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Lyle Taylor - August 2025 signed for Chelmsford City (p295)

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  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    My first thought when I heard this was I can't blame him. He hasn't been treated well. You would expect a club being run by anybody who knows even a little bit about football and players that you keep you best players happy. I suppose that lets us out. We still have Bowyer and if anybody can keep us up, he can though.

    And the reality is, players that don't know if their wages are going to be paid until the last minute and are out of contract in a few weeks have probably lined up their next club and if so will be under instructions not to risk injury.
    Maybe he shouldn’t have buggered off to play for Monserrat.

    sorry if others have already said this - don’t have time to read the posts.
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,234
    The one thing I will say is that Lee Bowyer comes out of this whole sorry saga very well indeed. He’s never really been my cup of cocoa but he has shown levels of integrity, spirit, loyalty and leadership throughout the last 18 months that I would not have credited the younger version of himself with at all. This morning’s interview saw him paint the Lyle situation as an unfortunate and unpleasant bump in the road. But that is all it is. He, and we, have priorities now so let’s get on. He has a squad of players to motivate and prepare that is two down in numbers from yesterday (I’m treating Davis as an irrelevance) and that is what it is now all about. Fair play Lee. I didn’t think you would have it in you but I’m delighted to eat humble pie. 
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    I've lost all respect for him as well. I have supported us for almost 60 years & he was definitely in my top 10 favourite players, not just for his goalscoring but also for his fantastic work rate. He should play while under contract then he could have left with almost everyone's blessing.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Dazzler21 said:
    Sacking and suing a player during a worldwide pandemic isn't a good look. 

    I feel like Taylor knows that Charlton can't do anything without coming off as the bad side. So he can do what he likes. 

    It sucks and we're probably relegated, but he's making a decision he feels benefits him the most. 
    Funny 

    Matt Southall made decisions he felt would benefit him the most too.
    Southall wasn't being 'forced' to play football during a worldwide pandemic. 

    I'm surprised more footballers aren't coming out and telling the EFL to get stuffed. They're being asked to risk their lives to 'improve morale' for the population. Treated like commodities and not people. 
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    edited June 2020
    Not going to over the top but very disappointing. He should at least play to the end of his contract ie the games up to and including the 30th of June. In any profession you give your best to the end no matter what the next job and how attractive it is. You can get injured at anytime could have happened in April or March. Respect the contract.
    Respect is a two way street.

    Taylor could have said that he had a back injury but didn't. Given the amount of abuse as a result of the Club suggesting that he had refused to sign an improved contract I'm not all together surprised by his stance.

    Southall turned fans against him and Bowyer (who let us not forget happily signed a new contract) did not tell us the actual situation either with regards to Taylor or the embargo.

    Don't pay him from the time he stops playing for us. They might well be only one or two games.
    When did fans turn against Lyle? A very small number of users on twitter maybe mouthed off but dont think that can be considered a true reflection of Charlton fans feelings towards Lyle. 
    Really? Below are just some of the comments on this thread alone - imagine what was being said about him on some of our other forums!

    How would any of us feel reading this when we know the truth is totally different?

    (1) Bit bored of it all now, he will be offered a new contract ( a better offer than Roland’s ) and he may or may not accept if he doesn’t then may aswell go now so we can get a bit of coin and better than having a want away player, he isn’t proven at this level due to injuries - I don’t doubt that he is a good player but he isn’t proving so would be a big punt by any of the other championship clubs. 

    (2) You'd think Taylor could at least RESPOND to the contract offer. That's pretty disrespectful IMO.

    (3) If this is the case we need to draw a line and move on quick, get him out and get someone in, a demotivated Taylor is no good in a relegation battle. 

    (4) Big fan of that. Wanted us to keep Taylor but he’s clearly got no interest in staying with the club

    (5) Do think it's pretty poor that he did not at least respond to the contract offer. 

    (6) Maybe this is all part of the negotiation - we need things sorted ASAP, taylor probably knows the closer to transfer deadline we get, the higher the offers may be - we can’t let it drag on that’s for sure without a plan b

    Read somewhere yesterday that the Brentford manager is happy with the strikers hes got including the new lad so is probably not going to sign another one. Reckon Lyles off to Rangers,more money,still a big fish and european football.

    (6) Honestly if it is as it seems and Lyle is dicking about and leaving the club in the dark then I am a fan of them removing the offer. No player bigger than the club and all that. 

    (7) Oh he’s well out of order not responding to their offer fuck him 

    (8) oh he has responded , well he’s a greedy sod not taking our offer and looking elsewhere fuck him 

    (9) I was told weeks ago that Lyle was offered 16k per week on a take it or leave it offer.

