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ESI: Thoughts so far?
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To the question, how do Bow and Gallen know about the budgets of other clubs, The answer is that each season the EFL syndicates a document sharing those details to every club in that division. That means that what Bow and G have seen is based on last season, but it will still be a very good indicator.
I can’t be sure, but I dont think it details individual management salaries. More likely they would get this from their agents, in which case an element of bullshit would be built into the figures. Another source might be the League Managers Assoc. Like others I really can’t imagine a rival manager saying to Bow “let’s compare salary slips”.....
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PragueAddick said:To the question, how do Bow and Gallen know about the budgets of other clubs, The answer is that each season the EFL syndicates a document sharing those details to every club in that division. That means that what Bow and G have seen is based on last season, but it will still be a very good indicator.
I can’t be sure, but I dont think it details individual management salaries. More likely they would get this from their agents, in which case an element of bullshit would be built into the figures. Another source might be the League Managers Assoc. Like others I really can’t imagine a rival manager saying to Bow “let’s compare salary slips”.....
I bet he knows what Woodgate earns!1 -
I'm sure managers talk to each other too. And they all know what each other is getting or at least what most of them are.0
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Yes, that's where the number comes from. Or, at least, its where it could come from. If it were an accurate number.JamesSeed said:Cosmin said:I have a question .
in the media is known that ESI have paid 65.000.000 Pounds for this acquisition.
I saw an article from last year where the club is valued at 20Mil.
does anybody know the real deal value?
This Fund is in negotiation with the team I support and i am really concerned with their intentions.
they seem a little dodgy to me...
Been asking the same questions to no avail. A little birdie told me a few weeks ago that he'd heard ESI hadn't bought Charlton Holdings (The Valley and the training ground) and had bought the club for £1. It seemed unlikely at the time.carly burn said:Can someone enlighten me as to what it actually is ESI have bought/own?
A check on companies house still shows the only officers for Charlton Athletic football company Ltd, Charlton Athletic holdings ltd and Baton 2010 Ltd are Roland Duchatelet, Richard Murray and Steve Gallen.
But ESI have now said they deferred the payment in order to get the deal over the line, which makes total sense.
So 'in the media [it] is known that ESI have paid 65,000.000 Pounds for this acquisition' isn't correct as far as I can see.
Perhaps they've agreed to pay £50m for Charlton Holdings, a Pound for the club, and have promised to invest £15m in the training ground. Is this where the £65m comes from?
However, the £65m is entirely made up. It has not been confirmed, documented and published. It's a guess. A phantom number. Made up by someone, copied by others and found its way into reliable - and otherwise - media outlets. And, since it's been unchallenged, it's been assumed to be accurate.
Any of us, if convinced that £65m is the right number, can have further guesses as to how it's made up. We can have a go at reconciling an estimate as to the real estate value; with a guess as to the goodwill; added to a recognition as to future revenues based on promotions, reduced by the costs of wages, salaries, depreciation and costs of ownership; and an approximation as to the ongoing costs of the directors' loans on the business. And we could make that all add up to £65m. Or any number less than that. Or more.
It's really not worth getting stuck on. Sixty-five million quid hasn't changed hands. And no figure approaching it will change hands until the full ownership of all aspects of the club has changed from Roland to ESI. That's still months off.
It seems clear now that ESI has not bought Charlton Athletic Holdings, but has bought Charlton Athletic FC. There's a lot about this on the "Who Owns The Valley?" thread. (Maybe your little birdie had been talking to someone who'd been reading that?)
Until the ownership of CAH and CAFC come under the same umbrella, any suggestion that ESI has paid £65m - or anywhere near it - it's apocryphal and misleading.4 -
I'm not clear what the intentions of the new owners are - hard to make any judgement until something concrete happens.0
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Southall will probably have been awarded shares as part of his compensation package, with certain restrictions on when and how he can sell them... so he's likely to have contributed very little/nothing to the transaction but that bears no relation to the actual monetary transaction to purchase the club. Southall's shares are a red herring when trying to work out how much ESI spent buying us.AFKABartram said:
I’m not sure why it isn’t clear to be honest, unless I’m completely misinterpreting things.JamesSeed said:Cosmin said:I have a question .
in the media is known that ESI have paid 65.000.000 Pounds for this acquisition.
I saw an article from last year where the club is valued at 20Mil.
does anybody know the real deal value?
