Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham
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Sooo let me get this straight - EFL wanted Birmingham to be punished yet the independant commission cleared themDoctorCharlton said:
EFL appealed that decision, have won, yet arent going to punish Birmingham any further seeing that they were deducted nine points for another charge last season?
WHAT THE HELL WAS THE BLOODY POINT!!!
That takes the absolute piss out of the punishments they're handing out for Macclesfield37 -
They’re pathetic, a disgrace, and simply not fit for purpose.
I just wish there was another footballing body/organisation that clubs could just turn around to the EFL and say, “screw you we’re leaving and will be playing and competing in their leagues instead”.
It will be the same outcome with Derby and Sheffield Wednesday because they’re scared of them. Yet they’ll continue to punish and hurt the smaller clubs because the attention is not so focused, the coverage isn’t there.
They punish clubs financially and by deducting points when clubs are struggling to stay afloat. But do absolutely nothing to others who blatantly and so openly break the rules without a care in the world.
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Fucking ridiculous.
They agreed to the EFL's stipulations that they should sell players in the January 2019 transfer window. Decided they couldn't get a good price for them & so didnt do. BREACH. Sold them in the summer window thus getting more money (which I expect helped them buy more/better players and/or help pay higher wages)
THATS WHY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SELL THEM IN JANUARY. ITS CALLED A PUNISHMENT.
Talk about flouting the rules.2 -
No doubt they are useless but are they corrupt?
We know money talks in football, just saying.
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I honestly do believe they are corrupt.Hartleypete said:No doubt they are useless but are they corrupt?
We know money talks in football, just saying.
I believe they should be investigated.4 -
At the risk of repeating myself, the EFL along with the FA Premier League are not governing bodies - they are member organisation who act as mandated by their members (the 72). Those members will protect their interests and the perceived big hitters among that membership (that includes Sheffield Wednesday, Derby and Birmingham, but does not include Macclesfield) shout the loudest. The Football Association is the governing body - and I agree that they, like the member organisations, are not fit for purpose.I also agree, there needs to be a public enquiry into the whole running of the national game.28
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I have no issue with Birmingham getting no points deducted. They didn't bend over and have their pants pulled down in Jan and instead retained their assets to sell for vastly more in the summer. That seems sensible, prudent management that the EFL should encourage. If this was Charlton, not Birmingham then we as fans would be lauding that.2
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To be honest I've got no issue with Birmingham getting no punishments etc. I think what bugs me the most is why the EFL appealead the decision in the first place
Its like that annoying kid at school that has to prove he's always right about everything
By winning this particular appeal all the EFL are doing is going: "Ner Ner Ner Ner, we won commision, up yours, we're the bigger group"
Its pathetic and a complete waste of time when there are bigger issues to deal with1 -
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Maybe the fault in this was with the punishment itself.golfaddick said:Fucking ridiculous.
They agreed to the EFL's stipulations that they should sell players in the January 2019 transfer window. Decided they couldn't get a good price for them & so didnt do. BREACH. Sold them in the summer window thus getting more money (which I expect helped them buy more/better players and/or help pay higher wages)
THATS WHY YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SELL THEM IN JANUARY. ITS CALLED A PUNISHMENT.
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well, seeing as the EFL are a "member" organisation I'd say the the dissatisfied members should do something about it. Probably more than the 3 that are currently up "in the dock".bobmunro said:At the risk of repeating myself, the EFL along with the FA Premier League are not governing bodies - they are member organisation who act as mandated by their members (the 72). Those members will protect their interests and the perceived big hitters among that membership (that includes Sheffield Wednesday, Derby and Birmingham, but does not include Macclesfield) shout the loudest. The Football Association is the governing body - and I agree that they, like the member organisations, are not fit for purpose.I also agree, there needs to be a public enquiry into the whole running of the national game.
Refuse to play against those 3 teams.
Go on strike.
Call for a ballot to the other 68 teams & see what the majority want to do about it.
As you say.....its a member organisation.
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It is a member organisation full of self interest, not the greater good of the game.9
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Money talking again .. Wednesday, Brum and Derby are all owned by very rich men, and are 'bigger' clubs than lil ol Barnsley ..1
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Barnsley are owned by Chien Lee, whose business is worth about $9 billion, but Barnsley are absolutely committed to living sustainably. To an almost ridiculous degree. I wonder how different some of these outcomes would be if he really started throwing his weight around.
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Well we could find out seeing that Barnsley have threatened legal action if nothing gets done about Derby / Sheffield WednesdayGarrymanilow said:Barnsley are owned by Chien Lee, whose business is worth about $9 billion, but Barnsley are absolutely committed to living sustainably. To an almost ridiculous degree. I wonder how different some of these outcomes would be if he really started throwing his weight around.
