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Charlton v WBA | Sat 11 Jan | 15:00pm KO | Post-match Thread 11/01/2020
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Bowyer hasnt even bloody looked at the deal yet!!orpingtonRED said:
Very strange. 5 yr deal offered and his comments after the game make me think its not all as straightforward as hopedValleyGary said:I find it strange that we are working against the clock to bring in much needed players, but apparently one of the reasons they won’t sign is because Bowyer isn’t on a contract. Yet a contact has been offered to Bowyer but he hasn’t even looked at it?
Im not worried, I just find the whole process a little strange from LB’s side.
All he's doing is giving people a potential insight into the difference between a players / managers contract7 -
hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.5 -
Yeah difficult to split thenTalal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.
Lockyer's was slower, yet was completely behind the player and had to wrap his leg around
Sarr's looked a lot faster the way he slid in, had he got that wrong I reckon it would have been a red card as well as a penalty3 -
Great game to be at. Gutsy performance but we still give goals away too easily. We also give the ball away too easily at our throw ins - just take them quickly before every single one of your team is man-marked!
However, I think today's performance and the point earned will mean an awful lot to the morale of the squad and with injured players gradually returning and hopefully some new additions we will move up the table over the last third of the season.0 -
The old weekly dissection of a wave or hand shakeValiantphil said:I thought the handshake in front of the CE between LB and the Baby Beckham looked a bit "final".
Hope they are both staying !3 -
Great to be back for first time since Forest. Great game, great atmosphere, great bit of needle, two equalisers. Absolutely loved the first one after the ball-keeping incident.1
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I dont get the need for that after what has been said this weekForeverAddickted said:
Bowyer hasnt even bloody looked at the deal yet!!orpingtonRED said:
Very strange. 5 yr deal offered and his comments after the game make me think its not all as straightforward as hopedValleyGary said:I find it strange that we are working against the clock to bring in much needed players, but apparently one of the reasons they won’t sign is because Bowyer isn’t on a contract. Yet a contact has been offered to Bowyer but he hasn’t even looked at it?
Im not worried, I just find the whole process a little strange from LB’s side.
All he's doing is giving people a potential insight into the difference between a players / managers contract0 -
Exercising caution perhaps?orpingtonRED said:
I dont get the need for that after what has been said this weekForeverAddickted said:
Bowyer hasnt even bloody looked at the deal yet!!orpingtonRED said:
Very strange. 5 yr deal offered and his comments after the game make me think its not all as straightforward as hopedValleyGary said:I find it strange that we are working against the clock to bring in much needed players, but apparently one of the reasons they won’t sign is because Bowyer isn’t on a contract. Yet a contact has been offered to Bowyer but he hasn’t even looked at it?
Im not worried, I just find the whole process a little strange from LB’s side.
All he's doing is giving people a potential insight into the difference between a players / managers contract
People shit themselves between Bowyers press comments and the press conference for no reason
Or is every comment going to be micro analysed now thanks to Roland!!0 -
Maybe he didn’t want to be distracted from his preparation for the game. Now the game’s over, he can see what’s on offer.FishCostaFortune said:
I mean why didn't he just speak to MS after the press conference on Thursday or his agent inbetween to get a little idea of what is in the contract?LouisMend said:7 -
Both of them a gnats bollock away from a pen.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah difficult to split thenTalal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.
Lockyer's was slower, yet was completely behind the player and had to wrap his leg around
Sarr's looked a lot faster the way he slid in, had he got that wrong I reckon it would have been a red card as well as a penalty
There was more 'skill' in Lockyers tackle but both one us points.
