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Chuks Aneke red card overturned
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How on earth did he score as highly as that?RedChaser said:The ref scored 2.36 in the players marks, the lowest for this and last season says it all 😏.2 -
🤷♂️ Referees union? 😉 I doubt whether the cub marked him very high or the assessor, assuming they have one at this level. Should definitely be stood down for a while.Athletico Charlton said:
How on earth did he score as highly as that?RedChaser said:The ref scored 2.36 in the players marks, the lowest for this and last season says it all 😏.0 -
Do you remember Gazza's mate Jimmy 5 bellies?Athletico Charlton said:
I didn't watch the game as was working in the garden but had the stream on my phone and was just listening to the commentary. My young lad of 8yrs old showed interest for a while but started laughing and saying he had never seen such a fat referee in his life. I didn't check but assume from your comments he was right.Covered End said:I wasn't optimistic when he waddled on to the pitch.
I watched the "highlights" at half time and the end and the disallowed goal, Second penalty and sending off of Aneke were dreadful decisions. To get so much wrong in one game is very unusual and makes you wonder why/how he managed it.
We would have lost anyway but if our goal had stood and their second pen was not given it would not have been quite so demoralizing. The 3-0 risks causing far more damage than one sending off. The ref should be banned for the rest of the season at least for that performance1 -
It was never a red. A foul maybe, as he jumped with his arm out (as you do), but he didn’t swing it at their guy. A yellow would have been harsh. Their player conned the ref into giving the red.addick1956 said:I am surprised. He slung his elbow back rather carelessly . Usually that stands. Perhaps EFL feel they owe us for the dreadful way they failed to relegate Wendies and allowing ESI et al to get away with crsp due to not EFL being4 -
cabbles said:Such a bad season when we’re clinging to this as something positive. Nothing against Aneke, but him being available to play tomorrow is about as exciting as getting Russell Slade to read me his tactical playbook from his time here as a bed time story.
I think this says more that a lot of fans have gotten themselves into a mental state where they will only see the negative in any situation around Charlton now. Chucks is our top goalscorer, offers us something different, and has been a match winner at times this season by way of a few moments of individual ability. It's excellent news that he is available.
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In your line of work taking responsibility may be the right thing to do. I'm sure that it is nothing like refereeing a football game.RedChaser said:
I didn’t say you had to be a qualified referee, I was just interested if you were, in case I’d touched a raw nerve.superclive98 said:
You don't need to be a qualified referee to know that it is wrong to criticise a referee for an honest mistake of his linesman.RedChaser said:
I am real we’re going to have to agree to disagree you don’t think he should criticised for the offside goal fair enough but I do. Are you a qualified ref? 😉superclive98 said:
Get real!RedChaser said:
Nothing, except take it on the chin, have a debrief with his assistant post match, hold his hands up and apologise. In the absence of knowing he’s done any of that he has to take the flack.superclive98 said:
What exactly is he supposed to do if his linesman flags for offside? He can hardly ignore it or overrule it unless, of course, he was in line with Stockley when the ball was crossed.RedChaser said:
That’s a reasonable point of view but he leads the team of officials the senior man in command, so the buck stops with him on behalf of his crew.superclive98 said:
Was it the referee who got the offside "goal" decision wrong or the linesman? I assume that it was the linesman.RedChaser said:The ref got two three* big decisions wrong, the Stockley offside goal that wasn’t and Chucks sending off, not that the latter mattered much in the overall scheme of things but Bowyers criticism of the officials was fully justified on this occasion.*and the second pen when he was conned
He may have been shit but it's a bit unfair to blame him for somebody else's mistake.
If that were to be the case then you might as well do away with linesmen altogether (some are so bad that you might as well do away with them!).
Of course he can’t be expected to see round corners but he gave the goal so its now about accountability on behalf of his team.If one of my team at work had made a cock up, I’d own the problem, take the flack and whatever action was necessary to try to prevent it happening again and most importantly, apologise to the customer.
