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  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    cafctom said:
    It always seemed to me that the Montserrat stuff was just a glorified holiday whenever it came up. I’m sure he was proud to represent them but it does wind me up that he was prepared to risk getting injured for them but not for us when he is contracted to keep playing.
    So, was it a glorified holiday or was he proud to represent them, which was it? 
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    JamesSeed said:
    99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all. 
    Still gutted though. 
    You are wrong, 99% of us wouldn't do this. If that stat was correct then 99% of our out of contract players would refuse to play. Most of them wont be back next season and most of them risk picking up an injury.
    I'm not saying this because Taylor should be loyal to our club, that's all bolocks. However he does owe us the rest of his contract. If I had spent most of the year working on a clients project and just fuxked off after completing 75% because a rival had offered me more money, my client would livid.
    Anyone who behaves like that is a selfish c**t.

    Lyle Taylor the same player who only a week ago was talking about the shitstorm behind the scenes. His words were the only people who were going to suffer were the fans.
  • ProperCharlton
    ProperCharlton Posts: 2,254
    edited June 2020
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  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Who we gonna be booooing next season Taylor in the Championship or Solly in League One 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    KentishAddick said:
    JamesSeed said:
    99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all. 
    Still gutted though. 
    Surely the simple fact that 99% of our out of contract players haven't done the same, shows what you're saying to be incorrect?
    No, it doesn't.
    99% of our out of contract players are not in the same position as Lyle. They may be hoping to have their contracts extended at Charlton. They certainly don't have the same options as Lyle and their motives/reasons for agreeing to play will, most certainly, be different. 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,024
    There's something else about this contract situation that I think pushes the decision to leave. A normal season which finished at the end of April would give any player getting hurt two months to recover. Sure, every now and then some poor sod will pick up a career ending injury, but the chances are mercifully small. The vast majority of players injured at the end of the season will be fit by the time their contracts are up. This time around the games are so close to the end of the contract period that even a minor injury could put a player out of action when the transfer window is open. For a player who had a nice deal lined up this season is far riskier, because even a relatively simple injury could delay a move leaving potential suitors to look around for alternatives. No-one is going to want to fail a medical and then sweat it out hoping the buyers bide their time, because the chances are they won't. This, combined with the fact that we don't even know what's going to happen with next season, means that it's full of uncertainty. Indeed practically the only certainty is that however this season finishes, Charlton will still be a nut house - and the biggest doubt about that is whether the club will actually exist. To be a 30 year old player with one last throw of the career-dice left, sticking around would be utter madness and doing something that could jeopardise a move would be very risky indeed.
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    edited June 2020
    JamesSeed said:
    99% of us would do exactly the same as Lyle's doing, were we in the same situation. It’s a profession after all. 
    Still gutted though. 
    I for one would not do what he is doing. He has probably cost us a takeover as well as we go into the last 9 games without our top player so relegation looks more of a possibility and who would buy us now. The club could tadke a policy for the last 9 games to cover an career ending injury? 10 mil or so? how much would that cost ?
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,365
    edited June 2020
    superclive98 said:
    cafctom said:
    It always seemed to me that the Montserrat stuff was just a glorified holiday whenever it came up. I’m sure he was proud to represent them but it does wind me up that he was prepared to risk getting injured for them but not for us when he is contracted to keep playing.
    So, was it a glorified holiday or was he proud to represent them, which was it? 
    No idea to be honest - probably both. I wouldn’t call games against Saint Lucia and Aruba matches that are worth getting injured in though. And if you are going to get injured in them then don’t pull this stunt right when the team needs you and the clubs survival is on the line. 

    Deep down I do think Lyle’s a decent bloke but his decision making over the course of the past season does leave a lot to be desired. And not just the football side of it, cos he gives everything when he is out there - but the attention seeking, the need to be front and centre. 

