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  • cafc2020v2
    cafc2020v2 Posts: 41
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
  • Nadou
    Nadou Posts: 1,729
    Covered End said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    My theory with Bowyer was that when he got the job, he wasn't really looking to be a manager and as we were at such a low point, he was under zero pressure. He was competing at a lower level of course, but he tried to win every game. I was praising him for this at the time and this gave him a real edge over other managers. 

    I think since then things have changed. For one thing Bowyer wants to be a manager now and cares about his image. I have seen him make substitutions, not what I think for us, but to show the world his lack of options. I have seen him play a reduced bench, not because he can't put a youngster on it for some experience, but he wants to tell the world how difficult his job is. That is my take on it. The injuries were not his fault and there is nothing he could do but I think he still wanted everybody to know it. He now cares too much.

    Now we have got players back. But I think Bowyer is too scared of losing and we just don't have a team that can sit back defensively. He is scared because he now feels he has something to lose! But if you are a defensive team and you want it to work, you have to break quickly with numbers and be reliable with your passes at the back and clearances. Now on the whole we can do this sometimes, but we can also fall over at the worst possible time, scuff clearances and fail to pick people up. When we do attack, we don't get players forwards quickly so the player gets outnumbered and gets suffocated of the ball. These things means this approach doesn't suit us. 

    When that is blindingly obvious, it is hard not to get angry with Bowyer. I don't want him out, but I dont want to see us play away like we did against Sheffield and Stoke. It isn't the defeat, but it is tactics that are just not going to get us the points we need to get. Nobody will convince me Sheffield were there for the taking the other night and the fact we didn't try to take them is bloody criminal. And we only lost a point - big deal - we should be going for three points like Barnsley, Wigan and Luton are. When we had a free kick in their half deep into the game - we had a great opportunity to put the wind up them, but we were only interested in playing out a goaless draw because our mindset was so negative.
    Our attacking strategy went well.
    What attacking strategy? Is endless passing back attacking? We played so negatively.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,999
    I worry that Bowyer is showing the same traits as Pardew. A good manager when things go well but unable to reverse a slide.

    Scandalous misuse of Purrington including today. As I said in the match thread before kick off he picked the wrong team for both games. Wednesday was the one to go for it. Desperately need Pratley and Purrington back next week. My view is to stay up we need to finish above 3 from Barnsley Luton, Boro and Hull. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,942
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,511
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
      Tbf, it's difficult to confirm either way.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,098
    Nadou said:
    Covered End said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    My theory with Bowyer was that when he got the job, he wasn't really looking to be a manager and as we were at such a low point, he was under zero pressure. He was competing at a lower level of course, but he tried to win every game. I was praising him for this at the time and this gave him a real edge over other managers. 

    I think since then things have changed. For one thing Bowyer wants to be a manager now and cares about his image. I have seen him make substitutions, not what I think for us, but to show the world his lack of options. I have seen him play a reduced bench, not because he can't put a youngster on it for some experience, but he wants to tell the world how difficult his job is. That is my take on it. The injuries were not his fault and there is nothing he could do but I think he still wanted everybody to know it. He now cares too much.

    Now we have got players back. But I think Bowyer is too scared of losing and we just don't have a team that can sit back defensively. He is scared because he now feels he has something to lose! But if you are a defensive team and you want it to work, you have to break quickly with numbers and be reliable with your passes at the back and clearances. Now on the whole we can do this sometimes, but we can also fall over at the worst possible time, scuff clearances and fail to pick people up. When we do attack, we don't get players forwards quickly so the player gets outnumbered and gets suffocated of the ball. These things means this approach doesn't suit us. 

    When that is blindingly obvious, it is hard not to get angry with Bowyer. I don't want him out, but I dont want to see us play away like we did against Sheffield and Stoke. It isn't the defeat, but it is tactics that are just not going to get us the points we need to get. Nobody will convince me Sheffield were there for the taking the other night and the fact we didn't try to take them is bloody criminal. And we only lost a point - big deal - we should be going for three points like Barnsley, Wigan and Luton are. When we had a free kick in their half deep into the game - we had a great opportunity to put the wind up them, but we were only interested in playing out a goaless draw because our mindset was so negative.
    Our attacking strategy went well.
    What attacking strategy? Is endless passing back attacking? We played so negatively.
    Apologies, I didn't see the game.
    I was basing my comment on the multitude of posts pre kick off, praising LB for the attacking selections. 
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,049
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
    I don’t think so. The results don’t lie. After a great start we’ve been in terminal decline. 
    The new owners didn’t/haven’t done anything to change that. 
    That indicates an unplanned approach to their purchase.
    We’ll see, I suppose, their intentions and abilities better in the close season. I am not optimistic.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,511
    There really is fuck all to be positive about.
  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    bolloxbolder said:
    I worry that Bowyer is showing the same traits as Pardew. A good manager when things go well but unable to reverse a slide.

    Scandalous misuse of Purrington including today. As I said in the match thread before kick off he picked the wrong team for both games. Wednesday was the one to go for it. Desperately need Pratley and Purrington back next week. My view is to stay up we need to finish above 3 from Barnsley Luton, Boro and Hull. 
    What a load of nonsense. A few weeks ago people were comparing Bowyer to Curbs
  • cafc2020v2
    cafc2020v2 Posts: 41
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
    Ok prove to me with evidence that I'm talking rubbish. The evidence to support my claim is for all to see from the moment ESI walked through the door.

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  • cblock
    cblock Posts: 1,963
    Time to stick together, players and fans.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,511
    cblock said:
    Time to stick together, players and fans.
     Tell that to the hundreds that travelled to Sheffield and Huddersfield in some of the worst conditions we've seen for years.

