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Charlton furlough staff
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Who has made that decision?4
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Hope the king of Twitter blocking is proud of himself knowing that valuable money that could have been used to help the situation is no longer available....9
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What a mess this club is.0
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Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
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What a fucking awful club we have become. (I’m talking about the SMT).Almost ashamed to admit I support Charlton these days.1
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Well maybe we could have done had it not been spent on needless shite like Range Rovers, extortionate rent for a penthouse flat and ‘consultancy fees’MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
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Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.17 -
I get the goodwill gesture but with no money coming in can any SME business afford to be charitable? The club doesn't even make a profit.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
Staff can make up the extra 20% with no travel expenses, mortgage pauses, Sky & BT subscription pauses etc. Not saying it's perfect and I sympathize fully with anyone on furlough but I don't think any club outside the Premier League will make up the extra 20%, fair play if they do.
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We have. That said, we've also furloughed the playing staff.MartinCAFC said:
I get the goodwill gesture but with no money coming in can any SME business afford to be charitable? The club doesn't even make a profit.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
Staff can make up the extra 20% with no travel expenses, mortgage pauses, Sky & BT subscription pauses etc. Not saying it's perfect and I sympathize fully with anyone on furlough but I don't think any club outside the Premier League will make up the extra 20%, fair play if they do.
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The amount of shit these poor people have had to deal with over the last few years and now this.
Whilst they (hopefully) will still get some kind of income, they will be sick with worry about the future.
I hope they're ok and can come through this.
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Who exactly have they furloughed?What consists of back room and medical?0
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So why not first furlough the staff earning thousand per week instead of those on, or near, minimum wage?MartinCAFC said:
I get the goodwill gesture but with no money coming in can any SME business afford to be charitable? The club doesn't even make a profit.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
Staff can make up the extra 20% with no travel expenses, mortgage pauses, Sky & BT subscription pauses etc. Not saying it's perfect and I sympathize fully with anyone on furlough but I don't think any club outside the Premier League will make up the extra 20%, fair play if they do.0 -
Correction....we haven't furloughed the playing side as rules prevent any company from doing so if employees are still 'working' (in this case it's due to the players being on personal training programmes).
It's just the non playing staff.
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The furlough scheme is designed to protect jobs that would otherwise have been made redundant. Redundancy: work of that nature has diminished or ceased at that location.Why would anyone be against any organisation using a scheme to protect jobs, rather than throw people out of work? Why is a football club different to a restaurant, pub, hairdressers et al?We are not talking about £50k a week footballers here - these are operational staff, many of whom would not be on much more than the minimum wage.34
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Furlough has been introduced to enable businesses to offset cost and ensure there is a business to return to. Millions are furloughed. I don't see why Charlton doing this is wrong?16
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I don't have any problem with Charlton or any SME using the furlough scheme.bobmunro said:The furlough scheme is designed to protect jobs that would otherwise have been made redundant. Redundancy: work of that nature has diminished or ceased at that location.Why would anyone be against any organisation using a scheme to protect jobs, rather than throw people out of work? Why is a football club different to a restaurant, pub, hairdressers et al?We are not talking about £50k a week footballers here - these are operational staff, many of whom would not be on much more than the minimum wage.
There are two questions for me.
Who made this decision?
What is the rationale for not paying the remaining 20% given the central funding available?
More importantly to me personally, I hope the staff I know, and those I don't, are ok and able to get through this.7 -
Our medical staff should be sacked not furloughed!sammy391 said:Who exactly have they furloughed?What consists of back room and medical?8 -
Assuming you mean the playing staff I'm assuming the club are still asking the players to train at home so they would have to still pay them in full?DRAddick said:
So why not first furlough the staff earning thousand per week instead of those on, or near, minimum wage?MartinCAFC said:
I get the goodwill gesture but with no money coming in can any SME business afford to be charitable? The club doesn't even make a profit.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
Staff can make up the extra 20% with no travel expenses, mortgage pauses, Sky & BT subscription pauses etc. Not saying it's perfect and I sympathize fully with anyone on furlough but I don't think any club outside the Premier League will make up the extra 20%, fair play if they do.0 -
Maybe you should try running a business during the current pandemic then you would see how utterly ridiculous that statement is.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.10 -
Yes, nobody wants to lose 20% of their income, but most people are currently spending far less than they normally do anyway, so it's not the hardship it could be otherwise.MartinCAFC said:
I get the goodwill gesture but with no money coming in can any SME business afford to be charitable? The club doesn't even make a profit.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
Staff can make up the extra 20% with no travel expenses, mortgage pauses, Sky & BT subscription pauses etc. Not saying it's perfect and I sympathize fully with anyone on furlough but I don't think any club outside the Premier League will make up the extra 20%, fair play if they do.4 -
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It's in the press that Barratt London made a profit of £900m last year but it didn't stop them furloughing all staff last week. If that is acceptable then there is no need to bash CAFC over the head for using the scheme.