    (10) Said after the Swansea game that he wasjt injured. Did sod all during that first 45 mins & then is replaced due to a "thigh injury". Now unavailable for the next 2-3 weeks so "cant" play for us. You can bet your bottom dollar he will be fit though for whoever he signs for....(but then who is going to sign a player who is currently injured & struggled to play 90 mins when he was back from his recent injury.......perhaps a club who knows it's all baloney).

    (11) God job Lyle's off twitter atm. Expect to see that turned back on again once he's left.

    (12) Fuck him, wanker.

    (13) End of the day you cant have one player on 30k a week and everyone else on 6k 

    (14) Taylor is 29. His agent thinks he can get more than we are offering.

    (15) The situation is not at all similar to Yann, who was on a contract, did not want to leave, and, frankly, iI believe ESI will spend any money received it a target that Bowyer choses.

    (16) This is about Lyle getting to the Prem, so even if we match an offer from a Leeds or Brentford, then he is going to leave.

    (17) The situation kind of sums up modern day football really - can't begrudge him a big payday when we've had fantastic value from him, but equally a real shame when there is no loyalty to the coaches at CAFC who've brought the best out of him.

    (18) Well, it's a similar "lack of loyalty" that took him from Wimbledon to us, so we just have to accept this is how football is...

    (19) Oh and anyone not a 15 year old girl who pays any mind to what footballers or others say on twitter needs to have a long hard look at themselves:-)

    (20) I would dearly love to be proved wrong.....but don't be surprised to see him in the starting line up in a couple weeks for his new club without a care in the world (and no injury)

    (21) Taylor rejects offer = Greedy

    Taylor accepts offer = ESI really moving us forwards towards the PL

    (22) A statement of intent by the new owners,they will not be messed about. no doubt Taylor would have loved the option of signing the new deal if he fails to get any better offers,that option is now removed.I personally think that he will struggle to match the alleged deal we have offered due to his recent injury problems and his age,still his agent knows best.Fully support the new owners on this. 

    (23) Will only start to worry if it transpires that ESI are a lot of happy, welcoming types with no budget for Gallen and Bowyer to play with, but no reason to suspect that, quite the contrary

    (24) Player doesn’t want to be here - obvs going to play for a bigger club than Charlton - his choice, thanks for the goals you aren’t a “hero” and best of luck. 

    (25) Would imagine Bowyer and Gallen would be in ESI's ear to offer everything to Lyle. The offer won't have been retracted without them knowing so or probably having some say in it, let's just see what happens.

    (26) I heard the same. 

    Stormed out & went home. 

    (27) Lyles tantrum for not getting his life changing move to Brentford and subsequent lack of effort in our early season matches prove he’s a waste of time , move him on 

    (28) It already seems that we're going to see a more business-like approach to running the club. 

    To be honest I would not say all them comments suggest the person who posted it has turned against lyle. The last one for example (28) It already seems that we're going to see a more business-like approach to running the club. Cant see that would suggest that poster has turned against Lyle. It says at the time they felt we would see a more businesslike approach to running the club.  

     I bet if i went back through this whole thread If I could be bothered I would find just as many if not more supporting Lyle saying things like i would not begrudge him a move at his age etc. 

    The fans have never turned against Lyle, some maybe but the fanbase as a whole I don't think you can say that. I think Lyle has always had more support and backing than most players over the last couple years within the ground when warming up etc. 

    Its like saying Charlton fans wanted Curbs gone as he had taken as as far as he could. Yes again a minority said this and it is assumed and believed the majority did. 




  • Dazzler21 said:
    Sacking and suing a player during a worldwide pandemic isn't a good look. 

    I feel like Taylor knows that Charlton can't do anything without coming off as the bad side. So he can do what he likes. 

    It sucks and we're probably relegated, but he's making a decision he feels benefits him the most. 
    Funny 

    Matt Southall made decisions he felt would benefit him the most too.
    Southall wasn't being 'forced' to play football during a worldwide pandemic. 

    I'm surprised more footballers aren't coming out and telling the EFL to get stuffed. They're being asked to risk their lives to 'improve morale' for the population. Treated like commodities and not people. 
    Obviously you haven't read anything on this thread.

    Taylor hasn't refused to play because of Covid, he's refusing to play because he doesn't want to get injured.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    Dazzler21 said:
    Sacking and suing a player during a worldwide pandemic isn't a good look. 

    I feel like Taylor knows that Charlton can't do anything without coming off as the bad side. So he can do what he likes. 

    It sucks and we're probably relegated, but he's making a decision he feels benefits him the most. 
    Funny 

    Matt Southall made decisions he felt would benefit him the most too.
    Southall wasn't being 'forced' to play football during a worldwide pandemic. 