    If youre good enough then then you can get away with being a bit different in that sense, but don’t let your team mates and fans down like this
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    Stig said:
    There's something else about this contract situation that I think pushes the decision to leave. A normal season which finished at the end of April would give any player getting hurt two months to recover. Sure, every now and then some poor sod will pick up a career ending injury, but the chances are mercifully small. The vast majority of players injured at the end of the season will be fit by the time their contracts are up. This time around the games are so close to the end of the contract period that even a minor injury could put a player out of action when the transfer window is open. For a player who had a nice deal lined up this season is far riskier, because even a relatively simple injury could delay a move leaving potential suitors to look around for alternatives. No-one is going to want to fail a medical and then sweat it out hoping the buyers bide their time, because the chances are they won't. This, combined with the fact that we don't even know what's going to happen with next season, means that it's full of uncertainty. Indeed practically the only certainty is that however this season finishes, Charlton will still be a nut house - and the biggest doubt about that is whether the club will actually exist. To be a 30 year old player with one last throw of the career-dice left, sticking around would be utter madness and doing something that could jeopardise a move would be very risky indeed.
    My god, the voice of reason. The important question though is will you boo or clap him if we are ever lucky enough to play against him in the future? 
  • MillwallFan
    MillwallFan Posts: 3,348
    Stig said:
    There's something else about this contract situation that I think pushes the decision to leave. A normal season which finished at the end of April would give any player getting hurt two months to recover. Sure, every now and then some poor sod will pick up a career ending injury, but the chances are mercifully small. The vast majority of players injured at the end of the season will be fit by the time their contracts are up. This time around the games are so close to the end of the contract period that even a minor injury could put a player out of action when the transfer window is open. For a player who had a nice deal lined up this season is far riskier, because even a relatively simple injury could delay a move leaving potential suitors to look around for alternatives. No-one is going to want to fail a medical and then sweat it out hoping the buyers bide their time, because the chances are they won't. This, combined with the fact that we don't even know what's going to happen with next season, means that it's full of uncertainty. Indeed practically the only certainty is that however this season finishes, Charlton will still be a nut house - and the biggest doubt about that is whether the club will actually exist. To be a 30 year old player with one last throw of the career-dice left, sticking around would be utter madness and doing something that could jeopardise a move would be very risky indeed.
    Speaking as a neutral, without any emotional attachment, I think you’re bang on with this post. 
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  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    MillwallFan said:
    Stig said:
    There's something else about this contract situation that I think pushes the decision to leave. A normal season which finished at the end of April would give any player getting hurt two months to recover. Sure, every now and then some poor sod will pick up a career ending injury, but the chances are mercifully small. The vast majority of players injured at the end of the season will be fit by the time their contracts are up. This time around the games are so close to the end of the contract period that even a minor injury could put a player out of action when the transfer window is open. For a player who had a nice deal lined up this season is far riskier, because even a relatively simple injury could delay a move leaving potential suitors to look around for alternatives. No-one is going to want to fail a medical and then sweat it out hoping the buyers bide their time, because the chances are they won't. This, combined with the fact that we don't even know what's going to happen with next season, means that it's full of uncertainty. Indeed practically the only certainty is that however this season finishes, Charlton will still be a nut house - and the biggest doubt about that is whether the club will actually exist. To be a 30 year old player with one last throw of the career-dice left, sticking around would be utter madness and doing something that could jeopardise a move would be very risky indeed.
    Speaking as a neutral, without any emotional attachment, I think you’re bang on with this post. 
    Are you sure that you are a Millwall fan? Far too sensible. 
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,521
    Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
  • Big William
    Big William Posts: 3,839
    Slightly surprised considering how he performed after the Brentford move was blocked, he was a model pro then. I did wonder if there was an ulterior motive with the interviews he's been doing, letting people know he's available, but the truth is any move has probably already been fixed up. It's pretty poor on his part, there are plenty of players who move on at the end of the season and keep up their standards up, never mind taking the trouble to turn up every week. It’s part of being a professional.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,446
    MillwallFan said:
    Stig said:
    There's something else about this contract situation that I think pushes the decision to leave. A normal season which finished at the end of April would give any player getting hurt two months to recover. Sure, every now and then some poor sod will pick up a career ending injury, but the chances are mercifully small. The vast majority of players injured at the end of the season will be fit by the time their contracts are up. This time around the games are so close to the end of the contract period that even a minor injury could put a player out of action when the transfer window is open. For a player who had a nice deal lined up this season is far riskier, because even a relatively simple injury could delay a move leaving potential suitors to look around for alternatives. No-one is going to want to fail a medical and then sweat it out hoping the buyers bide their time, because the chances are they won't. This, combined with the fact that we don't even know what's going to happen with next season, means that it's full of uncertainty. Indeed practically the only certainty is that however this season finishes, Charlton will still be a nut house - and the biggest doubt about that is whether the club will actually exist. To be a 30 year old player with one last throw of the career-dice left, sticking around would be utter madness and doing something that could jeopardise a move would be very risky indeed.
    Speaking as a neutral, without any emotional attachment, I think you’re bang on with this post. 
    Appreciate the end of June is 4 - 6 weeks later so less time to recover from any injury. But his contract is as a footballer which necessitates playing football! Also, if he does go to Rangers then their season starts earlier so the difference between the time of the play offs and the end of June and the start of the next season is then less so not much difference in recovery time. He would have been happy to be be paid for June whilst not playing
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    Weegie Addick said:
    Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
    But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas? 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    Big William said:
    Slightly surprised considering how he performed after the Brentford move was blocked, he was a model pro then. I did wonder if there was an ulterior motive with the interviews he's been doing, letting people know he's available, but the truth is any move has probably already been fixed up. It's pretty poor on his part, there are plenty of players who move on at the end of the season and keep up their standards up, never mind taking the trouble to turn up every week. It’s part of being a professional.
    But this season end is totally different to any other season end. 
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    cafctom said:
    superclive98 said:
    Weegie Addick said:
    Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
    But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas? 
    Yes probably. 

