‘right! You lot don’t know you’re born, I’ve seen my football club get relegated with two record low points totals, lose 8-0, suffer back to back relegations, pay £9 million for a player we never owned, one of our best players turns out to be a nonce, concede thee own goals within 15 minutes of each other and go almost an entire calendar without winning a home game and I’m not even 25 years old yet!’
The three own goals was against us as well wasn't it! I was at that game but had kind of forgotten about it. I think we definitely have more bogey teams than teams for whom we are their bogey team, but I think we can definitely claim to be Sunderland's.
Not sure about that.
First time I went to Roker Park we lost 4-0, though I id win £100 for buying the 'lucky programme'.
Would you take the money or the win?
What price do people put on euphoria?
Euphoria is priceless , i used to always back against us when I was a failed gambler in my pomp , happy to pay a price for a win, promotion, staying up etc ... Same with scum I'd back them as a sentimental hedge and be dancing with joy at their failure ,even if it came at a price
Euphoria is priceless and backing Millwall to win is a double edged sword.
Everyone's price is different depending on financial stability.
‘right! You lot don’t know you’re born, I’ve seen my football club get relegated with two record low points totals, lose 8-0, suffer back to back relegations, pay £9 million for a player we never owned, one of our best players turns out to be a nonce, concede thee own goals within 15 minutes of each other and go almost an entire calendar without winning a home game and I’m not even 25 years old yet!’
The three own goals was against us as well wasn't it! I was at that game but had kind of forgotten about it. I think we definitely have more bogey teams than teams for whom we are their bogey team, but I think we can definitely claim to be Sunderland's.
Not sure about that.
First time I went to Roker Park we lost 4-0, though I id win £100 for buying the 'lucky programme'.
Would you take the money or the win?
What price do people put on euphoria?
Happily took the money as I was 17 and still at school. Thinking back, perhaps it was only £50.
It was the last time I did a long away game by coach - took about six hours to get there. A few Charlton fans on the coach were so pissed that by the time we got to Roker Park the OB refused to allow them into the game.
‘right! You lot don’t know you’re born, I’ve seen my football club get relegated with two record low points totals, lose 8-0, suffer back to back relegations, pay £9 million for a player we never owned, one of our best players turns out to be a nonce, concede thee own goals within 15 minutes of each other and go almost an entire calendar without winning a home game and I’m not even 25 years old yet!’
in 2014 Alvarez joined from Inter Milan. Gus Poyet said the Argentinian would be ‘exciting to watch’.
Court documents subsequently showed that the agreement in place was that should Sunderland secure their Premier League status for the following season, the transfer would automatically become permanent, for a sum of €10.5 million, staggered over four payments.
Should they be relegated, Alvarez would return to Inter Milan.
Crucially, the deal also included a clause relating to the chronic patellar tendonitis Alvarez suffered in his left knee. The clause specified that should the problem ‘accelerate’ to the point where he could not perform as a professional in the Premier League, Sunderland would not be obliged to adhere to the agreement should they avoid relegation.
THE INJURY ISSUES
Alvarez played three games before suffering the injury that would come to define the saga.
He was a second-half substitute in a 0-0 draw with Swansea City, but suffered a knee problem that would keep him out of action until December. Crucially, the injury was to his right knee.
Alvarez went on to make 17 appearances during the season, and was taken off at half time in what was Gus Poyet’s final game as manager.
At this stage, court documents showed that a debate between the two clubs began as to whether the player should undergo further surgery. Sunderland wanted to pursue this option, but Inter Milan informed them in May that they did not consent.
THE LEGAL ACTION
Sunderland were still fighting relegation at this stage but the club informed Inter Milan that regardless of their fate, they believed the agreement was invalid.
The argument was presented on two fronts:
The delay and eventual decision over dealing with the injury in March was a breach of the agreement between the two clubs The right knee issue Alvarez was suffering with was an indirect consequence of the left knee issue, and therefore under the terms of the agreement, Sunderland would not obliged to fulfil the permanent clause of the deal
Inter rejected this and when survival was secured, they emailed the Black Cats a congratulary message, reminding them of the terms of the deal.
The case was first heard in July 2015 by the FIFA Players’ Status Committee.
