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Summer Transfer Rumours 2020 (DEADLINE DAY from pg.258)
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State of that tattoo on the back of his neck....Bubble said:0 -
All 2k of them? I just don't see it.Belv said:ElliotCAFC said:
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the divisionNot only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
No-one has said he's terrible just that he's not good enough to warrant turning down a potential £1.3m profit on him when his wages and place in the squad can be used to improve the squad. It may allow us to bring in a promising striker whilst also being able to get a permanent RB for example.
Reality is, if LB wants to get everything he wants/needs then a senior player is probably going to have to go, if it's a choice of Doughty or Bonne then I choose Bonne.0 -
Take a look at this thread, Bonne's own thread and all over Twitter - plenty of people are saying he's terrible and they'll happily drive him to QPR themselves.Belv said:ElliotCAFC said:
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the divisionNot only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
No-one has said he's terrible just that he's not good enough to warrant turning down a potential £1.3m profit on him when his wages and place in the squad can be used to improve the squad. It may allow us to bring in a promising striker whilst also being able to get a permanent RB for example.
Reality is, if LB wants to get everything he wants/needs then a senior player is probably going to have to go, if it's a choice of Doughty or Bonne then I choose Bonne.
He came from non-league, his wages are going to be so minuscule that offloading them isn't going to do much to help get someone else in.3 -
Sometimes I think we get what we deserve a bit. We've been crying out for a squad for years, we've not had a suitable one since 2011/12. We now seemingly have a stable ownership who are just taking over a depleted squad and people want to sell off our only source of goals because he's still developing, rather then just having him as competition for whoever we bring in. Bonne was signed from the National League last season so I doubt he's anywhere near one of our highest earners, meaning we'd free hardly anything from the cap, and would almost certainly need to pay a lot more to get someone with his scoring record in. We are desperate for goals all over the pitch. Our current squad's stats from last season read like this:Bonne - P34 G11Purrington - P31 G2Pratley - P36 G2Doughty - P32 G2Pearce P39 G1Aneke - P21 G1Davison P10 G1To that you can add Washington for this season P4 G2. Bonne, Aneke, Doughty and Barker also all have one goal this season, mostly in the EFL cup.We're desperately short of goals in the squad, we get next to nothing from midfield now that Gallagher has gone and Purrington has managed more goals for the club than Aneke, who seemingly manages to get better and better the less he plays. The cap isn't changing any time soon and it looks like there's money to spend under Sandgaard on a squad that needs to bring in at least 6 more players before it even thinks about letting some out. I really want us to bring in more strikers and I'm hoping that we get someone better than Bonne because that means progress, but selling off our top scorer just as a restrictive cap comes in to make it harder than ever to replace the goals we're sorely lacking would be insane.11
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If LB can get MM playing for the team he would be a great signing, 150 goal involvements in c.250 games for peterborough at this level is phenomenal.4
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Exactly, we could sell Bonne and sign Schwartz and a young loan. You're then looking at Schwartz and Washington starting with an unproven youngster and an unreliable Aneke as back up. We need 3 decent strikers with Aneke as 4th choice so keeping Bonne is a no brainer for me.FULLERpromise said:
In total agreement with this. If the cap wasn’t about I would listen to offers knowing now it could be invested on a striker right now. But the problem is as others have said unless it’s a prem or top end champ loan who we going to get In on the wages that’s a more proven goalscorer. I.e. 11 in 33 in championship.cafcfan1990 said:Honestly think the talk of offloading Bonne is nuts. I don't think he's going to get anymore than 15 goals this season, but I'm also struggling to see who we can sign for around 3k a week who is going to do the same, let alone 2 of them as we are already 1 short!
Without the salary cap I'd consider it to help fund a promotion but not with one.
the thing with bonne is he to me seems sometimes a bit slow and when gets the ball very predicable and rarely beats players so as a striker to watch (look at someone like Leko - they were a lot more exciting to watch but I doubt would get more goals than bonne and are playing in the championship).