I'm quite impressed by them actually - As things stand they're not the side to benefit from any points deduction (as dont see either side being docked enough points to lift Barnsley out of the relegation zone)
Of course I imagine they've still got the focus of making up the required points to get out of trouble yet part of me still doesnt see it happening for either them or Luton, just too much of a gap at the moment1 -
Those three will get off, we will get done over. EFL down to a tee.7
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They're a very interesting ownership. They're obsessively focused on respecting the rules, so this anger coming from them doesn't surprise me. They have more money than everyone else in the division but they are absolutely focused on respecting FFP. Every season they let their best players go and replace them with players who aren't really an improvement but they're banking on being roughly as good as what they just let go of. They could speculate and go big on some signings on the slight gamble that they would get a good mark-up on selling them on, but they aren't willing to risk breaking the rules. Putting all that effort into respecting the rules, even at the risk of losing their Championship status and then seeing other teams absolutely take the piss and the EFL not deal with the punishment properly must be particularly gallingForeverAddickted said:
Well we could find out seeing that Barnsley have threatened legal action if nothing gets done about Derby / Sheffield WednesdayGarrymanilow said:Barnsley are owned by Chien Lee, whose business is worth about $9 billion, but Barnsley are absolutely committed to living sustainably. To an almost ridiculous degree. I wonder how different some of these outcomes would be if he really started throwing his weight around.
I'm quite impressed by them actually - As things stand they're not the side to benefit from any points deduction (as dont see either side being docked enough points to lift Barnsley out of the relegation zone)
Of course I imagine they've still got the focus of making up the required points to get out of trouble yet part of me still doesnt see it happening for either them or Luton, just too much of a gap at the moment
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Re Barnsley:
At the very least, any court action should publicly expose any EFL action/inaction that is not in strict accordance with their own regulations.
It could also minutely expose financial activities of Sheffield Wednesday and Derby County in particular.
I'd find it very interesting to see what a court ruling would find.
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So they're basing the rumours on Bowyer saying he received a nice reception from Birmingham fans at the Valley this season and the fact that he thinks ESI are a messkafka said:
Other than that Bowyer hasnt made a single comment that suggests anything to do with the vacancy!!2 -
When do we find out what punishment we get?
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My thoughts exactly.ForeverAddickted said:
So they're basing the rumours on Bowyer saying he received a nice reception from Birmingham fans at the Valley this season and the fact that he thinks ESI are a messkafka said:
Other than that Bowyer hasnt made a single comment that suggests anything to do with the vacancy!!
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For what ?Arsenetatters said:When do we find out what punishment we get?0 -
I'm not a subscriber to the telegraph so cannot read the full article. Any hint of points deductions?
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Hearing started. Could take 15 minutes, but probably a week.DoctorCharlton said:I'm not a subscriber to the telegraph so cannot read the full article. Any hint of points deductions?
I think that after a fair hearing they should be found guilty and deducted 20 points. 🙂4 -
The massive fans seem to be a bit concerned about their legal representation
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DoctorCharlton said:I'm not a subscriber to the telegraph so cannot read the full article. Any hint of points deductions?This is what it says
Sheffield Wednesday's legal fight with the English Football League will start on Tuesday, in a potentially significant development for the Championship season.
Wednesday's battle with the EFL over charges of breaching Profitability & Sustainability rules is being heard by an independent disciplinary commission this week, after the dispute was brought forward following complaints from a number of rival clubs.
The Championship club were initially expected to appear in front of the three-man panel in July but it is understood proceedings will now begin on Tuesday, with the complexity of the case ensuring it is likely to last for the rest of the week.
Wednesday have been locked in a dispute with the EFL since last November after they were charged with financial misconduct - which they strenuously deny.
Potential punishment, if found guilty, ranges from a points deduction to a transfer embargo or fine, and will be decided by the independent commission.
The decision on when to impose any punishment - if applicable - can also be made by the commission, but sources suggest it is expected to be announced before the end of this season.
It has been alleged privately by a number of rival clubs that Wednesday could be facing a hefty points deduction if they are found guilty.
Barnsley have already written to the EFL to reveal they will consider legal action if they are relegated and the charges have not been concluded.
The EFL declined to comment on Monday evening.
Wednesday were charged over alleged breaches regarding the £60 million sale of Hillsborough to chairman Dejphon Chansiri, enabling them to post a pre-tax profit of £2.5m.
The charges relate to "how and when" it was sold, and its subsequent inclusion in the 2017-2018 accounts when it was sold a year later.
Wednesday deny the charge and also issued a counter-claim against the EFL for allegedly "acting unlawfully".
The club are currently 15th in the Championship table, eight points adrift of both the play-off positions and relegation zone. Wednesday drew 1-1 with Nottingham Forest in the season restart on Saturday, and travel to Bristol City this weekend.
Derby County are still waiting to discover the date of their hearing, after they were charged in January with exceeding "excess losses", which is understood to relate to the £80m sale of Pride Park to a company owned by Mel Morris, the club's chairman.
Morris has always maintained that the sale of fixed assets was previously allowed in the rules and Derby will "strongly contest" the charge.
Last season, Birmingham City were docked nine points after being found guilty of breaking the Profitability & Sustainability rules, previously known as Financial Fair Play.
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