    I'm surprised more footballers aren't coming out and telling the EFL to get stuffed. They're being asked to risk their lives to 'improve morale' for the population. Treated like commodities and not people. 
    Yeah, I fully understand players who feel they should not play, because of the Covid-19 and risk to family members.

    But a professional refusing to play during the remainder of his contract, in order to 'protect' himself against any possible injury because he wants to sign a lucrative new contract at another club - is surely in breach of contract?





  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Dazzler21 said:
    Sacking and suing a player during a worldwide pandemic isn't a good look. 

    I feel like Taylor knows that Charlton can't do anything without coming off as the bad side. So he can do what he likes. 

    It sucks and we're probably relegated, but he's making a decision he feels benefits him the most. 
    Funny 

    Matt Southall made decisions he felt would benefit him the most too.
    Southall wasn't being 'forced' to play football during a worldwide pandemic. 

    I'm surprised more footballers aren't coming out and telling the EFL to get stuffed. They're being asked to risk their lives to 'improve morale' for the population. Treated like commodities and not people. 
    He's not being forced to play. 

    He's made a decision not to play for reasons unrelated to the pandemic. 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,733
    edited June 2020
    I don't know if this has been mentioned but him refusing to play could have Something to do with Middlesbrough.

    Rumours are that they are favourites to sign him and them also being in the relegation dogfight , someone may have had a word with him to refuse to play giving them a much better chance of staying up if we don't have our best striker?

    It's a conspiracy theory but it would't surprise me. 
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    This issue is exactly why the season should be voided. The previously level playing field has been removed. 

    As for Taylor,  I personally feel badly let down. He knows he is and I am told likes to be seen as our talisman. He knows the damage his absence will do to our survival hopes. He could have left at the end of the season a legend. Now he's just another decent player in our checkered history.
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  • I wish he'd play the ones in June, but if he doesn't play, he won't get paid and that's his choice really isn't it?

    I don't think it paints him in a great light, but I also think the financial implications are huge for him so most sensible people will understand his motive.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Nobody begrudges Lyle leaving, leaving in January would have been a bit rude and in the summer would have been very distasteful, but as of 1 July he can do whatever he likes. It saddens me that people think we've turned against him because he's leaving...

    We know he's leaving, we just don't like his refusal to play any games prior to 1 July. 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    All these rumours are according to Bowyer. A man that would benefit from the fan pressure to get Taylor to play out the remainder of his contract. 

    I'll wait until Taylor himself speaks and explains his reasoning. 
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Didn't know Buck Rogers was Charlton
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Yes he should have got a better contract and I don't blame him for wanting to move on for more money, but let's not forget, that Taylor has been earning in his 2 years with us massively more than I would imagine 99.9% of us on this board do or even will, and in real terms a lot more than the Leaburns and Nelsons ever did, with the wage inflation in football.

    It does irritate me when players like Tyrone Mings talk about how money is driving  the return of football as if the players are victims in all this, like minimum wage Amazon warehouse staff being forced to work in dangerous conditions so that Bezos can make more billions, when THEY are the main beneficiaries of the TV money in football. Their salaries and lifestyle are directly because of it, and with that comes responsibilities back to the league and the clubs
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,733
    All these rumours are according to Bowyer. A man that would benefit from the fan pressure to get Taylor to play out the remainder of his contract. 

    I'll wait until Taylor himself speaks and explains his reasoning. 
    Bowyer didn't say they were rumours. He said he'd spoken to Lyle. That's fact in my eyes.

  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,843
    All these rumours are according to Bowyer. A man that would benefit from the fan pressure to get Taylor to play out the remainder of his contract. 

    I'll wait until Taylor himself speaks and explains his reasoning. 

    There is not a chance that fan pressure would make Taylor change his mind, nor should it be the case.
    Moreover, if I was Pratley or Williams for example then I wouldn't want someone playing alongside me who was not giving 100%.
    It's done, no going back.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    My first thought when I heard this was I can't blame him. He hasn't been treated well. You would expect a club being run by anybody who knows even a little bit about football and players that you keep you best players happy. I suppose that lets us out. We still have Bowyer and if anybody can keep us up, he can though.

    And the reality is, players that don't know if their wages are going to be paid until the last minute and are out of contract in a few weeks have probably lined up their next club and if so will be under instructions not to risk injury.

    but that happens to hundreds of players every season who are coming to the end of their contracts but they don't down tools and refuse to play. I have no problem with Lyle doing what he likes from 1st July as it's eff all to do with us then but until 30th June he should play and if he get's injured then tough, it's happened before and it will happen again.