Bonne has that nack of getting goals but not doing too much else. 1 in 3 for championship and not penalties either, is a pretty good stat and why QPR and maybe others are sniffing around. I personally now would want a top end young striker on loan like an Adam Idah type As well as Ronnie Schwartz and keep Bonne who then will go down to 3rd/4th choice if isn’t performing. Whereas now he seen as our main man and we need 3/4 strikers.1 -
I think this is what I feel as well.Chunes said:
If we do now sell Bonne it will be because Gallen, Bowyer et all don't rate him as much as everyone on here does, and the #BigBonneFanClub will have to eat it.ElliotCAFC said:
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the divisionNot only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
When Bowyer is saying we need to sign a goalscorer because we can't keep missing chance after chance, that's not a endorsement of Bonne's position in the team. That is Bonne's only role in the team.
I can't decide whether it's better to have Bonne in the team and hope he improves alongside a striker that allows him to do so or whether we should cash in now and bring in someone who will hit the ground running.
But now the club is financially secure I feel we can trust Gallen and Bowyer on this and if Bonne is sold it will be for football reasons and not because the owner is cashing in on a young talent again.5 -
He isnt playing well atm & theres no getting round that. I like him and certainly think he can get the goals but hes really got to up his game and be on the 6 yard line for the balls flashing across instead of behind it.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division3 -
They clearly do rate him, they've said several times while also refusing to entertain any bids for him.Chunes said:
If we do now sell Bonne it will be because Gallen, Bowyer et all don't rate him as much as everyone on here does, and the #BigBonneFanClub will have to eat it.ElliotCAFC said:
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the divisionNot only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
When Bowyer is saying we need to sign a goalscorer because we can't keep missing chance after chance, that's not a endorsement of Bonne's position in the team. That is Bonne's only role in the team.
Yes, we need a goalscorer, what team doesn't? Bonne's conversion rate is better than anyone we could possibly get in the English market. I want us to bring in another forward but not at the expense of losing Bonne. We need competition for places, it's stupid to sell Bonne and try and go the whole season with only two senior strikers.
If someone offers crazy money and we're able to get in a better player as a replacement then sure, but please can someone tell me one proven player out there that is a realistic replacement for Bonne?6 -
That's not in question for me.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
.It's his attitude that is a concern. His body language in the past couple of games has the look of a man who's mind is elsewhere
For the reasons you've mentioned I have a suspicion that he thinks he is better than this level. And that his agent, who has previous, is telling him just that.
Of course I could be completely wrong and he's just going through a bit of a spell?
Bowyer will know better than anyone.
For me. If the price is decent and his attitude is proving a disruption then best to get shot.1 - Sponsored links:
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Where has this Bonne attitude rumours come from, just because he's had a poor couple of games?
Looks like he's becoming our new scapegoat.
I hope we keep him he'll score goals in this league9 -
Why not too many players to social distance in a small office ? Not enough post for 10 players to open ?Crusty54 said:
Sorry but that wouldn't work.charltonbob said:
TS needs to open a London office & give the players part jobs opening the post for a few grand a week.MattF said:
The salary cap covers other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to the player, so I would assume signing on fees come under that sadlyct_addick said:Can't we pay a signing on fee in lieu of wages to get around the salary cap ?
It was an attempt at a joke Crusty, obviously failed miserably. I should have added a smiley thingamy.0 -
Mad to get rid of Bonne at the moment. Not only will he score a few goals this season, we would never be able to replace him with even a similar player within the limits of the wage cap.
QPR got £20m for Eze (?) - who only scored 14 goals in 46 games - so if they really want Bonne, they'll have to step up to the plate.
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Maybe his head has been turned by transfer talk. Or alternatively, maybe he's just slightly struggling for form at the moment. Either way we've played THREE league games. It's not as if he's gone 10 games without a goal.carly burn said:
That's not in question for me.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
.It's his attitude that is a concern. His body language in the past couple of games has the look of a man who's mind is elsewhere
For the reasons you've mentioned I have a suspicion that he thinks he is better than this level. And that his agent, who has previous, is telling him just that.
Of course I could be completely wrong and he's just going through a bit of a spell?
Bowyer will know better than anyone.
For me. If the price is decent and his attitude is proving a disruption then best to get shot.