In my honest opinion that’s what should have happened here. As he doesn’t appear to have done that from the radio silence, it is why he has to carry the can for all three of those wrong decisions.
Note to self; in future when criticising poor refereeing refer to ‘the referee and his team’ to cover all bases including the 4th official.
I'm not and never have been a referee but having played football and watched football for too many years than I care to remember I do realise that it is possible for errors to be made without blame necessarily having to be apportioned. You may have noticed discussions over recent months about VAR decisions over offside goals let alone split second decisions.
There does not need to be accountability when a mistake has been made unless that mistake is an obvious and massive error. If you are expecting referees to come out after a game and list the decisions that they got wrong then you will be waiting a long time. If they have made a catastrophic error then I think that it would be nice if they came out and said that they got it wrong (they won't) . Accepting a linesman's decision is not a catastrophic error and a linesman making a split second offside decision is not a catastrophic error.
I'd like to think that, over a season, those incorrect offside decisions even themselves out.
Do you seriously expect a referee to look at the TV after each game to double check the big decisions and if wrong, to come out and publicly apologise?
By the way, I don't think that they are able to go and check things with the fourth official.
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Got to be picked 1st...& not just sat on the benchsoapboxsam said:It's positive when your top goal scorer is available to play. Chuks gives 100% every game. Both him and Stockley never stop trying.0 -
It's not HIS team. The referee doesn't employ the assistants, so he's not responsible for their mistakes (and even with the offside decision it was hardly a complete clanger, I've seen 100s worse than that)RedChaser said:
I didn’t say you had to be a qualified referee, I was just interested if you were, in case I’d touched a raw nerve.superclive98 said:
You don't need to be a qualified referee to know that it is wrong to criticise a referee for an honest mistake of his linesman.RedChaser said:
I am real we’re going to have to agree to disagree you don’t think he should criticised for the offside goal fair enough but I do. Are you a qualified ref? 😉superclive98 said:
Get real!RedChaser said:
Nothing, except take it on the chin, have a debrief with his assistant post match, hold his hands up and apologise. In the absence of knowing he’s done any of that he has to take the flack.superclive98 said:
What exactly is he supposed to do if his linesman flags for offside? He can hardly ignore it or overrule it unless, of course, he was in line with Stockley when the ball was crossed.RedChaser said:
That’s a reasonable point of view but he leads the team of officials the senior man in command, so the buck stops with him on behalf of his crew.superclive98 said:
Was it the referee who got the offside "goal" decision wrong or the linesman? I assume that it was the linesman.RedChaser said:The ref got two three* big decisions wrong, the Stockley offside goal that wasn’t and Chucks sending off, not that the latter mattered much in the overall scheme of things but Bowyers criticism of the officials was fully justified on this occasion.*and the second pen when he was conned
He may have been shit but it's a bit unfair to blame him for somebody else's mistake.
If that were to be the case then you might as well do away with linesmen altogether (some are so bad that you might as well do away with them!).
Of course he can’t be expected to see round corners but he gave the goal so its now about accountability on behalf of his team.If one of my team at work had made a cock up, I’d own the problem, take the flack and whatever action was necessary to try to prevent it happening again and most importantly, apologise to the customer.
In my honest opinion that’s what should have happened here. As he doesn’t appear to have done that from the radio silence, it is why he has to carry the can for all three of those wrong decisions.
Note to self; in future when criticising poor refereeing refer to ‘the referee and his team’ to cover all bases including the 4th official.
