Summer Transfer Rumours 2020 (DEADLINE DAY from pg.258)

carly burn said:

Heard Celtic are in for Snodgrass now.

Pretty much a done deal on loan. 

NornIrishAddick said:

Garrymanilow said:

It's not absolute priority but I'd still like to see us pick up a midfield spoiler. We're always better with that kind of player, a midfielder who can break up the play and then move it on. Bielik and Field made us better as a team overall by allowing the passers to move the ball on more quickly further up the pitch. Pratley is 600 years old and shouldn't be playing every game, so it would be good to bring in a younger player who is a bit more comfortable on the ball. I think we should be looking to shift Oztumer, JFC and maybe Lapslie as I don't really see them as being capable of playing the way we want to. We have a lot of midfielders but a lot of them play a very similar way and there's some in there who you'd rather not see play at all given the choice

I worry that we've never really seemed to give Oztumer much of a chance (I'd almost be inclined to see if we could play him with Aneke, more as a kind of auxiliary striker than our normal interpretation of attacking midfielder).

My feeling is that he has been playing too far away from goal for us (often only on the field when we're on the back foot), and that his positioning for Walsall was further forward.

I can honestly see him as one we sell on, only to have him haunt us in the future (admittedly, there have been a few).

I agree, we've never really played the right way to get the best out of Oztumer. When we play the diamond Bowyer always likes to have the player at the tip be industrious and able to get back onto his own 6 yard box to defend as well as create chances for the strikers. He likes a holder, a box to box player, a passer and a creator, but he wants every single one of those midfielders to be able to press, defend and close down gaps when the opposition has the ball. It's a bit of an issue because that sort of player is in relatively short supply and we rarely seem to bring that one in. Williams is close, the hybrid of deeper playmaker and 10 who can drive forward with the ball, and Aribo was one Bowyer loved in that role. Oztumer though is a classic 10; sits in the space, picks the ball up and looks to spray out passes or shoot from distance, and we just don't use a player like that. Ben Reeves was the same and he was usually played deeper in the midfield because Bowyer didn't trust him at 10, and Billy Clarke was tried in the holding role rather than the tip of the diamond because Bowyer knew he was too much of an attacker to be trusted to take on that role. Oztumer doesn't have the pace to come in off the wing either, so he's ultimately just a player who doesn't fit into the team. I think he's talented and I wish he used him better, but if we aren't going to then it would be better to clear a space in the squad and on the wage bill for someone we can use right

Oggy Red said:

NornIrishAddick said:

Garrymanilow said:

It's not absolute priority but I'd still like to see us pick up a midfield spoiler. We're always better with that kind of player, a midfielder who can break up the play and then move it on. Bielik and Field made us better as a team overall by allowing the passers to move the ball on more quickly further up the pitch. Pratley is 600 years old and shouldn't be playing every game, so it would be good to bring in a younger player who is a bit more comfortable on the ball. I think we should be looking to shift Oztumer, JFC and maybe Lapslie as I don't really see them as being capable of playing the way we want to. We have a lot of midfielders but a lot of them play a very similar way and there's some in there who you'd rather not see play at all given the choice

I worry that we've never really seemed to give Oztumer much of a chance (I'd almost be inclined to see if we could play him with Aneke, more as a kind of auxiliary striker than our normal interpretation of attacking midfielder).

My feeling is that he has been playing too far away from goal for us (often only on the field when we're on the back foot), and that his positioning for Walsall was further forward.

I can honestly see him as one we sell on, only to have him haunt us in the future (admittedly, there have been a few).

Walsall got the best out of Oztumer, with a stunning goals return.

But then they set their team up to allow Ozzy to perform, almost a free role, licence to make runs from deep unmarked and exploit pockets of space. He scored many of his goals with late runs.

They didn't seem to play him alongside the striker though.

I suppose what I was trying to suggest is a more advanced position than we've generally had him, so that he would be first to support a striker (which would probably mean taking away most defensive responsibilities).

We know he can be a real attacking threat at this level, why not see if we can accommodate him as an attacker?

Randers have just sold a Danish U21 international striker to Preston for a significant fee - hence their interest in Schwartz.

NornIrishAddick said:

Oggy Red said:

NornIrishAddick said:

Garrymanilow said:

It's not absolute priority but I'd still like to see us pick up a midfield spoiler. We're always better with that kind of player, a midfielder who can break up the play and then move it on. Bielik and Field made us better as a team overall by allowing the passers to move the ball on more quickly further up the pitch. Pratley is 600 years old and shouldn't be playing every game, so it would be good to bring in a younger player who is a bit more comfortable on the ball. I think we should be looking to shift Oztumer, JFC and maybe Lapslie as I don't really see them as being capable of playing the way we want to. We have a lot of midfielders but a lot of them play a very similar way and there's some in there who you'd rather not see play at all given the choice

I worry that we've never really seemed to give Oztumer much of a chance (I'd almost be inclined to see if we could play him with Aneke, more as a kind of auxiliary striker than our normal interpretation of attacking midfielder).

My feeling is that he has been playing too far away from goal for us (often only on the field when we're on the back foot), and that his positioning for Walsall was further forward.

I can honestly see him as one we sell on, only to have him haunt us in the future (admittedly, there have been a few).

Walsall got the best out of Oztumer, with a stunning goals return.

But then they set their team up to allow Ozzy to perform, almost a free role, licence to make runs from deep unmarked and exploit pockets of space. He scored many of his goals with late runs.

They didn't seem to play him alongside the striker though.

I suppose what I was trying to suggest is a more advanced position than we've generally had him, so that he would be first to support a striker (which would probably mean taking away most defensive responsibilities).

We know he can be a real attacking threat at this level, why not see if we can accommodate him as an attacker?

It's no coincidence that Ozzy and Williams both played thier best games for us early on last season.

Both are brilliant "10s" at this level, if the team is set up right.  Both are average, at best, when it's not. Neither can play the "8" or out wide.  It would be suicidal to play either in the middle of a 442.

Are we going to play in a way that suits them?  The presents of Doughty and Maddison suggests not. 

When does the winter windows open? If we only have two months till we can start doing business again, that's a good thing

ButtleJR said:

https://twitter.com/RichCawleySLP/status/1313028802239434752?s=19

Everyone stand down. 

ValleyGary said:

mid_life_crisis said:

So Ben Godfrey is off to Everton for an initial £25M. Can someone please remind me how much Liverpool paid for Joe Gomez.

Watching last night it was too much....

Did you see Gomez last night? Lol



Just kidding 

I’m a bit confused about Schwartz. Reported fee of £220k for a striker even at age 31 is very cheap for clubs both in this country and in mainland Europe. Doesn’t appear to have been a stampede for his signature despite his scoring exploits last season. Even with little or even no competition for his signature, Charlton haven’t pulled this off. You have to wonder why ?

ricky_otto said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I’m a bit confused about Schwartz. Reported fee of £220k for a striker even at age 31 is very cheap for clubs both in this country and in mainland Europe. Doesn’t appear to have been a stampede for his signature despite his scoring exploits last season. Even with little or even no competition for his signature, Charlton haven’t pulled this off. You have to wonder why ?

You would hope it’s because Gallen and Bowyer have better options open to them. 

Agree but we’ve been pursuing it for quite a few weeks and has even been reported as being done. Surely all parties have known the salary restrictions from day one. I wonder why it’s fallen over.

Schwartz might not fancy league 1, or wage demands could be to much. 

We have the budget with wages, but why offer 10k to a 30yo when you can get two players who would be a good fit on 5k each for example