Bonne wasn't signed as the main striker, but a work-in-progress. I've no problem with signing a better striker, if one if available as we need competition for places, but not to replace him in the squad. After all last season, Bonne was the rookie backup signing from non league, while Hemed was the established Championship striker, and look how THAT worked out...1 -
I think Bonne is woeful personally but this salary cap is gonna kill us.I trust whatever Bowyer and Gallen decide to do.20
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Just to chip in on the Bonne argument. I think he’s an okay to decent finisher. He missed a lot of key chances last season, but was also the only one who could put the ball in the net (Taylor aside).
I think weirdly, Bonne might do better for QPR than he would for us this season. If a team can produce 3/4/5 good chances, Bonne will put one or two away. Outside of that his all round play isn’t amazing. Aerially he’s a bit weak, gets caught offside quite a lot and really doesn’t have much pace. It’s no coincidence that Bowyers systems look much better with Pace up top( see Leko and KG.)
As for Bowyer rating Bonne, I’m not necessarily sure he’s 100% on him. He came out at the start of last season and openly admitted Bonne wasn’t ready for the level he was at, citing him more as a player in progress. He’s also made bumper pud references in post match comments to players not putting chances away (that we’re pretty obviously aimed at Bonne)
The question is, would Bowyer rather have 1.5-2 million and another squad slot, or Bonne?
I think he would be tempted by the former.1 -
I think Bonne style has always been to run around to show willing without any actual desire.if you watch his efforts to press defenders it is very half hearted.He is also very good at pointing to players where he wanted the ball after a phase of play. I think he will score goals, but sadly his all round play isnt good enough for the team to merit a place without goals. Also Bowyer is very quick to pick up on players who aren't putting in the required effort in training, pre match and during the match. He never gave Fosu a chance due to him not being a good trainer and once getting injured in a match due to his less than 100% warm up.3
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Not sure he scores half chances, most of his goals were tap in's from inside the 6 yard boxs, he scored maybe 1 or 2 from half chances, the rest you expect your striker to score.. But he certainly misses more chances than he scores.. And when your game doesn't bring much more to the team, you need to be taking them chances..objectivecafc said:
Yea I have given Bonne pelters since the restart basically. But I do think when in touch he is a natural finisher, most of his goals are quite frankly half chances at best. It's clear cut chances he seems to fluff.cazo said:
Can we really afford to give up someone who really is a talented striker, who runs the right lines? Even if he has been terrible for 4 months.
And again what use is the money for selling him?
Million I feel is a good return on him, put a sell on in-case he does come good!0 -
How do people just drop names in here with no substance , or link to the rumour at least?
like me saying Nikiteh ... then a million replies which have just come from someone name dropping.0 - Sponsored links:
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But could we bring somebody in who is likely to score approx 12 goals this season? Shouldn't be impossible but looking at the little transfer activity around, it feels it.1
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In your first paragraph you could easily be describing BWP who although scored a LOT of goals for us when we won this league, also missed a lot of ‘easy’ chances. I’m not saying he will get as many goals as BWP but there are certainly some comparisons to be drawn. Both natural finishers who seek to score the half chances, neither particularly composed to score the ‘easier’ chances.Belv said:killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the division
Think his goal return last season is misleading, for every goal he scored I can think of 2 or 3 golden chances missed. The one on ones against Millwall and Wigan and also the one at Birmingham are unforgivable and ultimately sent us down.
He doesn't really offer anything, doesn't create anything, doesn't hold it up, been completely anonymous in three games so far this season.
He won't score the goals to get us promoted, we paid £200k for him. The only way he'll be of any value to us is if we make over £1m on him and allows to make space in both the squad and wage cap.Bowyer said at the start of last year that Bonne was going to be a work in progress and to be signed as such whether we were in championship or League 1.I hope we keep hold of him but have enough of a squad to not rely on him week in week out3 -
Suppose the usual question to ask first is how reliable is footballinsider247?3
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Wait what... We're in for Nkietah???johnnybev1987 said:How do people just drop names in here with no substance , or link to the rumour at least?
like me saying Nikiteh ... then a million replies which have just come from someone name dropping.