    But he did turn up, and he was professional. That’s the difference!
    No, it is completely different and at the end of a normal season and not under the current crazy conditions.
    If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero. 
  • CAFCDAZ
    CAFCDAZ Posts: 1,198
    Footballers are privileged individuals fulfilling dreams that 1000s of kids would love to and are paid well to do just that. No he might not be on 20k a week, but I'm sure he earns a lot more than most of us. He should honor his contract in what is a very unusual situation. Even if that means playing upto 30th June. I'm genuinely dissapointed with him, I think he has really let himself and us fans down
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    Honesty doesn’t pay , he should have coasted the 2-3 games till the end of June ....



    And left a hero









    then taken shit for not seeing out the rest of the season 
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  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,446
    edited June 2020
    superclive98 said:
    cafctom said:
    superclive98 said:
    Weegie Addick said:
    Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
    But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas? 
    Yes probably. 

    But he did turn up, and he was professional. That’s the difference!
    No, it is completely different and at the end of a normal season and not under the current crazy conditions.
    If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero. 
    He is contracted as a football player at Charlton until the end of June not until the time of the last game of a normal season. Not expecting anyone to play beyond their current contract, unless it gets extended. Unless of course his contract is worded that he doesn't need to play in June (as ordinarily it woud be expected the last game would be in May - maybe there is something in the wording that refers to June differently, as no one would have expected the last game not to be in May (which would mean he isn't in breach)? Is there a reason the contract is until the end of June despite them expecting the last game to be in May?

    Not sure if comparable to a teacher leaving a school at the end of school year. When someone I know changed schools they were paid by the school they were leaving until the end of August even though they had finished teaching there. I forget teh exct dates but it was certainly weeks after the end fo the school year. On that note, how do schools/teachers stand if they are asked to work during the time of the usual school holidays this year (so children can catch up) as they are paid by the school but wouldn't ordinarily work? Will they get overtime, as despite being paid, they are due the 6(?) week break after all the hours they have done throught the school year?
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    CAFCDAZ said:
    Footballers are privileged individuals fulfilling dreams that 1000s of kids would love to and are paid well to do just that. No he might not be on 20k a week, but I'm sure he earns a lot more than most of us. He should honor his contract in what is a very unusual situation. Even if that means playing upto 30th June. I'm genuinely dissapointed with him, I think he has really let himself and us fans down
    I'm sure that your disappointment will keep him awake at night.
    As a professional footballer he has a limited time to earn money. He is now at a crucial time in his career where he can obtain a contract that will secure his future.
    His affiliation with Charlton is less than two years. Ours, as fans, may be 10/20/30/40/50/60 years. Is it any wonder that he may see things differently? 
    I really think that people should get some perspective. I, as a Charlton fan of many years, do not want to see us relegated, but I can fully understand why Lyle does not want to risk his future in these exceptional circumstances. If the future had been concluded under normal circumstances then I have no doubt that Lyle would have been busting a gut, as he had in every other game, to secure our survival. 


  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    Is Taylor still training? Surely having him about the place, with his ‘i’m too good for this club’ attitude, can’t be good for team morale.
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,766
    PrincessFiona said:
    superclive98 said:
    cafctom said:
    superclive98 said:
    Weegie Addick said:
    Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
    But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas? 
    Yes probably. 

    But he did turn up, and he was professional. That’s the difference!
    No, it is completely different and at the end of a normal season and not under the current crazy conditions.
    If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero. 
    He is contracted as a football player at Charlton until the end of June not until the time of the last game of a normal season. Not expecting anyone to play beyond their current contract, unless it gets extended. Unless of course his contract is worded that he doesn't need to play in June (as ordinarily it woud be expected the last game would be in May - maybe there is something in the wording that refers to June differently, as no one would have expected the last game not to be in May (which would mean he isn't in breach)? Is there a reason the contract is until the end of June despite them expecting the last game to be in May?

    Not sure if comparable to a teacher leaving a school at the end of school year. When someone I know changed schools they were paid by the school they were leaving until the end of August even though they had finished teaching there. I forget teh exct dates but it was certainly weeks after the end fo the school year. On that note, how do schools/teachers stand if they are asked to work during the time of the usual school holidays this year (so children can catch up) as they are paid by the school but wouldn't ordinarily work? Will they get overtime, as despite being paid, they are due the 6(?) week break after all the hours they have done throught the school year?
    What teachers do or don't do is irrelevant.

    Yes he is contracted until the end of June but can you tell me about a previous season when that has included playing club matches until the end of June or beyond? Or even beyond May? 

