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The Valley Pitch
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Yes, I'd be surprised. It would probably do more damage to the pitch as well if it goes ahead.mendonca said:
It's a definite cancellation then it sounds. You'll be more than surprised to see it go ahead it seems @Hex?Hex said:
The nights will do the damage.mendonca said:Mr Weatherman, it looks to be hitting a positive temperature on multiple upcoming days.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/u10hbuy8f#?date=2021-02-090 -
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randy andy said:
If the ground is saturated then any frost will penetrate deeper below the surface and it will take longer for the pitch to thaw, and then there will be even more water in the pitchCovered End said:
Affecting in what way?Hex said:
That would normally be about right on a cold night but the huge amount of rain is affecting that.Covered End said:The last time we had a game off because of a frozen pitch I recall CAFC saying the temperature of The Valley pitch (in a valley) was 2/3C below the official temperature on the weather report.
Thanks for clearing that up ladsHex said:
Keeping the soil warmer. It’s noticeable today how quickly paths are losing their snow despite the temperature being below freezing.Covered End said:
Affecting in what way?Hex said:
That would normally be about right on a cold night but the huge amount of rain is affecting that.Covered End said:The last time we had a game off because of a frozen pitch I recall CAFC saying the temperature of The Valley pitch (in a valley) was 2/3C below the official temperature on the weather report.
So it will take longer to thaw and will be quicker to thaw.
Evens Hex
2/1 randy andy.3 -
-4C/-5C Wednesday night.
-4C Friday night.
1C achieved by 2pm Saturday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/se7
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A huge well done to all of our ground staff who worked so hard at Sparrows Lane to make sure training could take place in the snow today #cafc3 -
Bring back the Braziers ... Defrost the pitch and roast yer chestnuts at the same time!
Maine Road in 1953
Swansea's Vetch Field 1959.
Burnden Park, Bolton 1938
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I recall going to Walsall where they had the braziers on the go. It didn't work and the game got called of, so we spent the afternoon on the piss in Birmingham.2
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I presume they take the covers off to let the pitch breath a bit then put them back on.2
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From the above, it looks like they have a strategy with the pitch to ensure the game can go ahead this Saturday.0
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Bitterly cold for the next 3 nights, and around freezing during the day, the groundstaff have a lot of work to do to keep the game on1
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It would be true to Charlton historical continuity if the ground staff and club struggle heroically to get everything ready and the match is played against all odds... Only for us to get completely gubbed by the lucky heather sellers 4-0.
Just saying.7 -
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The ground staff seem more confident. looking at the forecast for Charlton, it does seem to be getting colder in SE7 than predicted a few days ago. I remember reading that frost covers are effective in air temperatures up to -6 but I think -4 is pretty marginal from experience so we will have to see.0
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Fingers crossed that we can get the game on. I may be misremembering, but isn't there an area of the pitch that is problematic because it's shadowed by the Jimmy Seed Stand and gets little or no sun ? If so, I expect we'll try and work on that section with heaters etc.
The topography of The Valley is also relevant - as @Covered End says, the last time we lost a game because of a frozen pitch, the club said that temperature at pitch level was 2/3C below that in the official weather report.0 -
One postponed game was because the lino's running area (off the pitch) was frozen, although the pitch was ok.
It was on the north east side.0 -
Yes, I mentioned earlier that the temperature you see in weather forecasts is the air temperature, measured 4ft/1.2m above the ground (usually grass). The top ground layer (an inch or so) can create its own micro climate in the air immediately above, particularly in calmer conditions. As an example, currently in the vast lawned grounds of chateaux Hex, the air temperature is -1.8C while the ground/grass temperature is -4.4C.Blucher said:Fingers crossed that we can get the game on. I may be misremembering, but isn't there an area of the pitch that is problematic because it's shadowed by the Jimmy Seed Stand and gets little or no sun ? If so, I expect we'll try and work on that section with heaters etc.
The topography of The Valley is also relevant - as @Covered End says, the last time we lost a game because of a frozen pitch, the club said that temperature at pitch level was 2/3C below that in the official weather report.
So with a predicted low of -5 to -8 (air temperature) there may be a ground temperature of, say, -8C to -11C at The Valley. Can rain covers offer protection ?1 -
We don't have rain covers as far as I'm aware.0
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Thought we solved that by putting AstroTurf down?Covered End said:One postponed game was because the lino's running area (off the pitch) was frozen, although the pitch was ok.
It was on the north east side.0 -
Maybe, does Astroturf not freeze/not freeze as much?bolloxbolder said:
Thought we solved that by putting AstroTurf down?Covered End said:One postponed game was because the lino's running area (off the pitch) was frozen, although the pitch was ok.
It was on the north east side.0 -
Don't ask me mate I was an HR 👨Covered End said:
Maybe, does Astroturf not freeze/not freeze as much?bolloxbolder said:
Thought we solved that by putting AstroTurf down?Covered End said:One postponed game was because the lino's running area (off the pitch) was frozen, although the pitch was ok.
It was on the north east side.1 -
Providing the drainage is good Astro would be perfect for a light frost, if however there's a build up of water and then a frost it becomes harder than frosty soil and as such can be more dangerous.Covered End said:
Maybe, does Astroturf not freeze/not freeze as much?bolloxbolder said:
Thought we solved that by putting AstroTurf down?Covered End said:One postponed game was because the lino's running area (off the pitch) was frozen, although the pitch was ok.
It was on the north east side.0 -
They are frost covers designed for air temperatures up to -6 I believe.Hex said:
Yes, I mentioned earlier that the temperature you see in weather forecasts is the air temperature, measured 4ft/1.2m above the ground (usually grass). The top ground layer (an inch or so) can create its own micro climate in the air immediately above, particularly in calmer conditions. As an example, currently in the vast lawned grounds of chateaux Hex, the air temperature is -1.8C while the ground/grass temperature is -4.4C.Blucher said:Fingers crossed that we can get the game on. I may be misremembering, but isn't there an area of the pitch that is problematic because it's shadowed by the Jimmy Seed Stand and gets little or no sun ? If so, I expect we'll try and work on that section with heaters etc.
The topography of The Valley is also relevant - as @Covered End says, the last time we lost a game because of a frozen pitch, the club said that temperature at pitch level was 2/3C below that in the official weather report.
So with a predicted low of -5 to -8 (air temperature) there may be a ground temperature of, say, -8C to -11C at The Valley. Can rain covers offer protection ?0 -
Pour a couple of kettles of boiling water over the area.Dazzler21 said:
Providing the drainage is good Astro would be perfect for a light frost, if however there's a build up of water and then a frost it becomes harder than frosty soil and as such can be more dangerous.Covered End said:
Maybe, does Astroturf not freeze/not freeze as much?bolloxbolder said:
Thought we solved that by putting AstroTurf down?Covered End said:One postponed game was because the lino's running area (off the pitch) was frozen, although the pitch was ok.
It was on the north east side.
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That's actually Peter Garland's shorts.Dazzler21 said:
That's what the covers are for isn't it?Hex said:
The nights will do the damage.mendonca said:Mr Weatherman, it looks to be hitting a positive temperature on multiple upcoming days.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/forecast/u10hbuy8f#?date=2021-02-09
I miss our old inflatable pitch cover.
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evans hanky
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Any of our budding Wincey Willis' care to change their forecasts from earlier in the week on this one?0
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What is your prediction as to whether the game will go ahead?Off_it said:Any of our budding Wincey Willis' care to change their forecasts from earlier in the week on this one?0
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