And if we're talking about "customers", surely we the fans are the customers of the team's performance. Would we expect Deji to publicly apologise to us for giving away a penalty, or Bowyer to apologise for making 4 subs at half time (which suggests he got his team wrong). Pratley to apologise for getting sent off (and Bowyer to apologise for not subbing him) etc
Where does it stop?1 -
Looked well off at first view, real time. Totally understandable mistake when then ball pings around like that. That’s why they have VAR. watching the line and the ball is physically impossible at times.
so many on here ready to criticise the officials because it softens the blow of defeat, but I’m guessing 90% of people on here haven’t even read the laws of the game, let alone tried running a line or reffing a game.6 -
100% I thought it was well offside the first time I saw it in real time. It wasn't until the half time analysis showed otherwiseCloudworm said:Looked well off at first view, real time. Totally understandable mistake when then ball pings around like that. That’s why they have VAR. watching the line and the ball is physically impossible at times.
so many on here ready to criticise the officials because it softens the blow of defeat, but I’m guessing 90% of people on here haven’t even read the laws of the game, let alone tried running a line or reffing a game.0 -
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the blackpool defender should get the ban for the way he threw himself down0
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The play-acting for Pratley's red was bad as well. Had the physio on giving him the sponge in his face like he'd just been eye-gouged.Todds_right_hook said:the blackpool defender should get the ban for the way he threw himself down1 -
I thought the same and I asked the question about fourth officials giving decisions a while back, and no-one could answer. I do know that a few times this season the commentators have suggested that the referee had heard a "word in his ear". The penalty at Gillingham was one case in point.superclive98 said:
In your line of work taking responsibility may be the right thing to do. I'm sure that it is nothing like refereeing a football game.RedChaser said:
I didn’t say you had to be a qualified referee, I was just interested if you were, in case I’d touched a raw nerve.superclive98 said:
You don't need to be a qualified referee to know that it is wrong to criticise a referee for an honest mistake of his linesman.RedChaser said:
I am real we’re going to have to agree to disagree you don’t think he should criticised for the offside goal fair enough but I do. Are you a qualified ref? 😉superclive98 said:
Get real!RedChaser said:
Nothing, except take it on the chin, have a debrief with his assistant post match, hold his hands up and apologise. In the absence of knowing he’s done any of that he has to take the flack.superclive98 said:
What exactly is he supposed to do if his linesman flags for offside? He can hardly ignore it or overrule it unless, of course, he was in line with Stockley when the ball was crossed.RedChaser said:
That’s a reasonable point of view but he leads the team of officials the senior man in command, so the buck stops with him on behalf of his crew.superclive98 said:
Was it the referee who got the offside "goal" decision wrong or the linesman? I assume that it was the linesman.RedChaser said:The ref got two three* big decisions wrong, the Stockley offside goal that wasn’t and Chucks sending off, not that the latter mattered much in the overall scheme of things but Bowyers criticism of the officials was fully justified on this occasion.*and the second pen when he was conned
He may have been shit but it's a bit unfair to blame him for somebody else's mistake.
If that were to be the case then you might as well do away with linesmen altogether (some are so bad that you might as well do away with them!).
Of course he can’t be expected to see round corners but he gave the goal so its now about accountability on behalf of his team.If one of my team at work had made a cock up, I’d own the problem, take the flack and whatever action was necessary to try to prevent it happening again and most importantly, apologise to the customer.
In my honest opinion that’s what should have happened here. As he doesn’t appear to have done that from the radio silence, it is why he has to carry the can for all three of those wrong decisions.
Note to self; in future when criticising poor refereeing refer to ‘the referee and his team’ to cover all bases including the 4th official.
I'm not and never have been a referee but having played football and watched football for too many years than I care to remember I do realise that it is possible for errors to be made without blame necessarily having to be apportioned. You may have noticed discussions over recent months about VAR decisions over offside goals let alone split second decisions.
There does not need to be accountability when a mistake has been made unless that mistake is an obvious and massive error. If you are expecting referees to come out after a game and list the decisions that they got wrong then you will be waiting a long time. If they have made a catastrophic error then I think that it would be nice if they came out and said that they got it wrong (they won't) . Accepting a linesman's decision is not a catastrophic error and a linesman making a split second offside decision is not a catastrophic error.
I'd like to think that, over a season, those incorrect offside decisions even themselves out.
Do you seriously expect a referee to look at the TV after each game to double check the big decisions and if wrong, to come out and publicly apologise?