  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,991
    Dazzler21 said:
    Sacking and suing a player during a worldwide pandemic isn't a good look. 

    I feel like Taylor knows that Charlton can't do anything without coming off as the bad side. So he can do what he likes. 

    It sucks and we're probably relegated, but he's making a decision he feels benefits him the most. 
    Funny 

    Matt Southall made decisions he felt would benefit him the most too.
    Southall wasn't being 'forced' to play football during a worldwide pandemic. 

    I'm surprised more footballers aren't coming out and telling the EFL to get stuffed. They're being asked to risk their lives to 'improve morale' for the population. Treated like commodities and not people. 
    Bloody hell, how many times do you need telling?
    According to Bowyer, it's not to do with the pandemic, it's to do with the greedy bastard, refusing to play as he doesn't want to get injured.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    edited June 2020


    Plotting not having to play a game for Charlton again. 😉

    With @Ollywozere snooping behind them.
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  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,699
    All these rumours are according to Bowyer. A man that would benefit from the fan pressure to get Taylor to play out the remainder of his contract. 

    I'll wait until Taylor himself speaks and explains his reasoning. 
    Id take the word of Bowyer over Taylor's all day long and twice on Sundays.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,991
    All these rumours are according to Bowyer. A man that would benefit from the fan pressure to get Taylor to play out the remainder of his contract. 

    I'll wait until Taylor himself speaks and explains his reasoning. 
    But you didn't wait.
    You supported Taylor for not playing due to Covid19 concerns.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Scoham said:
    Rumours on the reliable source that is Facebook that Lyle is only training and won't be playing for us again. Apparently he doesn't want to risk getting injured.
    Nah don’t buy that. If he wasn’t playing for us again, I’m sure the club wouldn’t have him in for training / providing his twice weekly testing etc.
    Wouldn't you have him in for training anyway in the hope that he'd change his mind once he was back in the swing of things?

    Longshot probably but one worth taking I'd say.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Solly is out of contract as well, choosing not to play. 

    Won't get half the abuse that Taylor will. 
    If fear of injury is behind it with Solly that's more understandable.

    With his medical history he will needs to give himself every chance to find another club if we've offered nothing to someone that's given us 10 good years.

    Loyalty cuts both ways.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Was gonna say that it don't seem like any other reasons LT has made this decision, listening to Bowyer's interview (eg; Court cases / Covid etc.), and I personally don't buy into the idea that Bowyer would play silly games like using "fan pressure" to get a player to turn out. Also don't think LT would give a sh1t what fans were saying to him regarding his "big move" **chortles**
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,103
    IF ... A BIG if ... that he’s signed an agreement with Middlesbrough or any other relegation candidate, and they don’t want him to play, that would surely be a conflict of interests that the EFL would want to investigate. As others have said, a good reason for the season to be voided 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,669
    Been painting all day so just catching up with this thread. 

    I'm not surprised by Taylor's decision as he has never shown loyalty in his career. 
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe including loans he has played for 14 different clubs. 
    The longest he has ever hung around is 3 years at Wimbledon. 
    He is not particularly in love with football and only sees it as a way of earning as much as he can.
    I have no problem with that as he has never played top flight football and has never been a big earner (in footballing terms).
    But refusing to play now with us in our current position is poor form in my opinion. 
    Thanks for what you done while you was here Lyle but you are leaving us in the shit.
    I personally will never remember him with the same amount of affection and respect that I do for Mendonca and Kermorgant and others.
    So jog on and leave us to try and fight our way out of this mess .
  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,601
    It does not look like he is actually refusing to honour his contract to the end of June. It’s more like he has said to Bowyer, if you pick me, I will play. But, I will not run very fast, I will not tackle, my heart will not be in it, I will be a passenger. So don’t pick me. 

    I think it’s shit, and he’s down in my estimation, to just another player, driven by money. But, I do understand why, and can’t say I wouldn’t do the same if in his position.  However, I hope his big move is to fucking some one shit like Brentford, and he never scores again. 
  • addickson
    addickson Posts: 891
    I remember Garry Nelson explaining that footballers are contracted to train because they may not play due to injury, loss of form, etc. so if he is training he’ll not be in breach of contract but may miss out on any appearance fees, win bonuses (little joke there to lighten the mood 😉), etc.
  • Gazza6
    Gazza6 Posts: 15
    edited June 2020
    He should be sacked and no last wage paid. Perhaps his new club might think he can not be trusted to see out a contract. If the club had said we are not going to play you and not pay you he would take the club to court. He has a contract to see out. Don`t get me wrong Taylor has been great for the club but you can`t just do that when you have a contract.