This Fund is in negotiation with the team I support and i am really concerned with their intentions.
they seem a little dodgy to me...
Been asking the same questions to no avail. A little birdie told me a few weeks ago that he'd heard ESI hadn't bought Charlton Holdings (The Valley and the training ground) and had bought the club for £1. It seemed unlikely at the time.carly burn said:Can someone enlighten me as to what it actually is ESI have bought/own?
A check on companies house still shows the only officers for Charlton Athletic football company Ltd, Charlton Athletic holdings ltd and Baton 2010 Ltd are Roland Duchatelet, Richard Murray and Steve Gallen.
But ESI have now said they deferred the payment in order to get the deal over the line, which makes total sense.
So 'in the media [it] is known that ESI have paid 65,000.000 Pounds for this acquisition' isn't correct as far as I can see.
Perhaps they've agreed to pay £50m for Charlton Holdings, a Pound for the club, and have promised to invest £15m in the training ground. Is this where the £65m comes from?
Southall is said to have a 25% stake in the company that has changed hands.
Southall has no money
Therefore the monetary value of that transaction held very little monetary value.
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Are't MS shares a different class of share to the ones held by HE?2
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Can you point me in the direction of where this is shown officially?Chizz said:
Yes, that's where the number comes from. Or, at least, its where it could come from. If it were an accurate number.JamesSeed said:Cosmin said:I have a question .
in the media is known that ESI have paid 65.000.000 Pounds for this acquisition.
I saw an article from last year where the club is valued at 20Mil.
does anybody know the real deal value?
This Fund is in negotiation with the team I support and i am really concerned with their intentions.
they seem a little dodgy to me...
Been asking the same questions to no avail. A little birdie told me a few weeks ago that he'd heard ESI hadn't bought Charlton Holdings (The Valley and the training ground) and had bought the club for £1. It seemed unlikely at the time.carly burn said:Can someone enlighten me as to what it actually is ESI have bought/own?
A check on companies house still shows the only officers for Charlton Athletic football company Ltd, Charlton Athletic holdings ltd and Baton 2010 Ltd are Roland Duchatelet, Richard Murray and Steve Gallen.
But ESI have now said they deferred the payment in order to get the deal over the line, which makes total sense.
So 'in the media [it] is known that ESI have paid 65,000.000 Pounds for this acquisition' isn't correct as far as I can see.
Perhaps they've agreed to pay £50m for Charlton Holdings, a Pound for the club, and have promised to invest £15m in the training ground. Is this where the £65m comes from?
However, the £65m is entirely made up. It has not been confirmed, documented and published. It's a guess. A phantom number. Made up by someone, copied by others and found its way into reliable - and otherwise - media outlets. And, since it's been unchallenged, it's been assumed to be accurate.
Any of us, if convinced that £65m is the right number, can have further guesses as to how it's made up. We can have a go at reconciling an estimate as to the real estate value; with a guess as to the goodwill; added to a recognition as to future revenues based on promotions, reduced by the costs of wages, salaries, depreciation and costs of ownership; and an approximation as to the ongoing costs of the directors' loans on the business. And we could make that all add up to £65m. Or any number less than that. Or more.
It's really not worth getting stuck on. Sixty-five million quid hasn't changed hands. And no figure approaching it will change hands until the full ownership of all aspects of the club has changed from Roland to ESI. That's still months off.
It seems clear now that ESI has not bought Charlton Athletic Holdings, but has bought Charlton Athletic FC. There's a lot about this on the "Who Owns The Valley?" thread. (Maybe your little birdie had been talking to someone who'd been reading that?)
Until the ownership of CAH and CAFC come under the same umbrella, any suggestion that ESI has paid £65m - or anywhere near it - it apocryphal and misleading.0 -
carly burn said:
Can you point me in the direction of where this is shown officially?Chizz said:
Yes, that's where the number comes from. Or, at least, its where it could come from. If it were an accurate number.JamesSeed said:Cosmin said:I have a question .
in the media is known that ESI have paid 65.000.000 Pounds for this acquisition.
I saw an article from last year where the club is valued at 20Mil.
does anybody know the real deal value?
This Fund is in negotiation with the team I support and i am really concerned with their intentions.
they seem a little dodgy to me...
Been asking the same questions to no avail. A little birdie told me a few weeks ago that he'd heard ESI hadn't bought Charlton Holdings (The Valley and the training ground) and had bought the club for £1. It seemed unlikely at the time.carly burn said:Can someone enlighten me as to what it actually is ESI have bought/own?
