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  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    predictions are pointless at this stage of a normal season as anything can and usually does happen. Players are battling for contracts etc. Add the fact that home advantage doesn’t count for much this season, analysis what might happen is pointless
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,624
    edited June 2020
    To quote Blackadder.......there will be more twists & turns than a twisty turny thing.

    The end of this season will be like no other. Form has gone out the window & no-one can predict one result from the next. Who would have thought that both us & Wigan would have won our first 2 games & Fulham would not have got a point.

     I too think we'll need more than 52 points to stay up & wouldn't be surprised to see Luton & Barnsley getting to 50+ points. The 6 pointers are going to be key......want them all to be draws as a team who loses one week could easily win the next. EG, Stoke getting 2 draws is better (for us) than them winning 1 & losing 1.

    As @jimmymelrose said on a separate  thread, might be best that Wigan win their next couple of games so that when we come to play them they are home & hosed and mentally on the beach. I also think we could get something up at Leeds.......home advantage counts for naught now.

    But as said upthread......5pm Saturday could look a lot different - for good or for worse.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    Henry Irving said:
    Sheffield Wednesday's potential points deduction could change everything.

    No one, even Barnsley, it down and out yet and we are far from safe. But Bowyer has us fighting.


    But isn't it too late to be taken into consideration ? I thought if points deduction hadn't been handed out by March it's carried forward to the following season.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,219
    While Luton may be on a decent run at moment, I’d say they’re also more than capable of going 3 or 4 games without a win. 
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,563
    HardyAddick said:
    Bowyer will be out to win every game. Do teams get payments based on finishing position in the league like in the Prem?
    Probably been answered .. no they dont.
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    edited June 2020
    QPR and Reading  are in free fall, whilst Wigan look like being out of trouble by the weekend. Think 52 points would be excessive, its been around the 41 point mark 4 of the last 5 seasons. The other  season it was 51.

    One more win for us and it will require two out of Barnsley, Huddersfield  and Hull winning 3 of their remaining 7 (6 in Barnsley's case) games.

    EDIT of course thats all assuming Luton don't pull off a shock a poxy Leeds (currently 1-0 to Luton)
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,624
    randy andy said:
    QPR and Reading  are in free fall, whilst Wigan look like being out of trouble by the weekend. Think 52 points would be excessive, its been around the 41 point mark 4 of the last 5 seasons. The other  season it was 51.

    One more win for us and it will require two out of Barnsley, Huddersfield  and Hull winning 3 of their remaining 7 (6 in Barnsley's case) games.

    EDIT of course thats all assuming Luton don't pull off a shock a poxy Leeds (currently 1-0 to Luton)
    I disagree. Lots of the bottom teams are playing each other & I reckon there will be more wins than draws.

    52 bare minimum. 53 or 54 to be totally safe.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,624
    Luton grab a point at the league leaders
     3 shots to Leeds 23.

    Stoke lose again & let in 3 without reply. GD could be vital & our clean sheets are really helping. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,750
    Gonna have to soon make a 'restart league table.'

    It will show so far that the bottom 3 will most likely be Hull, Hudds, Stoke. Reading and QPR need to watch out.

    Can we get 53 points, scoring just two more goals?! Will anyone up front even get a shot on target.? Good job that funny 'more shots' character from the east stand isn't going.;-


  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    Let’s face it. The bottom seven are all still bang in trouble. It will I’m sure be three from those seven. No team above Charlton will go down. We need to battle for every point and made much harder by our lack of goals. It’s going to be very tight. 
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  • RolandsOut
    RolandsOut Posts: 81
    edited June 2020
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Let’s face it. The bottom seven are all still bang in trouble. It will I’m sure be three from those seven. No team above Charlton will go down. We need to battle for every point and made much harder by our lack of goals. It’s going to be very tight. 
    I disagree.  Get a win on Friday (however unlikely) and we are on the same points as Reading and QPR, with 5 games to go.  Both could still be in trouble if they don't reverse their fortunes (3 losses from 3). There are many twists and turns to come.
  • cafc_se7
    cafc_se7 Posts: 2,274
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Let’s face it. The bottom seven are all still bang in trouble. It will I’m sure be three from those seven. No team above Charlton will go down. We need to battle for every point and made much harder by our lack of goals. It’s going to be very tight. 
    You haven’t seen Readings next 5 fixtures then? 
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    We’re still picking up points when our strikers are not scoring goals.

    Attack is the weakest point of our team at the moment.