The ruling was in favour of Inter Milan, ultimately deciding that Sunderland were to pay the first installment of the agreed fee, which was €2.5 million.
In the case, Sunderland argued that they had been unaware of the fact that Alvarez had undergone surgery on his right knee in 2012.
In their ruling, the Bureau stated that they believed the Black Cats had an awareness of the player’s injury history and therefore could have extended the scope of the clause to involve both knees, or indeed the player’s fitness generally.
With regards to the 2012 surgery, they ruled that Inter Milan were not at fault. By the time the ruling was delivered, Alvarez had signed and featured for Sampdoria in Serie A, which was used to argue that the player was indeed fit to play professional football.
Sunderland also lost their claim that they should be entitled to remuneration for the time Alvarez had been injured during the loan spell, which they judged to be 63%.
THE NEXT RULING
The case rumbled on and was settled in the Court of Arbitration for Sport in 2017.
The court ruled again that Inter were not at fault over the contentious issue regarding that surgery in 2012. They stated that Sunderland had identified a potential issue in the right knee during the medical, a concern that they ultimately did not act upon.
Sunderland were ordered to pay the transfer fee in full, on the payment schedule initially agreed.
FURTHER COSTS
The Black Cats were stung by a further ruling from the Court of Arbitration for Sport, who ruled that Velez Sarsfield, the Argentinian side where Alvarez began his senior career, were owed €362,500.
This was due to FIFA’s solidarity mechanism, designed to compensate clubs for their development of players.
He writes for the Sunderland Echo, someone has actually asked him if the Sunderland Hierarchy have seen an early release and are wanting stuff changed/removed before it gets put on Netflix
A lot of Sunderland fans on twitter saying they feel it shouldn't be aired as it was a very disappointing season for them and only want positive vibes whilst they're pushing for promotion.....someone pointed out the club would have had to sign an agreement with Netflix to air a 2nd series.
Well, we're all certainly looking forward to seeing it!
Sunderland Echo says it’s being released mid March and it is six episodes instead of eight as of the first season.
They always said this one was only go to be 6, 5 episodes about the league and 1 focused on their EFL trophy run
So no play off final you reckon?
Guessing that will be episode 6.
I think if i remember from what I saw a few weeks ago 1-3 was the first part of the season 4 was the EFL Trophy run 5-6 final part of season and play offs
Sunderland have 100% been putting off the release of this. For Netflix to continuously say they haven’t finalised a date is poor. It has to be from the club in fear of it derailing their season.
Sunderland have 100% been putting off the release of this. For Netflix to continuously say they haven’t finalised a date is poor. It has to be from the club in fear of it derailing their season.
I’m new to Netflix. Do those who have had it for ages recall another example of Netflix delaying a long- anticipated next series? Somebody wrote that they are generally very vague about such things, unlike the BBC. I think the producers said that it isnt a clear process.
Sunderland have 100% been putting off the release of this. For Netflix to continuously say they haven’t finalised a date is poor. It has to be from the club in fear of it derailing their season.
I’m new to Netflix. Do those who have had it for ages recall another example of Netflix delaying a long- anticipated next series? Somebody wrote that they are generally very vague about such things, unlike the BBC. I think the producers said that it isnt a clear process.
It's always a bit more "fluid" than say the BBC. The obvious thing with the BBC is if they havent got thier program ready they have to show something else.
They’re very guarded about their content plans and stats. They see no reason to be transparent about anything!
They don’t hype up releases for months in advance, they tend to just drop it in there and promote it within the app because they know you’ll open it anyway. It’s only because there are supporters or journos with a vested interest in Sunderland that there’s any info out there at all on this one. They may delay stuff a lot, we wouldn’t know! I certainly don’t agree it’s poor to not set a release date. It’s their show, they’ll release it when they’re ready.
They’re very guarded about their content plans and stats. They see no reason to be transparent about anything!
They don’t hype up releases for months in advance, they tend to just drop it in there and promote it within the app because they know you’ll open it anyway. It’s only because there are supporters or journos with a vested interest in Sunderland that there’s any info out there at all on this one. They may delay stuff a lot, we wouldn’t know! I certainly don’t agree it’s poor to not set a release date. It’s their show, they’ll release it when they’re ready.