A check on companies house still shows the only officers for Charlton Athletic football company Ltd, Charlton Athletic holdings ltd and Baton 2010 Ltd are Roland Duchatelet, Richard Murray and Steve Gallen.
But ESI have now said they deferred the payment in order to get the deal over the line, which makes total sense.
So 'in the media [it] is known that ESI have paid 65,000.000 Pounds for this acquisition' isn't correct as far as I can see.
Perhaps they've agreed to pay £50m for Charlton Holdings, a Pound for the club, and have promised to invest £15m in the training ground. Is this where the £65m comes from?
However, the £65m is entirely made up. It has not been confirmed, documented and published. It's a guess. A phantom number. Made up by someone, copied by others and found its way into reliable - and otherwise - media outlets. And, since it's been unchallenged, it's been assumed to be accurate.
Any of us, if convinced that £65m is the right number, can have further guesses as to how it's made up. We can have a go at reconciling an estimate as to the real estate value; with a guess as to the goodwill; added to a recognition as to future revenues based on promotions, reduced by the costs of wages, salaries, depreciation and costs of ownership; and an approximation as to the ongoing costs of the directors' loans on the business. And we could make that all add up to £65m. Or any number less than that. Or more.
It's really not worth getting stuck on. Sixty-five million quid hasn't changed hands. And no figure approaching it will change hands until the full ownership of all aspects of the club has changed from Roland to ESI. That's still months off.
It seems clear now that ESI has not bought Charlton Athletic Holdings, but has bought Charlton Athletic FC. There's a lot about this on the "Who Owns The Valley?" thread. (Maybe your little birdie had been talking to someone who'd been reading that?)
Until the ownership of CAH and CAFC come under the same umbrella, any suggestion that ESI has paid £65m - or anywhere near it - it apocryphal and misleading.
As of yet it isn't. Companies house would be the only official place and so far nothing filed (that is available).0 -
It still sounds a bit unlikely that they'd talk to each other in that much detailMuttleyCAFC said:I'm sure managers talk to each other too. And they all know what each other is getting or at least what most of them are.
"Hello Slaven, Bows here. How much are you on?"
"£1m a year"
"Only that? Scottie Parker is on £1.5m. Plus use of the Owner's yacht!"
"But I'm on a promotion bonus of £2m"
"That's good, Bielsa's is only £1m"
"Cooper at Swansea has no promotion bonus at all!"2 - Sponsored links:
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Some of them hate each other but they will know who gets what from people they get on with learning from X etc... Basically, they and agents will share intelligence and through that get the info on most managers0
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When the piles get driven and filled for the new flats where The Valley once stood.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I'm not clear what the intentions of the new owners are - hard to make any judgement until something concrete happens.1 -
Come on ,you never heard of Dinamo? Thats meantangoflash said:
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about Al-Ain mate.Cosmin said:
Come on ,you never heard of Dinamo? Thats meantangoflash said: 2 -
Oh ,sorry about that , my badJustinho_FCD said:
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Al-Ain mate.Cosmin said:
Come on ,you never heard of Dinamo? Thats meantangoflash said:
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Al Ain
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No. And that's kind of my point. Nothing that's reported has been "officially" published. Although it's probably safe to draw the conclusion that ESI has already bought (or acquired) CAFC, otherwise the EFL would not have allowed the announcement to be made.carly burn said:
Can you point me in the direction of where this is shown officially?Chizz said:
Yes, that's where the number comes from. Or, at least, its where it could come from. If it were an accurate number.JamesSeed said:Cosmin said:I have a question .
in the media is known that ESI have paid 65.000.000 Pounds for this acquisition.
I saw an article from last year where the club is valued at 20Mil.
does anybody know the real deal value?
This Fund is in negotiation with the team I support and i am really concerned with their intentions.
they seem a little dodgy to me...
Been asking the same questions to no avail. A little birdie told me a few weeks ago that he'd heard ESI hadn't bought Charlton Holdings (The Valley and the training ground) and had bought the club for £1. It seemed unlikely at the time.carly burn said:Can someone enlighten me as to what it actually is ESI have bought/own?
A check on companies house still shows the only officers for Charlton Athletic football company Ltd, Charlton Athletic holdings ltd and Baton 2010 Ltd are Roland Duchatelet, Richard Murray and Steve Gallen.
But ESI have now said they deferred the payment in order to get the deal over the line, which makes total sense.