    Would love any of them, to start scoring goals soon and regularly.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    cafc_se7 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Let’s face it. The bottom seven are all still bang in trouble. It will I’m sure be three from those seven. No team above Charlton will go down. We need to battle for every point and made much harder by our lack of goals. It’s going to be very tight. 
    You haven’t seen Readings next 5 fixtures then? 
    And our next three
  • cafc_se7
    cafc_se7 Posts: 2,274
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    cafc_se7 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Let’s face it. The bottom seven are all still bang in trouble. It will I’m sure be three from those seven. No team above Charlton will go down. We need to battle for every point and made much harder by our lack of goals. It’s going to be very tight. 
    You haven’t seen Readings next 5 fixtures then? 
    And our next three
    In four games time.....reading will be closer to the relegation zone than us! IMO
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,750
    cafc_se7 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    cafc_se7 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Let’s face it. The bottom seven are all still bang in trouble. It will I’m sure be three from those seven. No team above Charlton will go down. We need to battle for every point and made much harder by our lack of goals. It’s going to be very tight. 
    You haven’t seen Readings next 5 fixtures then? 
    And our next three
    In four games time.....reading will be closer to the relegation zone than us! IMO
    That would make difficult reading for them
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    I hope so
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,847
    As they are of ours 
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    We’re still picking up points when our strikers are not scoring goals.

    Attack is the weakest point of our team at the moment.

    Would love any of them, to start scoring goals soon and regularly.
    This. I hate to be negative but our attack is our downfall. Scored two goals since the restart and they have both come from set pieces (keepers probably could have done better with both). We need Aneke, Bonne, Hemed and Green to find their shooting boots asap, we can’t keep relying on set piece goals.
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,009
    AFKABartram said:
    Getting right naffed off with the form of those around us
    Teams could well say that about us.

    Shambles of an ownership, in the bottom 3 and had just lost to Sheffield Weds, Huddersfield and Middlesbrough without scoring.

    Now we're rejuvenated and the defence has not been greatly troubled in 3 games.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,009
    cafc_se7 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    cafc_se7 said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Let’s face it. The bottom seven are all still bang in trouble. It will I’m sure be three from those seven. No team above Charlton will go down. We need to battle for every point and made much harder by our lack of goals. It’s going to be very tight. 
    You haven’t seen Readings next 5 fixtures then? 
    And our next three
    In four games time.....reading will be closer to the relegation zone than us! IMO
    1 more win and they're safe in my opinion.

    Almost no point trying to predict who will beat who in this league, as it's a minefield.

    Wigan are the form team in the league, Luton have just taken 4 points from Swansea and Leeds away. We looked hopeless pre-lockdown but are now solid and have 7 points from 9. Same for Barnsley.

    Teams with real cause for concern right now are Stoke, Huddersfield and Hull, but with teams playing 3 games every 6-7 days who knows, that could all change by next week.
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,333
    It makes me realise if we hadn’t hit the ground running after the break we would have been odds on for the drop. Now, some are even starting to think we can beat Millwall.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,615
    thai malaysia addick said:
    It makes me realise if we hadn’t hit the ground running after the break we would have been odds on for the drop. Now, some are even starting to think we can beat Millwall.
    Steady on.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,009
    edited July 2020
    thai malaysia addick said:
    It makes me realise if we hadn’t hit the ground running after the break we would have been odds on for the drop. Now, some are even starting to think we can beat Millwall.
    If Millwall were in the National league south, i'd still go into the game thinking 'we could nick a draw'
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    The way things have gone in recent years, a draw against Millwall would be considered a victory!
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,824
    Key problem for me is looking at the current 6 clubs below us and say with any real confidence that there’s no way they’ll win 3 of their remaining 6 games? (7 for Boro, Hull, Huddersfield). 

    If if you put 9pts on everyone’s totals then we still have solid work to do
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    AFKABartram said:
    Key problem for me is looking at the current 6 clubs below us and say with any real confidence that there’s no way they’ll win 3 of their remaining 6 games? (7 for Boro, Hull, Huddersfield). 

    If if you put 9pts on everyone’s totals then we still have solid work to do
    This is nowhere near as comfortable as some see it .
    We have nigh on zero goal threat and the scum looked powerful in the air v Swansea and created mayhem and you just know those half chances they missed will nestle in our net Friday .
    Then Brentford .
    Id take 1 point from these next two games .
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,499
    AFKABartram said:
    Key problem for me is looking at the current 6 clubs below us and say with any real confidence that there’s no way they’ll win 3 of their remaining 6 games? (7 for Boro, Hull, Huddersfield). 

    If if you put 9pts on everyone’s totals then we still have solid work to do
    Yes that's true. But don't forget, three games ago we were a bit adrift and 3rd from bottom. We're a whole lot better off now, in a bit of form, restricting chances and keeping clean sheets. We've got a few knocks and a couple of blokes who don't want to play but we've got quite a few options in some positions. e.g.: we haven't really seen Williams or Oztumer yet. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    why are we so scared of millwall? They are bang average! They have a couple of injuries and a couple more with knocks! Rowett was moaning about how tired the players are looking.

    bowyer will have our players chasing down and working hard, plus aneke will put it about and won’t be bullied. 

    In Typical Charlton life tradition, our lack of goals is being mentioned as a weakness but 3 clean sheets in a row isn’t.

    Yes I am aware of recent history but this is a crazy year with crazy results since the season started. Millwall are just another team and we can win! Bowyer will hopefully be drilling this into the team


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