Couldn't split them.2 - Sponsored links:
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Maybe I was being slightly harsh on Hemed, but he was pretty ineffective when he came on, as the ball never stuck at all and he gave the West Brom defenders a far easier time, despite being fresh legs.PragueAddick said:
I agree about Davison. Of course. Definitely dont agree about Hemed, thought he got stuck in. He’s hardly played any football for ages, and was on his own upfront, which I’m pretty sure was not how Brighton played him.killerandflash said:Really impressed with Davison today, incredibly strong and physical for a kid, and so pleased he got a goal
Far more impressive than Hemed0 -
Very enjoyable game, great atmosphere. Decent results both home & away against top of the league team. Really good performance from Pratley the machine & Davidson. Was gutted when he went off for fly-weight Hamed but he looked knackered, obviously left it all out on the pitch. Onwards & upwards! COYA!!1
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Tbh Hamed looked more knackered after 12mins on the pitch.3
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I'd agree especially as Bowyer specifically said during Thursdays Press Conference that he could concentrate on Footballing matters now and leave everything else to other peopleEveshamAddick said:
Maybe he didn’t want to be distracted from his preparation for the game. Now the game’s over, he can see what’s on offer.FishCostaFortune said:
I mean why didn't he just speak to MS after the press conference on Thursday or his agent inbetween to get a little idea of what is in the contract?LouisMend said:1 -
A really good game to watch, the second half got remarkably stretched with lots of end to end action. We're happy with the point, West Brom were happy enough as Leeds lost!
Terrible play by Lockyer for the first goal, but he made up for it with the header - sadly an OG, a very similar one to the Hull equaliser which was credited as a Dillon OG
The usual mixture from Sarr, a great leap for the 1st goal, a great goal saving tackle and a couple of argghh moments. I can't decide who's at fault for their second goal, I had thought Sarr got a touch but that wasn't the case.
Really impressed with Davison, he was a real handful today, especially in the first half, great body strength for a 20 year old, and he bullied the defenders in a way that Shearer would be impressed with. Pratley was also excellent
Good to see JFC back, for a first appearance he was very tidy.
Poor train service today, typical that when we have a big crowd with a large away contingent, fewer trains are running. And what was that incident in Floyd Road which required police horses to block half of it off?2 -
On the train home.
Very enjoyable game and the point was deserved. On another day we could have won it.
Pratley MoM and every time Williams turned and ran at them you could almost see their fear running down their legs! How we’ve missed him.
Highlight of the day was in the second half something kicked off on the pitch (not the Robson Kanu incident) and the three of us and some others along from us stood up for no more than 5 seconds to hurl abuse at the ref. Bloke behind said “I can’t see” to which my Robert as quick as a flash said ‘stand up then’.2 -
Apparently when a pen is awarded a red card is no longer issued as that's considered double punishment. Happened in millwall v stoke earlier in the season which puzzled me greatly at the time. Perhaps someone else can confirm.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah difficult to split thenTalal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.
Lockyer's was slower, yet ...
Sarr's looked a lot faster the way he slid in, had he got that wrong I reckon it would have been a red card as well as a penalty0 -
It wasn't criminal, the first goal was a shocker from Tom Lockyer who decided to be negative instead of playing the ball forward.carly burn said:A great point.
We gifted them two goals. The second was criminal from where I was sat but I'll try not to dwell on it.
Doughty is going to be some player.
As I say a point is good against top of the league but they were there for the taking after we got ourselves back in it in the first half
Just happy to get away from them without any more casualties. They are dirty bastards as you would expect from a team managed by one!
Good rest now get some players back and some new ones in. We'll be fine.
The second goal was frustrating BUT TBF to young Doughty he stopped the player going passed him and the WBA player then realised he couldn't get pass him and got lucky with the ball going through Alfie's legs, but on a day when Sarr did an assist and played well and did the best tackle seen at the valley for years, can we give the Nabster some slack for once even if his body shape was slightly wrong with the second goal.
West Bromwich defending from both set pieces was criminal and the bearded Croatian will let them know that.2 -
Massively pleased we got a point out of that, well deserved.
massive piece of Naby humble pie for me tonight as well. Gave him criticism after the Derby result as I felt it was yet another mistake, but bloody hell, that tackle. He had a great game overall as well. As did Oshilaja. So, so unlucky his clearance from Lockyer’s mistake fell straight back to Zohore. He was unlucky to come off, but great substitutions from Bowyer.Every single one of them were superb today. We do need to tighten up at the back. It’s pretty much been the one area we haven’t had injuries in, yet we seem susceptible.Davison was class. To have held his own physically like that against the league leaders, top, top performance. Really pleased for him to get a goal as well.