So 'in the media [it] is known that ESI have paid 65,000.000 Pounds for this acquisition' isn't correct as far as I can see.
Perhaps they've agreed to pay £50m for Charlton Holdings, a Pound for the club, and have promised to invest £15m in the training ground. Is this where the £65m comes from?
However, the £65m is entirely made up. It has not been confirmed, documented and published. It's a guess. A phantom number. Made up by someone, copied by others and found its way into reliable - and otherwise - media outlets. And, since it's been unchallenged, it's been assumed to be accurate.
Any of us, if convinced that £65m is the right number, can have further guesses as to how it's made up. We can have a go at reconciling an estimate as to the real estate value; with a guess as to the goodwill; added to a recognition as to future revenues based on promotions, reduced by the costs of wages, salaries, depreciation and costs of ownership; and an approximation as to the ongoing costs of the directors' loans on the business. And we could make that all add up to £65m. Or any number less than that. Or more.
It's really not worth getting stuck on. Sixty-five million quid hasn't changed hands. And no figure approaching it will change hands until the full ownership of all aspects of the club has changed from Roland to ESI. That's still months off.
It seems clear now that ESI has not bought Charlton Athletic Holdings, but has bought Charlton Athletic FC. There's a lot about this on the "Who Owns The Valley?" thread. (Maybe your little birdie had been talking to someone who'd been reading that?)
Until the ownership of CAH and CAFC come under the same umbrella, any suggestion that ESI has paid £65m - or anywhere near it - it apocryphal and misleading.1 -
Odd though isn't it?Chizz said:
No. And that's kind of my point. Nothing that's reported has been "officially" published. Although it's probably safe to draw the conclusion that ESI has already bought (or acquired) CAFC, otherwise the EFL would not have allowed the announcement to be made.carly burn said:
Can you point me in the direction of where this is shown officially?Chizz said:
Yes, that's where the number comes from. Or, at least, its where it could come from. If it were an accurate number.JamesSeed said:Cosmin said:I have a question .
in the media is known that ESI have paid 65.000.000 Pounds for this acquisition.
I saw an article from last year where the club is valued at 20Mil.
does anybody know the real deal value?
This Fund is in negotiation with the team I support and i am really concerned with their intentions.
they seem a little dodgy to me...
Been asking the same questions to no avail. A little birdie told me a few weeks ago that he'd heard ESI hadn't bought Charlton Holdings (The Valley and the training ground) and had bought the club for £1. It seemed unlikely at the time.carly burn said:Can someone enlighten me as to what it actually is ESI have bought/own?
A check on companies house still shows the only officers for Charlton Athletic football company Ltd, Charlton Athletic holdings ltd and Baton 2010 Ltd are Roland Duchatelet, Richard Murray and Steve Gallen.
But ESI have now said they deferred the payment in order to get the deal over the line, which makes total sense.
So 'in the media [it] is known that ESI have paid 65,000.000 Pounds for this acquisition' isn't correct as far as I can see.
Perhaps they've agreed to pay £50m for Charlton Holdings, a Pound for the club, and have promised to invest £15m in the training ground. Is this where the £65m comes from?
However, the £65m is entirely made up. It has not been confirmed, documented and published. It's a guess. A phantom number. Made up by someone, copied by others and found its way into reliable - and otherwise - media outlets. And, since it's been unchallenged, it's been assumed to be accurate.
Any of us, if convinced that £65m is the right number, can have further guesses as to how it's made up. We can have a go at reconciling an estimate as to the real estate value; with a guess as to the goodwill; added to a recognition as to future revenues based on promotions, reduced by the costs of wages, salaries, depreciation and costs of ownership; and an approximation as to the ongoing costs of the directors' loans on the business. And we could make that all add up to £65m. Or any number less than that. Or more.
It's really not worth getting stuck on. Sixty-five million quid hasn't changed hands. And no figure approaching it will change hands until the full ownership of all aspects of the club has changed from Roland to ESI. That's still months off.
It seems clear now that ESI has not bought Charlton Athletic Holdings, but has bought Charlton Athletic FC. There's a lot about this on the "Who Owns The Valley?" thread. (Maybe your little birdie had been talking to someone who'd been reading that?)
Until the ownership of CAH and CAFC come under the same umbrella, any suggestion that ESI has paid £65m - or anywhere near it - it apocryphal and misleading.