    The June 30th date is clearly a date of convenience for both player and club and has never been used as a club playing date but merely a date after which registrations can be transferred. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,627
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    Lyle was always going to leave, I know I’m going to get pelters for this, but with all that’s going on in the world at the moment and having known 4 people taken, in just meh whatever, it’s not important in the scheme of things.

    Pre Covid I’d probably be spitting feathers, starting threads galore, and up in arms, I just feel lucky to still be around at the moment.

    Doing an ooh ah, yes we’ve probably got a 90% chance of being relegated without Lyle, of course I’d rather have him playing for us, but in really not surprised, or bothered as much as I used to be.

    Wembley May 2019, seems a long way away, even if I did miss Bauer’s goal by drinking too much in the green man!

    Don’t get too stressed out by this people, we’ve always been a selling club, players come and go, don’t get too attached to them, its their career and living, don’t give them abuse, we’re better than that.
    I think almost to a man every poster has said that they dont begrudge Taylor going & realise that he is looking for a big payday with his next move. As you say, players come & go and nowdays most players move on after 2 or 3 years. 

    BUT

    What is sickening everyone is the flagrant disregard to honouring a contract. I didn't think for a minute that he'd sign the months extension that the EFL have mooted, but I did expect him to play until June 30th. 

    He has shown that he is just as bad as Parker, Grant & Defoe. There is more to life than money. Stuff like decency & integrity. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,627
    Stig said:
    There's something else about this contract situation that I think pushes the decision to leave. A normal season which finished at the end of April would give any player getting hurt two months to recover. Sure, every now and then some poor sod will pick up a career ending injury, but the chances are mercifully small. The vast majority of players injured at the end of the season will be fit by the time their contracts are up. This time around the games are so close to the end of the contract period that even a minor injury could put a player out of action when the transfer window is open. For a player who had a nice deal lined up this season is far riskier, because even a relatively simple injury could delay a move leaving potential suitors to look around for alternatives. No-one is going to want to fail a medical and then sweat it out hoping the buyers bide their time, because the chances are they won't. This, combined with the fact that we don't even know what's going to happen with next season, means that it's full of uncertainty. Indeed practically the only certainty is that however this season finishes, Charlton will still be a nut house - and the biggest doubt about that is whether the club will actually exist. To be a 30 year old player with one last throw of the career-dice left, sticking around would be utter madness and doing something that could jeopardise a move would be very risky indeed.
    Man Utd waited a year to sign Van Nistelrooy. If Taylor thinks he's that good then Rangers/Fulham/ Blyth Spartans would surely wait until he was fit again.......
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited June 2020
    Haven't read this whole thread and with over 400 new posts I probably wont either so sorry if this has been said enough. 

    All I will say in the matter is what I have said numerous times on Twitter today.


    If Lyle doesn't want to extend his contract for the extra month, then fair enough that's his decision and I respect that and thank him for what he has done for us 

    But he is contracted until June 30th so he should be available to play until June 30th, those 2/3 games could be critical especially the first game against Hull and now we have to do it without our top scorer because he is worried about getting an injury.

    So next season its the last week of April there are 3 games left, can players then down tools and say actually you know what I ain't gonna play these last 3 games just incase I get injured and ruin a new contract in the summer.

    Its absolutely rubbish, he is a Charlton player until June 30th and should be available for selection, the only reason he shouldn't be available was had he dropped out for covid19 reasons, which he clearly didn't 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,627
    JoshAddick said:
    Is Taylor still training? Surely having him about the place, with his ‘i’m too good for this club’ attitude, can’t be good for team morale.
    If I was Bowyer I'd tell him to piss off & not to turn up ever again. Let him sit at home for the next 3 months. Seriously, we haven't even got this season back up again & he's thinking about next season. He might find the new one doesnt start until September. Lots of time to drop jars of beetroot onto your foot, fall through a glass coffee table or cut your hand peeling an orange.
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    golfaddick said:
    JoshAddick said:
    Is Taylor still training? Surely having him about the place, with his ‘i’m too good for this club’ attitude, can’t be good for team morale.
    If I was Bowyer I'd tell him to piss off & not to turn up ever again. Let him sit at home for the next 3 months. Seriously, we haven't even got this season back up again & he's thinking about next season. He might find the new one doesnt start until September. Lots of time to drop jars of beetroot onto your foot, fall through a glass coffee table or cut your hand peeling an orange.
    Shouldn’t get paid either. We’re skint enough as it is, struggling to pay the wages of proper hard workers like Tracey Leaburn, while he racks up a couple thousand a week for doing nothing.
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,026
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Is it worth reminding everyone of this with people saying that Solly / Taylor shouldnt be paid?

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-in-talks-to-defer-wages-to-save-club-money-during-lockdown/

    Why should they get paid? Just for being 'them'?

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