Tottenham and Liverpool did it too (though Liverpool did a u-turn following public outcry)
Make no mistake - this Corona Virus and Charlton's ongoing owneship saga threaten the very existence of our club right now so any help we can get I fully expect us to take
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I don't personally see the problem. Many staff still get 80% of their wages whilst not working, that's just reflecting a large portion of the UK right now.4
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It's not even 20% anyway when you take into consider tax, NI, pension and any student loan deduction. More likely looking at people being around 12% down on their usual wages.killerandflash said:
Yes, nobody wants to lose 20% of their income, but most people are currently spending far less than they normally do anyway, so it's not the hardship it could be otherwise.MartinCAFC said:
I get the goodwill gesture but with no money coming in can any SME business afford to be charitable? The club doesn't even make a profit.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
Staff can make up the extra 20% with no travel expenses, mortgage pauses, Sky & BT subscription pauses etc. Not saying it's perfect and I sympathize fully with anyone on furlough but I don't think any club outside the Premier League will make up the extra 20%, fair play if they do.
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Because we're meant to be backed by rich owners who are ready to invest in the club. This is just further evidence that they're potless.bobmunro said:The furlough scheme is designed to protect jobs that would otherwise have been made redundant. Redundancy: work of that nature has diminished or ceased at that location.Why would anyone be against any organisation using a scheme to protect jobs, rather than throw people out of work? Why is a football club different to a restaurant, pub, hairdressers et al?We are not talking about £50k a week footballers here - these are operational staff, many of whom would not be on much more than the minimum wage.1 -
My only real question would be why didn't this happen weeks ago?
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Don't have a problem with this at all Outside of the premier league. I can see most, if not all, football league clubs furloughing non playing staff.
In fact, I think many clubs in the lower leagues will cancel playing contracts as theyll be unable to pay them, leading to lots of big legal disputes1 -
Maybe the people running that business should have spunked money on Range Rovers and 12k a month flats.northstandsteve said:
Maybe you should try running a business during the current pandemic then you would see how utterly ridiculous that statement is.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
I totally understand the furlough situation and agree with it. It was more a dig at Charlton than anything else.
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Seems like a sensible decision to me3
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I really don't think it shows that at all.Croydon said:
Because we're meant to be backed by rich owners who are ready to invest in the club. This is just further evidence that they're potless.bobmunro said:The furlough scheme is designed to protect jobs that would otherwise have been made redundant. Redundancy: work of that nature has diminished or ceased at that location.Why would anyone be against any organisation using a scheme to protect jobs, rather than throw people out of work? Why is a football club different to a restaurant, pub, hairdressers et al?We are not talking about £50k a week footballers here - these are operational staff, many of whom would not be on much more than the minimum wage.
QPR, Derby, Millwall and I don't know how many other championship clubs furloughed staff weeks ago.
It's the logical decision to make as a HR director has said on this thread.
I don't think the use of the scheme in its self proves anything either way about Charlton as we far from unique.
Not paying the 20% perhaps does but I'm not sure how that will work out as yet or what other clubs are doing.3 -
killerandflash said:
Yes, nobody wants to lose 20% of their income, but most people are currently spending far less than they normally do anyway, so it's not the hardship it could be otherwise.MartinCAFC said:
I get the goodwill gesture but with no money coming in can any SME business afford to be charitable? The club doesn't even make a profit.ricky_otto said:
Because it’s the right thing to do - let’s not forget how many times they have been shit upon in the past we well.MartinCAFC said:Copied from the bonkers thread.
Why would you pay the extra 20% if you don't have any money coming in and weren't obliged to? Nothing to read into this.
Staff can make up the extra 20% with no travel expenses, mortgage pauses, Sky & BT subscription pauses etc. Not saying it's perfect and I sympathize fully with anyone on furlough but I don't think any club outside the Premier League will make up the extra 20%, fair play if they do.Speak for yourself. The Belarusian and Nicaraguan reserve leagues are ridiculously difficult to predict and don't get me started on Esports!!
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