The recent share issue on 27th Dec was listed in the documents section within a day or so.0 -
Mind you, don't expect too much awareness of East European football on here. When I started a thread about my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, one of our regulars wrote that he always assumed it was a thread about an East European porn star.Cosmin said:
Oh ,sorry about that , my badJustinho_FCD said:
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Al-Ain mate.Cosmin said:
Come on ,you never heard of Dinamo? Thats meantangoflash said:
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PragueAddick said:
Mind you, don't expect too much awareness of East European football on here. When I started a thread about my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, one of our regulars wrote that he always assumed it was a thread about an East European porn star.Cosmin said:
Oh ,sorry about that , my badJustinho_FCD said:
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Al-Ain mate.Cosmin said:
Come on ,you never heard of Dinamo? Thats meantangoflash said:
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Come on , maybe he was joking .
If he wasn’t, i would have liked to see his face after he typed Viktoria Plzen on Pornhub0 -
At the moment they are typical Charlton owners, all hot air and no substance.
Hope it changes but not convinced at present.1 -
Very early days in a difficult period of the year to sign ‘the right’ players. Too much still to play for up and down the country and overseas. That said, genuinely believe that the new owners and Gallen are working tirelessly to get some players that will improve us in and equally want to sort the coaching situation out. Frustrated for Lee and team, but sense not for the lack of new owners’ trying, so not worried and impressed with the bits of vision and strategy they have shared to date.3
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Oh dear here we go again. We will end up panic buying on the 31st like we always do with sub standard players. The fact is you have to pay over the odds to get players in now its that simple. Looks like we're still trying to get players on the cheap even with money men behind us. Until LB signs players will not commit.
Whats the problem with his contract. 2 weeks it's been on offer! I have big concerns over ESI.4 -
Post worthy of its own thread, surely.Brown59 said:Oh dear here we go again. We will end up panic buying on the 31st like we always do with sub standard players. The fact is you have to pay over the odds to get players in now its that simple. Looks like we're still trying to get players on the cheap even with money men behind us. Until LB signs players will not commit.
Whats the problem with his contract. 2 weeks it's been on offer! I have big concerns over ESI.5 -
Talksport tonight compared Eddie Howe to Curbs time with us for longevity and success. Thoughts.......Nah not having that.carly burn said:Al Ain0 -
Starting to get very concerned about the time Bowyer's contact us taking to sort out. They want him, he wants to stay. What's the problem????????Henry Irving said:
Post worthy of its own thread, surely.Brown59 said:Oh dear here we go again. We will end up panic buying on the 31st like we always do with sub standard players. The fact is you have to pay over the odds to get players in now its that simple. Looks like we're still trying to get players on the cheap even with money men behind us. Until LB signs players will not commit.
Whats the problem with his contract. 2 weeks it's been on offer! I have big concerns over ESI.1 -
Indeed - what Eddie Howe has achieved with Bournemouth is far more astounding.The Prince-e-Paul said:
Talksport tonight compared Eddie Howe to Curbs time with us for longevity and success. Thoughts.......Nah not having that.carly burn said:Al Ain1 -
The bright new future doesn't seem so bright anymore. A multi billionaire takes over the club, doesn't buy The Valley or SL, can't/won't give LB a contract that he wants to sign & transfer wise seems to be operating under the Belgians budget. What's going on, no wonder there's been people casting doubt over ESI ever since it was announced.The Prince-e-Paul said:
Starting to get very concerned about the time Bowyer's contact us taking to sort out. They want him, he wants to stay. What's the problem????????Henry Irving said:
Post worthy of its own thread, surely.Brown59 said:Oh dear here we go again. We will end up panic buying on the 31st like we always do with sub standard players. The fact is you have to pay over the odds to get players in now its that simple. Looks like we're still trying to get players on the cheap even with money men behind us. Until LB signs players will not commit.
Whats the problem with his contract. 2 weeks it's been on offer! I have big concerns over ESI.8 -
I'm starting to think these lot are just a bunch of fakes...
Southall talks about League one not messing up gulf investment opportunities, so chuffing what, the energy it took to get up was massive, the club is where in needs to be, INVEST you're supposed to be chuffing billionaires...
It's a weird deal that's happened, no one wants to spend, the squad is decimated, looks like a painful death on the horizon, just when we thought, for ONCE we had hit a spot of safety and security.
I'll judge on Feb 1st, but so far I don't like this at all.
Frying pan into the fire
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