:0 -
And the story about openly deriding Stuart Pearce's tactics when he was in the U21s. No wonder he's not getting in the England squad.Bournemouth Addick said:
Just read that in the print version and think he has a good point in that watching Jonjo is never dull. Good story about refusing to make the tea for Deon Burton too.Vincenzo said:0 -
Stuart Pearce the managerial mastermind who when chasing a goal late in one game decided it would be better to put David James up front even though he had a striker on the bench.Chunes said:
And the story about openly deriding Stuart Pearce's tactics when he was in the U21s. No wonder he's not getting in the England squad.Bournemouth Addick said:
Just read that in the print version and think he has a good point in that watching Jonjo is never dull. Good story about refusing to make the tea for Deon Burton too.Vincenzo said:
Also when he was Man City manager in one season they didn't score a single goal at home after new years day!0 -
Liked that. It might seem arrogant for a 16-year-old but he had a point. I remember him laying a hat-trick of easy chances on a plate for Burton in one game - all missed. Not that Deon wasn't a solid old pro, he was. But Jonjo was a class above the rest of the team even at 16/17.Bournemouth Addick said:
Just read that in the print version and think he has a good point in that watching Jonjo is never dull. Good story about refusing to make the tea for Deon Burton too.Vincenzo said:
Shocking that we didn't even use him in the play-offs that year. Presumably the pittance we were going to get from Liverpool was more important than promotion.2 -
Good Article. Pogba, Stuart Pearce and Sir Alex. As the article stated, he does not pick soft targets.Vincenzo said:1 -
After being an irregular for Benitez, JJ is back in the Geordie starting Xl .. nice to see that Brucie appreciates the advantage of a full English ((:>)1
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He is more than a bit Scottish isn't he?Lincsaddick said:After being an irregular for Benitez, JJ is back in the Geordie starting Xl .. nice to see that Brucie appreciates the advantage of a full English ((:>)0
