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Grenfell Tower Enquiry
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Nice to be in full agreement with you for once.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sorry about the other day 👍
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What is so sad is that nothing will happen to this guy.blackpool72 said:
Nice to be in full agreement with you for once.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sorry about the other day 👍
I can't even remember the other day.👍1 -
He should be locked up. He still works for the company FFS!0
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Thank fuck for that.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
What is so sad is that nothing will happen to this guy.blackpool72 said:
Nice to be in full agreement with you for once.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Sorry about the other day 👍
I can't even remember the other day.👍
I think I proposed to you.🤣4 -
In all seriousness you are correct.
Nothing will happen to him sadly.
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Seriously it is unbelievable. Nobody will be prosecuted.MuttleyCAFC said:He should be locked up. He still works for the company FFS!
If your family had died in this fire how would you feel? An utter disgrace. What a company.0 -
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He will probably be paid off and get another well paid job elsewhere. Unless they can prove he knew they were going to fail and still pushed it.0
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It’s criminal that this isn’t getting the news coverage that it deserves.0
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It's an absolute outrage tbf.Ross said:It’s criminal that this isn’t getting the news coverage that it deserves.
But let's just blame the firefighters instead
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It is getting news coverage this evening.Ross said:It’s criminal that this isn’t getting the news coverage that it deserves.1 -
Yep, things usually are our fault but not this. This is corporate manslaughter on a grandscale by cost cutting corporate twats.blackpool72 said:
It's an absolute outrage tbf.Ross said:It’s criminal that this isn’t getting the news coverage that it deserves.
But let's just blame the firefighters instead
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It was on the main news as I thought I knew the wanker who made the comment as we indirectly deal with them, I surprised he still got a job having meet a lot of there directors.cfgs said:
The only coverage was when the LFB were being criticised.Ross said:It’s criminal that this isn’t getting the news coverage that it deserves.0 -
Can we stick to Kingspan? On C4 news tonight.blackpool72 said:
It's an absolute outrage tbf.Ross said:It’s criminal that this isn’t getting the news coverage that it deserves.
But let's just blame the firefighters instead
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The Police arrested an individual from Forest Row a couple of weeks ago as part of the Grenfell inquiry. Rydons HQ is in Forest Row.
The component manufacturers of the cladding system Arconic, Celotex and Kingspan were content to push hazardous products into the marketplace and sought to market them dishonestly. These products should have been safe, they should have been tested and certified rigorously, and they should have been marketed in an honest and transparent fashion.
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BBC website. 9th news story. Below Rita Ora breaking lockdown rules and Scotland being able to order a scotch egg with a pint.
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Somebody has to be prosecuted...Addickted said:The Police arrested an individual from Forest Row a couple of weeks ago as part of the Grenfell inquiry. Rydons HQ is in Forest Row.
The component manufacturers of the cladding system Arconic, Celotex and Kingspan were content to push hazardous products into the marketplace and sought to market them dishonestly. These products should have been safe, they should have been tested and certified rigorously, and they should have been marketed in an honest and transparent fashion.
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If you really want to follow the Inquiry, there is blow by blow coverage in Construction Manager, including challenging questions and answers and statements from all those so far questioned - all of whom appear to be trying to ensure that someone else should take the blame.
Search Results for “grenfell” – Construction Manager (constructionmanagermagazine.com)
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I don't understand why this system was designed, I can only assume that the cladding is thought to look modern and easy to keep looking fresh.
If the same insulation was rendered I'm sure this disaster wouldn't have happened as there wouldn't be a chimney effect and the heat wouldn't have ignited it.
I wonder if this could still be an option? I guess not as insurance companies and residents won't want that.0 -
The fact they doctored the results of the fire testing and the way its being brushed over is shocking, it should be headline news. We have used both insulation companies numerous times in the past with potentially thousands of homes being involved.Addickted said:The Police arrested an individual from Forest Row a couple of weeks ago as part of the Grenfell inquiry. Rydons HQ is in Forest Row.
The component manufacturers of the cladding system Arconic, Celotex and Kingspan were content to push hazardous products into the marketplace and sought to market them dishonestly. These products should have been safe, they should have been tested and certified rigorously, and they should have been marketed in an honest and transparent fashion.
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If I'd lost family in that fire, I'd be paying these wankers a late night visit with a few cans of petrol.CAFCBourne said:
The fact they doctored the results of the fire testing and the way its being brushed over is shocking, it should be headline news. We have used both insulation companies numerous times in the past with potentially thousands of homes being involved.Addickted said:The Police arrested an individual from Forest Row a couple of weeks ago as part of the Grenfell inquiry. Rydons HQ is in Forest Row.
The component manufacturers of the cladding system Arconic, Celotex and Kingspan were content to push hazardous products into the marketplace and sought to market them dishonestly. These products should have been safe, they should have been tested and certified rigorously, and they should have been marketed in an honest and transparent fashion.
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I'm sure the fallout from this will come but as stated I can't believe 2 of the largest manufacturers on insulation in the country falsified its fire tests and it seem to have caused no more than a ripple. I thought it would be along the lines of the VW scandal3
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And worse....
Kingspan staff sent each other messages internally joking that claims about the fire performance of its insulation products were “lies” and that the K15 product, a quantity of which was used on Grenfell Tower, was a “shit product”.
The Grenfell Tower Inquiry heard details of an instant messenger chat between two of Kingspan’s technical team, Peter Moss and Arron Chalmers, that linked to an email sent by Moss on 9 November 2016.
The pair discussed a question about which Kingspan insulation products were class 0 (a surface of no flame spread).
Moss said: “Yeah, he wanted to use K7 and I said only K10/K110/K15 are comparable whereas K7 has a class 1 surface spread of flame but not a ‘class 0’ product.”
Chalmers replied: “Doesn’t get class 0 when we test the whole product though. LOL!”
Moss replied: “WHAT. We lied? Honest opinion now.”
Chalmers replied: “Yeahhhh. Tested K15 as a whole – got class 1. Wheyy. Lol.”
Moss replied: “Shit product. Scrap it.”
Chalmers said: “But England/Wales is worded in such a way that it ‘implies’ the facing can give you class 0. Scotland is written better, therefore our product is not class 0 in Scotland haha. But don’t tell anyone that.”
Moss then quoted Kingspan marketing literature: “Kingspan Kooltherm K15 is class 0 (non combustible).”
Chalmers replied: “All lies mate…Alls we do is lie in here.”
Hearings at the Grenfell Tower Inquiry have been suspended until 11 January next year, after a member of the Inquiry team tested positive for covid-19.
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If the inquiry doesn't deliver a verdict of corporate manslaughter then I despair4
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Why are people not in prison?0