Ah, but they have allowed it to be "out there" that the new series would/should drop in February. I believe the producers said this. There were links to articles quoting them on here, I will try to find them. I guess also the producers don't get paid -fully- until the show airs. The question being asked (and it may just be an amusing conspiracy theory) is whether they will release it when Sunderland are ready.
I just joined Netflix more or less by accident because I got a new TV where it was all heavily programmed in (Netflix button on the remote, etc). My 30 day trial ends 3 Mar. I planned to keep going , and expecting Sunderland to drop by now was one reason. The other one was to watch "Occupied S3" but for some reason it wasn't made available on Czech Netflix, so I had to end up watching it via my VPN on the laptop, despite being a subscriber. 90% of what they are offering me is US stuff which I have no interest in. I might as well tell them where to shove their subscription and download series 2 of Sunderland illegally, as I did with series 1. Which is also unfair on the creators and producers of the show.
I thought Netflix was supposed to be this ultra-cool and consumer friendly company?
Amazon prime seem to promote their new offerings more widely IE Al Pacino promoting Hunters X on the one show.
Isn't that because Amazon are aggressively chasing market share but NFs have a more mature customer base.
Hunters does look good though!
Yes that’s true. Amazon are playing catch up. They’re a few million customers behind Netflix (who had a blank canvas when they launched), and that’s even slightly fudged by people having Amazon Prime primarily for shopping rather than streaming.
Netflix are levelling out somewhat in terms of customer numbers so it’s more about customer retention for them - and that means dropping films and shows onto the service as regularly as possible. And as Henry says, they’re spending a lot because they have to produce their own, rather than the historic subscription model of studio output deals.
- 70% of revenue goes on content - 2019 budgetted to spend $3.5bn more than it will generate in cash - long term debt of $12bn.
I don't wish them to fail, and Sunderland may well drop tomorrow as suggested above, it being the first day of a new month. Just think they are not quite as cool as suggested, often by those who want to destroy the BBC and public service TV generally.
Meanwhile, sadly for BBC and ITV, BritBox isn’t doing so well. The churn on customers who took the free trial is huge and that’s quite telling.
There’s no doubt that Netflix have helped change the landscape, but without the catalogue of content that Disney can boast, they‘ve got no choice but to spend big in order to catch up. They can’t rely on second hand studio content, especially if the studios pull that content. Which is what Sky Movies are facing next year. My bet is that in 12-18 Months’ time, Sky Movies and Sky Boxsets will be one thing.
Meanwhile, sadly for BBC and ITV, BritBox isn’t doing so well. The churn on customers who took the free trial is huge and that’s quite telling.
There’s no doubt that Netflix have helped change the landscape, but without the catalogue of content that Disney can boast, they‘ve got no choice but to spend big in order to catch up. They can’t rely on second hand studio content, especially if the studios pull that content. Which is what Sky Movies are facing next year. My bet is that in 12-18 Months’ time, Sky Movies and Sky Boxsets will be one thing.
I never thought Britbox would work . Most people watch Netflix and Amazon for great looking new shows . Most of the stuff on Britbox isn’t in HD and has the old 4:3 ratio and looks terrible.
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Everyone's price is different depending on financial stability.
It was the last time I did a long away game by coach - took about six hours to get there. A few Charlton fans on the coach were so pissed that by the time we got to Roker Park the OB refused to allow them into the game.
THE DEAL
in 2014 Alvarez joined from Inter Milan. Gus Poyet said the Argentinian would be ‘exciting to watch’.
Court documents subsequently showed that the agreement in place was that should Sunderland secure their Premier League status for the following season, the transfer would automatically become permanent, for a sum of €10.5 million, staggered over four payments.
Should they be relegated, Alvarez would return to Inter Milan.
Crucially, the deal also included a clause relating to the chronic patellar tendonitis Alvarez suffered in his left knee. The clause specified that should the problem ‘accelerate’ to the point where he could not perform as a professional in the Premier League, Sunderland would not be obliged to adhere to the agreement should they avoid relegation.
THE INJURY ISSUES
Alvarez played three games before suffering the injury that would come to define the saga.