WBA are a top side. They are good on the ball, but they’re also direct and don’t dick about. I expect them to go up and I have a lot of time for Bilic and the football they play. To the twats in their end that kept the ball after it had gone out of play, embarrassing. Massive C U next Tuesdays. Totally unnecessary and I’m glad they only got a point. Had a lot of respect for their fanbase after last week and the numbers they brought down, but for the few that thought they were funny not giving the ball back, they got the karma they deserve and it was so satisfying when we got the equalisers. That’s 4 times we’ve managed to come back against them this season8 -
I believe you can still get both if the challenge is bad enough to warrant a red for being dangerous - the penalty is for denying the opportunity, the red card is for a dangerous tackle. Otherwise it's "just" a penalty as the tackle wouldn't have been given as a yellow/red elsewhere on the field.swords_alive said:
Apparently when a pen is awarded a red card is no longer issued as that's considered double punishment. Happened in millwall v stoke earlier in the season which puzzled me greatly at the time. Perhaps someone else can confirm.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah difficult to split thenTalal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.
Lockyer's was slower, yet ...
Sarr's looked a lot faster the way he slid in, had he got that wrong I reckon it would have been a red card as well as a penalty
... I think?!0 - Sponsored links:
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I agree, if you snap someone's shin you shouldn't just get a yellow card cause its in the box.thenewbie said:
I believe you can still get both if the challenge is bad enough to warrant a red for being dangerous - the penalty is for denying the opportunity, the red card is for a dangerous tackle. Otherwise it's "just" a penalty as the tackle wouldn't have been given as a yellow/red elsewhere on the field.swords_alive said:
Apparently when a pen is awarded a red card is no longer issued as that's considered double punishment. Happened in millwall v stoke earlier in the season which puzzled me greatly at the time. Perhaps someone else can confirm.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah difficult to split thenTalal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.
Lockyer's was slower, yet ...
Sarr's looked a lot faster the way he slid in, had he got that wrong I reckon it would have been a red card as well as a penalty
... I think?!1 -
Posting after reading all other posts.....
Their 2nd goal all came from us not closing down their left back after a long diagonal pass by Sarr. Seconds into the re-start & seemingly no energy or willingnesss to chase the ball. Why ?? Close the bloke down & he doesnt run 25 yards up the pitch to start their attack.
Still too much faffing around & going backwards....especially at set pieces & throw ons. Cut it out & be more direct.
No idea what LB is talking about re his contract. If he hasnt seen it (why not, in this day & age of emails & texts) then why is he spouting about rolling 1 years & compensation. Shut up & say nothing if you really haven't seen it.....but from information I heard today I doubt that is the case. More porkies being told.
I will admit I was wrong about Davision & will be having second helpings of humble pie later. His hold up play today was excellent & well rewarded with his goal. Not the finished article yet of course & I would still like to see a proven striker brought in asap.
They got lucky with both their goals, even after we gifted it to them. Great block by Oshilaja for the first only to find the ball land at the strikers feet. For us the ball would have gone out for a corner. The 2nd gets a deflection off Sarr otherwise Phillips would have saved it.
Definitely Lockyer's goal. The keeper made an attempt to save it & it goes off him into its goal. What else can he do....he's their to try to stop them ffs.Robson's Kanu's goal goes in off Sarr......no difference.
Overall very happy with a point. We've played the top 2 three times in total & not yet lost. Not bad going I'd say.
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Because we seem to live in a world full of people permanently shitting themselves about something trivial.ForeverAddickted said:
Exercising caution perhaps?orpingtonRED said:
I dont get the need for that after what has been said this weekForeverAddickted said:
Bowyer hasnt even bloody looked at the deal yet!!orpingtonRED said:
Very strange. 5 yr deal offered and his comments after the game make me think its not all as straightforward as hopedValleyGary said:I find it strange that we are working against the clock to bring in much needed players, but apparently one of the reasons they won’t sign is because Bowyer isn’t on a contract. Yet a contact has been offered to Bowyer but he hasn’t even looked at it?
Im not worried, I just find the whole process a little strange from LB’s side.
All he's doing is giving people a potential insight into the difference between a players / managers contract
People shit themselves between Bowyers press comments and the press conference for no reason
Or is every comment going to be micro analysed now thanks to Roland!!
As for the game; nicely chaotic and one we didn't deserve to win or lose.
