How good is our squad comparatively in League one?
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If we're going to play 442 and you consider Shinnie is definitely top 6 quality, then alongside Millar (surely also top 6 quality) and DJ (signed from a lower half side but had championship sides looking at him) then that's 3 of the 4 who are good enough.charlton_hero said:Our midfield are mid-table at best - JFC, Morgan, Watson and Pratley aren't top 6 quality.
Shinnie is the only top 6 midfielder we have in my view.
Smith might also be of that level too.
I'd say JFC is in or about top 6 level too.
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Strong squad as in numbers but so far not a good team from it.Where we lose out to most other teams is our weak midfield. Morgan, Shinnie, JFC, Pratley, Watson and Gilbey all poor in my view.0
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Hats off to @DamoNorthStand for his Lincoln squad assessment. This is a very interesting thread because we probably all sway from thinking this squad should be doing better, to then telling ourselves not to underestimate the opposition.
All I can say is that I think some of our players have taken a step down and may have been expecting an easier ride.
How many of our players have actually ever been in a promotion winning team? Shinnie springs instantly to mind. We have to remember that Lincoln are on a roll. Doncaster, Sunderland and Portsmouth are building on past failed attempts. We need our players to match their determination. It's not whether they are good enough, it's a question of an obsessive desire to succeed.0 -
Aye, aye aye aye.JoshAddick said:
Dijksteel is better than Gunter. Aribo is better than Shinnie.BR7_addick said:
Like for like in the XI I think 18/19 wins 5 to 3 with the remaining 3 a tie (Dijksteel v Gunter, Famewo v Sarr, Aribo v Shinnie)BR7_addick said:18/19
Phillips
Dijksteel, Bauer, Sarr, Purrington
Bielik
Cullen, Aribo
Williams
Taylor, Parker
Amos, Solly, Pearce, Pratley, Morgan, Lapslie, Reeves, Vetokele
20/21
Amos
Gunter, Inniss, Famewo, Maatsen
Pratley
JFC, Shinnie
Millar
Stockley, Washington
AMB, Matthews, Oshilaja, Morgan, Smith, Jaiyesimi, Aneke
Obviously our best XI and subs bench is well and truly up for debate as even bowyer doesn’t know it. But I think based on this two things are obvious:
Our 18/19 XI is better.
Our 20/21 bench is better.
And 20/21 bench wins 5-2.0 -
And its part of a managers to remit to nurture that mentality in the squad, and create the right approach.jimmymelrose said:Hats off to @DamoNorthStand for his Lincoln squad assessment. This is a very interesting thread because we probably all sway from thinking this squad should be doing better, to then telling ourselves not to underestimate the opposition.
All I can say is that I think some of our players have taken a step down and may have been expecting an easier ride.
How many of our players have actually ever been in a promotion winning team? Shinnie springs instantly to mind. We have to remember that Lincoln are on a roll. Doncaster, Sunderland and Portsmouth are building on past failed attempts. We need our players to match their determination. It's not whether they are good enough, it's a question of an obsessive desire to succeed.2 -
I think it’s hard to make the call until all their careers have finished. And I certainly wouldn’t think you’re mad for picking one over the other. But it’s fair to say Gunter and Shinnie have both achieved more than Dijksteel and Aribo at present. Five years from now of course Aribo could be in the premier league with 3 Scottish titles under his belt so I think it’s tough call currently.JoshAddick said:
Dijksteel is better than Gunter. Aribo is better than Shinnie.BR7_addick said:
Like for like in the XI I think 18/19 wins 5 to 3 with the remaining 3 a tie (Dijksteel v Gunter, Famewo v Sarr, Aribo v Shinnie)BR7_addick said:18/19
Phillips
Dijksteel, Bauer, Sarr, Purrington
Bielik
Cullen, Aribo
Williams
Taylor, Parker
Amos, Solly, Pearce, Pratley, Morgan, Lapslie, Reeves, Vetokele
20/21
Amos
Gunter, Inniss, Famewo, Maatsen
Pratley
JFC, Shinnie
Millar
Stockley, Washington
AMB, Matthews, Oshilaja, Morgan, Smith, Jaiyesimi, Aneke
Obviously our best XI and subs bench is well and truly up for debate as even bowyer doesn’t know it. But I think based on this two things are obvious:
Our 18/19 XI is better.