He was a second-half substitute in a 0-0 draw with Swansea City, but suffered a knee problem that would keep him out of action until December. Crucially, the injury was to his right knee.
Alvarez went on to make 17 appearances during the season, and was taken off at half time in what was Gus Poyet’s final game as manager.
At this stage, court documents showed that a debate between the two clubs began as to whether the player should undergo further surgery. Sunderland wanted to pursue this option, but Inter Milan informed them in May that they did not consent.
THE LEGAL ACTION
Sunderland were still fighting relegation at this stage but the club informed Inter Milan that regardless of their fate, they believed the agreement was invalid.
The argument was presented on two fronts:
The delay and eventual decision over dealing with the injury in March was a breach of the agreement between the two clubs The right knee issue Alvarez was suffering with was an indirect consequence of the left knee issue, and therefore under the terms of the agreement, Sunderland would not obliged to fulfil the permanent clause of the deal
Inter rejected this and when survival was secured, they emailed the Black Cats a congratulary message, reminding them of the terms of the deal.
The case was first heard in July 2015 by the FIFA Players’ Status Committee.
The ruling was in favour of Inter Milan, ultimately deciding that Sunderland were to pay the first installment of the agreed fee, which was €2.5 million.
In the case, Sunderland argued that they had been unaware of the fact that Alvarez had undergone surgery on his right knee in 2012.
In their ruling, the Bureau stated that they believed the Black Cats had an awareness of the player’s injury history and therefore could have extended the scope of the clause to involve both knees, or indeed the player’s fitness generally.
With regards to the 2012 surgery, they ruled that Inter Milan were not at fault. By the time the ruling was delivered, Alvarez had signed and featured for Sampdoria in Serie A, which was used to argue that the player was indeed fit to play professional football.
Sunderland also lost their claim that they should be entitled to remuneration for the time Alvarez had been injured during the loan spell, which they judged to be 63%.
THE NEXT RULING
The case rumbled on and was settled in the Court of Arbitration for Sport in 2017.
The court ruled again that Inter were not at fault over the contentious issue regarding that surgery in 2012. They stated that Sunderland had identified a potential issue in the right knee during the medical, a concern that they ultimately did not act upon.
Sunderland were ordered to pay the transfer fee in full, on the payment schedule initially agreed.
FURTHER COSTS
The Black Cats were stung by a further ruling from the Court of Arbitration for Sport, who ruled that Velez Sarsfield, the Argentinian side where Alvarez began his senior career, were owed €362,500.
This was due to FIFA’s solidarity mechanism, designed to compensate clubs for their development of players.
cant wait
He writes for the Sunderland Echo, someone has actually asked him if the Sunderland Hierarchy have seen an early release and are wanting stuff changed/removed before it gets put on Netflix
Well, we're all certainly looking forward to seeing it!
I think if i remember from what I saw a few weeks ago 1-3 was the first part of the season 4 was the EFL Trophy run 5-6 final part of season and play offs
Hunters does look good though!
Netflix is loss making I hear so maybe they need to up their game.
I just joined Netflix more or less by accident because I got a new TV where it was all heavily programmed in (Netflix button on the remote, etc). My 30 day trial ends 3 Mar. I planned to keep going , and expecting Sunderland to drop by now was one reason. The other one was to watch "Occupied S3" but for some reason it wasn't made available on Czech Netflix, so I had to end up watching it via my VPN on the laptop, despite being a subscriber. 90% of what they are offering me is US stuff which I have no interest in. I might as well tell them where to shove their subscription and download series 2 of Sunderland illegally, as I did with series 1. Which is also unfair on the creators and producers of the show.
I thought Netflix was supposed to be this ultra-cool and consumer friendly company?
https://ig.ft.com/netflix-future/ (sorry this will be behind a paywall for some, some snippets below)
- 70% of revenue goes on content
- 2019 budgetted to spend $3.5bn more than it will generate in cash
- long term debt of $12bn.
I don't wish them to fail, and Sunderland may well drop tomorrow as suggested above, it being the first day of a new month. Just think they are not quite as cool as suggested, often by those who want to destroy the BBC and public service TV generally.