By the way, I don't think that they are able to go and check things with the fourth official.1 -
Blackpool players threw themselves to the floor and won a penalty and 2 red cards. Maybe we need to be a bit more nastyChunes said:
The play-acting for Pratley's red was bad as well. Had the physio on giving him the sponge in his face like he'd just been eye-gouged.Todds_right_hook said:the blackpool defender should get the ban for the way he threw himself down0 -
I wasn’t expecting that and spat my granola out all over the table. Unfortunately it’s a game day today and I doubt reading this site in 12 hours will make me laugh!addick1956 said:
Maybe their player did con him but most refs won't tolerate such actions. I do wonder why it is necessary to asking elbows about when jumping. It is not as if they can fly and surely Aneke knows it is not allowed. I have looked at it more than once and so have others....the problem is the ref has one shot at it. No VAR.JamesSeed said:
It was never a red. A foul maybe, as he jumped with his arm out (as you do), but he didn’t swing it at their guy. A yellow would have been harsh. Their player conned the ref into giving the red.addick1956 said:I am surprised. He slung his elbow back rather carelessly . Usually that stands. Perhaps EFL feel they owe us for the dreadful way they failed to relegate Wendies and allowing ESI et al to get away with crsp due to not EFL being
This ref was poor one of the worst I have seen and the 2nd penalty was odd to say the least. I still don't know of Stickley's attempt was offside. Was there a camera in line ?
Personally the offside rule is crap because you can be offside by an elbow or in women's football by a tit size. Ludicrous. Why not feet position ? Then the problem is the head being offside for a header.
Just go back to being just behind the defence. Perhaps the Victorian rule makers knew something we have forgotten.0 -
killerandflash said:
It's not HIS team. The referee doesn't employ the assistants, so he's not responsible for their mistakes (and even with the offside decision it was hardly a complete clanger, I've seen 100s worse than that)RedChaser said:
I didn’t say you had to be a qualified referee, I was just interested if you were, in case I’d touched a raw nerve.superclive98 said:
You don't need to be a qualified referee to know that it is wrong to criticise a referee for an honest mistake of his linesman.RedChaser said:
I am real we’re going to have to agree to disagree you don’t think he should criticised for the offside goal fair enough but I do. Are you a qualified ref? 😉superclive98 said:
Get real!RedChaser said:
Nothing, except take it on the chin, have a debrief with his assistant post match, hold his hands up and apologise. In the absence of knowing he’s done any of that he has to take the flack.superclive98 said:
What exactly is he supposed to do if his linesman flags for offside? He can hardly ignore it or overrule it unless, of course, he was in line with Stockley when the ball was crossed.RedChaser said:
That’s a reasonable point of view but he leads the team of officials the senior man in command, so the buck stops with him on behalf of his crew.superclive98 said:
Was it the referee who got the offside "goal" decision wrong or the linesman? I assume that it was the linesman.RedChaser said:The ref got two three* big decisions wrong, the Stockley offside goal that wasn’t and Chucks sending off, not that the latter mattered much in the overall scheme of things but Bowyers criticism of the officials was fully justified on this occasion.*and the second pen when he was conned
He may have been shit but it's a bit unfair to blame him for somebody else's mistake.
If that were to be the case then you might as well do away with linesmen altogether (some are so bad that you might as well do away with them!).
Of course he can’t be expected to see round corners but he gave the goal so its now about accountability on behalf of his team.If one of my team at work had made a cock up, I’d own the problem, take the flack and whatever action was necessary to try to prevent it happening again and most importantly, apologise to the customer.
In my honest opinion that’s what should have happened here. As he doesn’t appear to have done that from the radio silence, it is why he has to carry the can for all three of those wrong decisions.
Note to self; in future when criticising poor refereeing refer to ‘the referee and his team’ to cover all bases including the 4th official.