    They're doing their bit.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,942
    cafc2020v2 said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
    Ok prove to me with evidence that I'm talking rubbish. The evidence to support my claim is for all to see from the moment ESI walked through the door.
    What evidence are you talking about to support your claim? You've expressed an opinion, not provided any evidence. And I've expressed my opinion. 

    Unless either of us has access to their bank accounts that's the way it's going to stay.


  • cblock
    cblock Posts: 1,963
    carly burn said:
    cblock said:
    Time to stick together, players and fans.
     Tell that to the hundreds that travelled to Sheffield and Huddersfield in some of the worst conditions we've seen for years.

    They're doing their bit.
    carly burn said:
    cblock said:
    Time to stick together, players and fans.
     Tell that to the hundreds that travelled to Sheffield and Huddersfield in some of the worst conditions we've seen for years.

    They're doing their bit.
    ok  wave the white stick
  • BenHaimandBikey
    BenHaimandBikey Posts: 510
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
    Ok prove to me with evidence that I'm talking rubbish. The evidence to support my claim is for all to see from the moment ESI walked through the door.
    What evidence are you talking about to support your claim? You've expressed an opinion, not provided any evidence. And I've expressed my opinion. 

    Unless either of us has access to their bank accounts that's the way it's going to stay.


    I'm a billionaire in my opinion.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,921
    It’s amazing how Wigan, rooted in relegation and offloading their main striker right at the death of  transfer window day with no replacement, are no longer ‘f***ed’
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,797
    The roots of this defeat were formed on Wednesday. I will say no more as sometimes it is best not to say anything.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,942
    BenHaimandBikey said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
    Ok prove to me with evidence that I'm talking rubbish. The evidence to support my claim is for all to see from the moment ESI walked through the door.
    What evidence are you talking about to support your claim? You've expressed an opinion, not provided any evidence. And I've expressed my opinion. 

    Unless either of us has access to their bank accounts that's the way it's going to stay.


    I'm a billionaire in my opinion.
    Lend us a tenner?
  • BenHaimandBikey
    BenHaimandBikey Posts: 510
    Off_it said:
    BenHaimandBikey said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
    Ok prove to me with evidence that I'm talking rubbish. The evidence to support my claim is for all to see from the moment ESI walked through the door.
    What evidence are you talking about to support your claim? You've expressed an opinion, not provided any evidence. And I've expressed my opinion. 

    Unless either of us has access to their bank accounts that's the way it's going to stay.


    I'm a billionaire in my opinion.
    Lend us a tenner?
    Take this post as a contractual agreement to give you a tenner once I've done due diligence on you as an upstanding member of CL.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,942
    BenHaimandBikey said:
    Off_it said:
    BenHaimandBikey said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    Off_it said:
    cafc2020v2 said:
    I'm gonna come out and say it guys. We are fucked with these owners. They do not have the money or the experience to give the right support to Lee Bowyer the team or any one else at the club. They are out of their depth financially and strategically.
    I'm gonna come out and say it, you're talking rubbish.
    Ok prove to me with evidence that I'm talking rubbish. The evidence to support my claim is for all to see from the moment ESI walked through the door.
    What evidence are you talking about to support your claim? You've expressed an opinion, not provided any evidence. And I've expressed my opinion. 

    Unless either of us has access to their bank accounts that's the way it's going to stay.


    I'm a billionaire in my opinion.
    Lend us a tenner?
    Take this post as a contractual agreement to give you a tenner once I've done due diligence on you as an upstanding member of CL.
    "Give" - thanks!
    :-)

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  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,511
    edited February 2020
    AFKABartram said:
    It’s amazing how Wigan, rooted in relegation and offloading their main striker right at the death of  transfer window day with no replacement, are no longer ‘f***ed’
     Knew we should've let Taylor go.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    edited February 2020
    AFKABartram said:
    It’s amazing how Wigan, rooted in relegation and offloading their main striker right at the death of  transfer window day with no replacement, are no longer ‘f***ed’

    Everyone from Huddersfield down are still at risk of relegation.
  • Ross
    Ross Posts: 4,414
    Dazzler21 said:
    AFKABartram said:
    It’s amazing how Wigan, rooted in relegation and offloading their main striker right at the death of  transfer window day with no replacement, are no longer ‘f***ed’

    Everyone from Huddersfield down are still at risk of relegation.
    The problem is the teams below us (or were below us) are winning....
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    edited February 2020
    Ross said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    AFKABartram said:
    It’s amazing how Wigan, rooted in relegation and offloading their main striker right at the death of  transfer window day with no replacement, are no longer ‘f***ed’

    Everyone from Huddersfield down are still at risk of relegation.
    The problem is the teams below us (or were below us) are winning....
    Yeah before that we were winning and they were losing.

    And before that we were all losing.

    Things change all the time. 10 games to survive.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,502
    We're not very good - who is worse than us?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,049
    carly burn said:
    cblock said:
    Time to stick together, players and fans.
     Tell that to the hundreds that travelled to Sheffield and Huddersfield in some of the worst conditions we've seen for years.

    They're doing their bit.
    Eh? - What bad conditions?
  • IAgree
    IAgree Posts: 1,839
    What now?!
  • Gillis
    Gillis Posts: 998
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    We're not very good - who is worse than us?
    Form over the last 10 games:
    Form over the last 5 games:

    Middlesbrough and Hull are in worse form than us, and we still have to play both of them this season.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,502
    Gillis said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    We're not very good - who is worse than us?
    Form over the last 10 games:
    Form over the last 5 games:

    Middlesbrough and Hull are in worse form than us, and we still have to play both of them this season.
    We have to beat them then...
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Would people be at critical of ESI if we were still teetering on the edge of the play offs, regardless of 6 month agreements etc? Genuinely just asking

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