Our 20/21 bench is better.
And 20/21 bench wins 5-2.0 -
I was thinking CMs and DMs. JFC doesn't have enough to his game imo, he's no good at tackling and his passing is hit & miss.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If we're going to play 442 and you consider Shinnie is definitely top 6 quality, then alongside Millar (surely also top 6 quality) and DJ (signed from a lower half side but had championship sides looking at him) then that's 3 of the 4 who are good enough.charlton_hero said:Our midfield are mid-table at best - JFC, Morgan, Watson and Pratley aren't top 6 quality.
Shinnie is the only top 6 midfielder we have in my view.
Smith might also be of that level too.
I'd say JFC is in or about top 6 level too.0 -
Always remember .. it ain't what you got, it's the way that you use it0
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But the comparison is Aribo in February 2019 and Shinnie in February 2021. What else they do before or after is irrelevant.BR7_addick said:
I think it’s hard to make the call until all their careers have finished. And I certainly wouldn’t think you’re mad for picking one over the other. But it’s fair to say Gunter and Shinnie have both achieved more than Dijksteel and Aribo at present. Five years from now of course Aribo could be in the premier league with 3 Scottish titles under his belt so I think it’s tough call currently.JoshAddick said:
Dijksteel is better than Gunter. Aribo is better than Shinnie.BR7_addick said:
Like for like in the XI I think 18/19 wins 5 to 3 with the remaining 3 a tie (Dijksteel v Gunter, Famewo v Sarr, Aribo v Shinnie)BR7_addick said:18/19
Phillips
Dijksteel, Bauer, Sarr, Purrington
Bielik
Cullen, Aribo
Williams
Taylor, Parker
Amos, Solly, Pearce, Pratley, Morgan, Lapslie, Reeves, Vetokele
20/21
Amos
Gunter, Inniss, Famewo, Maatsen
Pratley
JFC, Shinnie
Millar
Stockley, Washington
AMB, Matthews, Oshilaja, Morgan, Smith, Jaiyesimi, Aneke
Obviously our best XI and subs bench is well and truly up for debate as even bowyer doesn’t know it. But I think based on this two things are obvious:
Our 18/19 XI is better.
Our 20/21 bench is better.
And 20/21 bench wins 5-2.
Shinnie was almost certainly a better player than Aribo in 2015 and Aribo will almost certainly be better in 2025.0 -
That’s the point I’m making. Short answer is it’s too hard to say. Both were/are stand out players.Cafc43v3r said:
But the comparison is Aribo in February 2019 and Shinnie in February 2021. What else they do before or after is irrelevant.BR7_addick said:
I think it’s hard to make the call until all their careers have finished. And I certainly wouldn’t think you’re mad for picking one over the other. But it’s fair to say Gunter and Shinnie have both achieved more than Dijksteel and Aribo at present. Five years from now of course Aribo could be in the premier league with 3 Scottish titles under his belt so I think it’s tough call currently.JoshAddick said:
Dijksteel is better than Gunter. Aribo is better than Shinnie.BR7_addick said:
Like for like in the XI I think 18/19 wins 5 to 3 with the remaining 3 a tie (Dijksteel v Gunter, Famewo v Sarr, Aribo v Shinnie)BR7_addick said:18/19
Phillips
Dijksteel, Bauer, Sarr, Purrington
Bielik
Cullen, Aribo
Williams
Taylor, Parker
Amos, Solly, Pearce, Pratley, Morgan, Lapslie, Reeves, Vetokele
20/21
Amos
Gunter, Inniss, Famewo, Maatsen
Pratley
JFC, Shinnie
Millar
Stockley, Washington
AMB, Matthews, Oshilaja, Morgan, Smith, Jaiyesimi, Aneke
Obviously our best XI and subs bench is well and truly up for debate as even bowyer doesn’t know it. But I think based on this two things are obvious:
Our 18/19 XI is better.
Our 20/21 bench is better.
And 20/21 bench wins 5-2.
Shinnie was almost certainly a better player than Aribo in 2015 and Aribo will almost certainly be better in 2025.0 -
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What a pity. I was looking forward to a sensible and informed discussion and learning more about the sides in the league. Instead it has turned into yet another let’s slag of our manager thread. Oh well.1