And if we're talking about "customers", surely we the fans are the customers of the team's performance. Would we expect Deji to publicly apologise to us for giving away a penalty, or Bowyer to apologise for making 4 subs at half time (which suggests he got his team wrong). Pratley to apologise for getting sent off (and Bowyer to apologise for not subbing him) etc
Where does it stop?Of course its his team, they are are appointed by the governing body to officiate and as we all know the referee is the main man. Of the two Assistants, one is senior to the other, should the ref need replacing due to injury.
Quote from wiki; As outlined in Law 6 of the Laws of the Game, the officiating team works together to enforce the Laws during a game, though the referee remains the final decision maker in all matters.’
You seem to to be missing the point and have taken my analogy to the extreme. The degree of the of error for the offside in question, has got naff all to do with the referee holding his hands up for several poor decisions by him and his assistants during the game.
Regarding players and managers apologising, of course not as a norm although they do now and again for an inept performance. I specifically remember Jacko doing so after Huddersfield away midweek in 2014. That was Fraye’s last game when we lost 5-0 and JJ arranged for the cost of our match day tickets to be refunded.
Just to make it clear @superclive98 I don’t expect the officials to give post match interviews after every game to explain away every contentious decision. However I do think where they have been clearly below standard, the main man should to put his hands up and then for governing body to take whatever action is felt appropriate regarding future match allocations. I live in hope rather than expectation though. I don’t think we are too far apart on the basic principle its just that we have differing levels of acceptability and tolerance.
Anyway enough from me on match officials, let’s hope we get a decent team of them tonight who give us two penalties and reduce the oppo to nine men, oh the irony 😄.
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That'll be the fat geezer bellowing from the touchline.Algarveaddick said:
I thought the same and I asked the question about fourth officials giving decisions a while back, and no-one could answer. I do know that a few times this season the commentators have suggested that the referee had heard a "word in his ear". The penalty at Gillingham was one case in point.superclive98 said:
In your line of work taking responsibility may be the right thing to do. I'm sure that it is nothing like refereeing a football game.RedChaser said:
I didn’t say you had to be a qualified referee, I was just interested if you were, in case I’d touched a raw nerve.superclive98 said:
You don't need to be a qualified referee to know that it is wrong to criticise a referee for an honest mistake of his linesman.RedChaser said:
I am real we’re going to have to agree to disagree you don’t think he should criticised for the offside goal fair enough but I do. Are you a qualified ref? 😉superclive98 said:
Get real!RedChaser said:
Nothing, except take it on the chin, have a debrief with his assistant post match, hold his hands up and apologise. In the absence of knowing he’s done any of that he has to take the flack.superclive98 said:
What exactly is he supposed to do if his linesman flags for offside? He can hardly ignore it or overrule it unless, of course, he was in line with Stockley when the ball was crossed.RedChaser said:
That’s a reasonable point of view but he leads the team of officials the senior man in command, so the buck stops with him on behalf of his crew.superclive98 said:
Was it the referee who got the offside "goal" decision wrong or the linesman? I assume that it was the linesman.RedChaser said:The ref got two three* big decisions wrong, the Stockley offside goal that wasn’t and Chucks sending off, not that the latter mattered much in the overall scheme of things but Bowyers criticism of the officials was fully justified on this occasion.*and the second pen when he was conned
He may have been shit but it's a bit unfair to blame him for somebody else's mistake.
If that were to be the case then you might as well do away with linesmen altogether (some are so bad that you might as well do away with them!).
Of course he can’t be expected to see round corners but he gave the goal so its now about accountability on behalf of his team.If one of my team at work had made a cock up, I’d own the problem, take the flack and whatever action was necessary to try to prevent it happening again and most importantly, apologise to the customer.
In my honest opinion that’s what should have happened here. As he doesn’t appear to have done that from the radio silence, it is why he has to carry the can for all three of those wrong decisions.
Note to self; in future when criticising poor refereeing refer to ‘the referee and his team’ to cover all bases including the 4th official.
I'm not and never have been a referee but having played football and watched football for too many years than I care to remember I do realise that it is possible for errors to be made without blame necessarily having to be apportioned. You may have noticed discussions over recent months about VAR decisions over offside goals let alone split second decisions.