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killerandflash said:
I slightly worry that he doesn't done it for 2 seasons now. Clearly Walsall got the best out of him, but he didn't do it for Posh before he joined them or for Bolton and us subsequently.JoshAddick said:
Can’t be getting rid of Oztumer imo. You said yourself the other day we lack goals in the squad, so why sell an attacking midfielder who’s proved that he can score goals at this level?golfaddick said:
I really think Oztumer is surplus to requirements. If we are going to be limited on numbers I'd rather bring in a RB & CB & get rid of a midfielder or 2.Cafc43v3r said:
We wouldn't, Davidson would go out on loan. Bowyer has only played with a winger because he has got one. He will almost certainly not play with 2. Williams, Oztumer and Chucks are his tens. JFC and the lad from Norwich would be the cover for Purrington.Jackosleftboot said:
So that would leave us with five strikers which seems excessive, when you consider we would have only one left back, purrington who i dont rate and is injury prone, no right winger and no attacking midfielder who is likely to chip in with many goals. I have no issue with bringing in defenders but not sure we need five strikersCafc43v3r said:As I understand the delay on Matthews and one other is its a balancing act between 3 perms and 1 loan.
Bowyer wants a first choice striker, center back and right back. Plus another forward. After that it will be 1 in, 1 out.
I think the problem is the second striker as they want an u21 loan but can't guarantee game time.
They want the Danish striker, Matthews and my center half but may look at replacing one of them with a loan to bring in the extra forward on a perm.
Walsall built there side around Oztumer's ability to score goals from midfield, giving him the platform and freedom to do so.
Bolton didn't. Nor Charlton, where he play's as a cog in the wheel, rather than with the freedom to roam.
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All Bonne really brings to the team is being a goal scorer, so when for whatever reason he's not scoring goals he's a passenger.
I would like to keep him as I think he will be fine once he gets that first goal but at the moment there's no goals coming from midfield either and Washington is not (historically) a particularly efficient finisher so it's hard to see where goals are coming from.
Bonne should only be sold if whoever replaces him is indisputably an improvement as we cannot afford (literally or figuratively) to gamble on potential at the moment.1 -
I mean... No striker is even worse....KentishAddick said:Sadly I think we should accept any amount above £1.5m for him. He did well at times last season but he needs far too many chances, which isn't a luxury we can afford at the moment.0 -
To compare, Grant scored 15 leagues goals in his last 50 games for us. Bonne scored 11 in 36 last season. Grant was in League 1, Bonne in the league above.
Despite this, people went nuts that we only got 1.5 for Grant but would be happy with the same for Bonne? I know he is a bit older but still don't understand that. Grant had a great 6 months but Bonne has scored goals at Champ level.11 -
At the end of the day I hope the maddison rumours are true I know Bows will get the best out of him.4
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how many chances did he miss last game?Chunes said:
If we do now sell Bonne it will be because Gallen, Bowyer et all don't rate him as much as everyone on here does, and the #BigBonneFanClub will have to eat it.ElliotCAFC said:
Bowyer, Jackson, Gallen and a quite a few of other club scouts must be idiots for rating him. All this time they could have consulted the football experts on Charlton Life and found out that he’s in fact terrible.killerandflash said:Baffled by the "get rid of Bonne" comments, and the way 11 goals in 33 Championship games is a sign that he's not good enough for L1. Especially as his goal scoring ratio compared favourably to most other strikers in the divisionNot only have they worked out something Bowyer and his staff couldn’t, these experts are also able to sign a younger, better striker who is guaranteed to get 20+ goals a season. It’s a shame football clubs neglect all this grassroots scouting on Internet forums, they almost certainly know better than the professionals.
Sarcasm to one side, there’s a nice middle ground between “Bonne will get 25 goals this season guaranteed” and “Bonne is terrible we should accept any offer we get”.
When Bowyer is saying we need to sign a goalscorer because we can't keep missing chance after chance, that's not a endorsement of Bonne's position in the team. That is Bonne's only role in the team.
Just a reminder last season he played 26 matches, only had the service for 51 shots and was on target with 23. 15 were off target and 13 were blocked.
Of those 23 on target he scored 11.
With a goalscoring rate of 1 goal every 5 shots, he's locked on to score in his next game AND if we can get Maddison he could be the key to unlocking Bonne's goalscoring.
Obviously if there's an 'oven ready' deal for a striker that can perform better than that I say go for it Bow's we trust you.3