As for comparing WBA with 70s Leeds etc...those fouls today wouldnt have even got you noticed in the 70s.7 -
Because as Gallen keeps saying about Bowyer, the team and the club come first. He’s not going to worry about it in the build up to a big game. As he has said in his post match press conference. He’ll go home, calm down, speak to his agent and hopefully sign first thing Monday morning.ValleyGary said:I find it strange that we are working against the clock to bring in much needed players, but apparently one of the reasons they won’t sign is because Bowyer isn’t on a contract. Yet a contact has been offered to Bowyer but he hasn’t even looked at it?
Im not worried, I just find the whole process a little strange from LB’s side.8 -
Naby's was perfectly timed, so nowhere near a pen. He had no option as the fella was through on goal.Charltonparklane said:
Both of them a gnats bollock away from a pen.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah difficult to split thenTalal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.
Lockyer's was slower, yet was completely behind the player and had to wrap his leg around
Sarr's looked a lot faster the way he slid in, had he got that wrong I reckon it would have been a red card as well as a penalty
There was more 'skill' in Lockyers tackle but both one us points.
Couldn't split them.
He also does a great sliding block tackle. The one today didn't come off because the ball rebounded to their player.1 -
It's only a red card for a "professional foul" (i.e. 1 match ban) if there was no attempt to win the ball, e.g. if you pull the attacker's shirt or arms, or clip his heels when nowhere near the ballswords_alive said:
Apparently when a pen is awarded a red card is no longer issued as that's considered double punishment. Happened in millwall v stoke earlier in the season which puzzled me greatly at the time. Perhaps someone else can confirm.ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah difficult to split thenTalal said:hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Team showed real spirit - Davison was very impressive and Pratley seemed to wind their players up.
Need to cut out careless defensive errors.
Tackle of the season from Sarr - timed it perfectly.
Tackle by Sarr was superb but lets not forget Lockyer's one earlier in the season which was just as good.
Lockyer's was slower, yet ...
Sarr's looked a lot faster the way he slid in, had he got that wrong I reckon it would have been a red card as well as a penalty
The Sarr incident would at worst have been a yellow card as he was clearly trying to touch the ball, unless he committed a serious foul (the 3 game ban type) in the process0 -
To be fair at that point it was hard to see us getting back into it & I thought to myself that's it, game over. As a former boycotter I wasn't used to seeing the fight & 100% determination of this team to get back into the game, awesome performance but why do we have to fuck about at the back ? Playing with fire but so impressed with the youngsters in the team :-)Chunes said:
There were a few embarrassing posts on the match thread. Especially the bloke who said it was "game over now" at 1 - 0 down. Have a bloody word with yourself.Talal said:"I feel sorry for Davison. He's so out of his depth and I'm sure he must be aware of it."
This was an embarrassing post on the match thread before the game started and looks even more foolish now. The lad put in some shift and fully deserved his goal.0 -
Meant to post about the "fan of the day" or whatever the feature is called.
John Collins. Been supporting the club for 83 years. Bald as a coot under the cap. And my old maths teacher at Bexley Grammar. Wish I had known beforehand as I would have chucked a board rubber at him just to get my own back.
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Barnstormer of a game. So much fight in this team. Like having 11 Lee Bowyers on the pitch.
Brilliant effort and thought we might win it at the end.
The only down side is I felt gutted thinking about "what ifs" re our injury crisis. We have matched the teams up and down this league on many occasion and it's frustrating to think where we would be had we not had our squad annihilated. Still it all bodes well for the rest of the season and next.
Well pleased with that and have almost lost my voice. Great stuff.12 -
I have to remind myself that I am not in the CE when I go in with me old muckabobmunro said:On the train home.
Very enjoyable game and the point was deserved. On another day we could have won it.
Pratley MoM and every time Williams turned and ran at them you could almost see their fear running down their legs! How we’ve missed him.
Highlight of the day was in the second half something kicked off on the pitch (not the Robson Kanu incident) and the three of us and some others along from us stood up for no more than 5 seconds to hurl abuse at the ref. Bloke behind said “I can’t see” to which my Robert as quick as a flash said ‘stand up then’.
at times and remember not to call the opposition wankas so loudly and enjoyably
the folks ain’t like that up in them seats lol4