There does not need to be accountability when a mistake has been made unless that mistake is an obvious and massive error. If you are expecting referees to come out after a game and list the decisions that they got wrong then you will be waiting a long time. If they have made a catastrophic error then I think that it would be nice if they came out and said that they got it wrong (they won't) . Accepting a linesman's decision is not a catastrophic error and a linesman making a split second offside decision is not a catastrophic error.
I'd like to think that, over a season, those incorrect offside decisions even themselves out.
Do you seriously expect a referee to look at the TV after each game to double check the big decisions and if wrong, to come out and publicly apologise?
By the way, I don't think that they are able to go and check things with the fourth official.1 -
I went against my own common sense and bought the stream for today. The reason is I think there is one thing going for us that is worth testing a bit and that is Stockley and Aneke up front. I suspect they will be the starting two given Bowyer's comments on Washington and Schwartz's difficulties getting into games at the moment.
I think Millar is a free role behind them and play a three man midfield deeper to protect the defence a bit but get them to join the attack faster (than we have been doing) when the front players win the ball might be the way to go.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I doubt I would have bought it if Aneke was suspended.0 -
Covered End said:
Independent regulatory commission, so no clarification or justification will be forthcoming, as usual one of the FA's "independent" panels makes up a decision off the cuff with zero accountability. These will be the same faceless nobodies that let SheffW, Birmingham and Derby get away with unapologetic flagrant rule breaking. Chuks didn't mean to whack anybody but intent is specifically not in the rules - careless and/or dangerous play are punishable with free kicks, cautions and dismissals. "accidental" is irrelevant. That's wrong headed nonsense of course but them's the rules. Chuks has been let off. CAFC is no better off. The fat inadequate Huxtable of course also gets off scot free after his game changing misdeeds.Rudders22 said:Wonder if ref reviewed it and realised the mistake
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We are definitely better off, as if the red card hadn't been overturned, he would have been banned for 4 games. The effect on Saturday's game was negligible, as we were never going to pull back a 3 goal deficitStigThundercock said:Covered End said:
Independent regulatory commission, so no clarification or justification will be forthcoming, as usual one of the FA's "independent" panels makes up a decision off the cuff with zero accountability. These will be the same faceless nobodies that let SheffW, Birmingham and Derby get away with unapologetic flagrant rule breaking. Chuks didn't mean to whack anybody but intent is specifically not in the rules - careless and/or dangerous play are punishable with free kicks, cautions and dismissals. "accidental" is irrelevant. That's wrong headed nonsense of course but them's the rules. Chuks has been let off. CAFC is no better off. The fat inadequate Huxtable of course also gets off scot free after his game changing misdeeds.Rudders22 said:Wonder if ref reviewed it and realised the mistake1 -
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Have to say we have had our fair share of shit refs and shit decisions this season, but Saturday was the pinnacle.
How that guy gets a gig as a referee even at our level is beyond me. Far too overweight and so far behind the game he was obviously guessing at many of his decisions. That’s why IMHO he fell for the diving and play acting of Blackpool players.
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Begs the question @Hartleypete whether he could still satisfy these fitness levels;
Before being allowed to officiate, level 4 referees (which includes both nominated and existing level 4 referees) must complete a fitness test set out by the FA. This consists of a 2600m run in 12 minutes, without stopping and 2x50m sprints in 7.5 seconds
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I doubt it.RedChaser said:Begs the question @Hartleypete whether he could still satisfy these fitness levels;Before being allowed to officiate, level 4 referees (which includes both nominated and existing level 4 referees) must complete a fitness test set out by the FA. This consists of a 2600m run in 12 minutes, without stopping and 2x50m sprints in 7.5 seconds
Also just looked him up, he has taken a bashing from a lot of managers over very dodgy decisions. Considering he has not had that many games it’s pretty damming.1 -
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And 5 games and counting without defeat and back in a play off spot...letthegoodtimesroll said:The season starts here...1 -
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