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Chris Powell - Not Necessarily A Good Manager
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I don't think that was the problem. It was replacing Riga with Peeters when there was better out there.PopIcon said:One of Rolys worst mistakes was sacking Riga the first time.
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Not sure Powell or Riga have set the world on fire since they left us. Actually I wonder which of the plethora of managers we’ve had in recent times can claim the most successful post-Charlton career?Henry Irving said:
i agree but if Powell is not a good manager because he had to deal with Duchatelet then the same goes for Riga. What has he done since?JohnnyH2 said:
Riga did not fail 2nd time, there is no a Manager in the history of the game that could have stopped that shower of a shit show getting relegated. Still finished higher than Robinson though!Henry Irving said:And Riga also had Powell's back room team.
Riga himself commented when he came for the second time how the spirit that he'd seen before had disappeared. That was down to Powell.
And if Riga was a better manager than Powell why did he fail 2nd time round?
Context is everything.0 -
With Tommy D calling the shots on FM Mobile, Rinus Michels would have struggled.I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:
I don't think that was the problem. It was replacing Riga with Peeters when there was better out there.PopIcon said:One of Rolys worst mistakes was sacking Riga the first time.
"Cruyff? Too slow and weak. Get Nicky Ajose instead"0 -
I don't think his abilities as a manager, during his time with us, are questionable though. Putting aside the half season at the beginning when he took over, he over-achieved in every season he was with us. Ignorance is not being able to understand or take account of the situation he was working in.PopIcon said:
Ignorance is this post.MuttleyCAFC said:This thread is irritating in its ignorance. Powell did a fantastic job and he was a great fit for us. The rug was pulled by cash but Duchatelet cost us a semi final place and it was largely Powell's players that kept us up under Riga - who I have nothing but praise for btw.
There is absolutely no question that Chris Powell is a Charlton legend, but his abilities as a manager are questionable.
We had all this at the time. People moaning that we were playing poor football under Powell, but totally unable to understand that you can't play Brazil 1970 football on a pitch like a ploughed field with a bargain basement squad.
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Since Curbishley I'd say the ranking of those who have had success post Charlton would be:se9addick said:
Not sure Powell or Riga have set the world on fire since they left us. Actually I wonder which of the plethora of managers we’ve had in recent times can claim the most successful post-Charlton career?Henry Irving said:
i agree but if Powell is not a good manager because he had to deal with Duchatelet then the same goes for Riga. What has he done since?JohnnyH2 said:
Riga did not fail 2nd time, there is no a Manager in the history of the game that could have stopped that shower of a shit show getting relegated. Still finished higher than Robinson though!Henry Irving said:And Riga also had Powell's back room team.
Riga himself commented when he came for the second time how the spirit that he'd seen before had disappeared. That was down to Powell.
And if Riga was a better manager than Powell why did he fail 2nd time round?
Context is everything.
Parkinson (League Cup Finalist with Bradford, promotion to League One and the Championship, the latter with Bolton)
Pardew (FA Cup Finalist)
Putting Parkinson above Pardew simply because I think achieving a Cup Final with Bradford is a lot bigger of an achievement than getting there with a Premier League side
I'd then say the rest are all the same, successive clubs all roughly at the same level, none have won promotion, none have set the world alight
Of course if Robinson can get Oxford into the Championship then he joins Parkinson and Pardew but no others have really stood out0 -
I’m not sure there are too many managers past or present who haven’t at least once been sacked. Even some of the best got it wrong somewhere. Is Moyes for example a good manager or a crap manager? Look at the likes of Hughes, Pardew, Pulis, Allardyce. All have done well at some clubs and terribly at others.PopIcon said:
Ignorance is this post.MuttleyCAFC said:This thread is irritating in its ignorance. Powell did a fantastic job and he was a great fit for us. The rug was pulled by cash but Duchatelet cost us a semi final place and it was largely Powell's players that kept us up under Riga - who I have nothing but praise for btw.
By calling someone ignorant for having a difference in opinion to one you have is ignorance in itself.
Plenty of people on here have questioned Powell's ability as a manager and they are all ignorant apparently.
There are certain people, be it players, managers, fans etc accocisated with Charlton that some some fans insist should be treated almost godly. There is absolutely no question that Chris Powell is a Charlton legend, but his abilities as a manager are questionable.
For me there are very few ‘great’ managers. Luck, context, stability, timing etc all have a massive role to play in making a manager. Successful doesn’t mean great. But Powell, as our manager, was very successful, so he must have been doing something right.4 -
Plenty used to say that it was Curbishley's fault when the dynamic trio of Dowie, Reed and Pardew got us relegated the season after he left.Todds_right_hook said:
Looking at southern post Powell, it could be argued that he did well to keep them up. Unless the reason they are in a mess now is because of Powell’s signings.Scoham said:Second best manager of the many we’ve had since Curbs. One of only a few managers we’ve had who won something.
Kept Huddersfield in the Championship who I’m sure would have had one of the smaller budgets at the time. As his replacement overachieved Powell’s seen as having done a bad job there, but another manager may have taken them down.
Didn’t work out at Southend. Not sure what sort of budget he had there, but I’d imagine it would be mid table at best.
He was good for us and had either of the two ownerships he worked for gave him a budget to invest in the squad and keep the likes of Yann and Stephens then I think he’d have put together a squad that would have at least competed in the Championship with a chance of overachieving.
He likely won’t have another season like 11/12 again but he was the right manager at the right time for us and had the summer of 2012 worked out differently a decent budget and the momentum we had could have seen the progress under him continue.A missed opportunity even if he never experiences success as a manager again.
That was despite Murray giving both Dowie and Pardew more money than Curbs ever got!
Some people just don't know when they are well off unfortunately.2 -
If by 'recent' you mean post Curbs (who was sitting at 3rd or 4th in the Premiership when he left West Ham) then it has to be Parky taking a 4th tier club in Bradford City to the league cup final.se9addick said:
Not sure Powell or Riga have set the world on fire since they left us. Actually I wonder which of the plethora of managers we’ve had in recent times can claim the most successful post-Charlton career?Henry Irving said:
i agree but if Powell is not a good manager because he had to deal with Duchatelet then the same goes for Riga. What has he done since?JohnnyH2 said:
Riga did not fail 2nd time, there is no a Manager in the history of the game that could have stopped that shower of a shit show getting relegated. Still finished higher than Robinson though!Henry Irving said:And Riga also had Powell's back room team.
Riga himself commented when he came for the second time how the spirit that he'd seen before had disappeared. That was down to Powell.
And if Riga was a better manager than Powell why did he fail 2nd time round?
Context is everything.
There were plenty on here that were scathing about Parky too as I recall.1 -
The other thing is, Powell is no longer our manager, he hasn't been for a long time, and to create a thread like this is bollocks and disrespectful. What is the point of it?2
