Cowleys V Mr Adkins

So glad we were not after them. 

mendonca said:

Yes, this whole 'we come as a pair' is a bit odd. 

MrOneLung said:

Yeah, would never have had Brian Clough having a partner. 

It would be ok(ish) if one was the manager and the other was the assistant in the background, but doing the introductory interviews together and, as @mendonca says the “whole ‘we come as a pair’ thing” is strange behaviour.

mendonca said:

Yes, this whole 'we come as a pair' is a bit odd. 

Is it any more odd than appoint Mccarthy and get Terry Connor as well? Big Sam and little Sammy, I think Jose takes about 6 people with him everywhere he goes.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Andy Crosby rock up here in the summer. 

Lots of managers have trusted No2s.  It's the fact they are also brothers that's unique. 

To answer the OP I would have happily taken the Cowleys and I don't understand a lot of the negativity towards them. Saying that in the long term Adkins more holistic approach will be more successful.  Adkins is a much better choice for the medium to long term.   

The Cowleys might have had more instant success (we will never know) but I would trust Adkins more to leave the club, as a whole, in a better state than he found it.  And, being honest, that's a much better fit for us and what we need. 

League One promotions:
Cowleys 0
Adkins 3

Championship promotions:
Cowleys 0
Adkins 1

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golfaddick said:

Current form.......

Cowleys 2, Adkins 0.

Oh Golfie,  I have a lot of respect for your ability to remind us not to get too above ourselves but really?

killerandflash said:

jimmymelrose said:

League One promotions:
Cowleys 0
Adkins 3

Championship promotions:
Cowleys 0
Adkins 1

  

I'm not sure those stats are particularly relevant seeing that Adkins is 14 years older, so it's not unreasonable for him to have more "medals". On that basis you'd never appoint a young manager as there'll always be an older one who's achieved promotion already.

You could also counter with how long ago their last promotion was

Cowleys - 2 years
Adkins - 9 years

killerandflash said:

jimmymelrose said:

League One promotions:
Cowleys 0
Adkins 3

Championship promotions:
Cowleys 0
Adkins 1

  

I'm not sure those stats are particularly relevant seeing that Adkins is 14 years older, so it's not unreasonable for him to have more "medals". On that basis you'd never appoint a young manager as there'll always be an older one who's achieved promotion already.

You could also counter with how long ago their last promotion was

Cowleys - 2 years
Adkins - 9 years

You could - but we're not at their level

I’m not excited about Adkins but he deserves a fair crack of the whip.  

Adkins has done it with different clubs .. Cowley failed when they went to a bigger club 

RonnieMoore said:

Adkins has done it with different clubs .. Cowley failed when they went to a bigger club 

They didn’t really fail .  Adkins’ last good season was 8 years ago. 

Todds_right_hook said:

RonnieMoore said:

Adkins has done it with different clubs .. Cowley failed when they went to a bigger club 

Where did cowley fail?

Apparently, as it keeps getting repeated, that they failed at Huddersfield.

They were rock bottom when they rocked up, had to cut the wage bill in January, and kept them up 100% of the job they were employed to do.

Just the same as Adkins "failed" at Hull.  Probably the same people that think Brendon Rodgers is currently failing at Leicester. 

wmcf123 said:

RonnieMoore said:

Adkins has done it with different clubs .. Cowley failed when they went to a bigger club 

They didn’t really fail .  Adkins’ last good season was 8 years ago. 

Only if you view everything in black and white with promotion being good and everything else being bad.

He kept Hull in the Championship in 17/18, they were in a relegation battle when he took over.

The following season they finished 13th and he resigned after failing to agree on the way forward with the board - Hull being a club known for having ownership issues.

If he takes us up and we finish 18th and then 13th in the Championship I’d call those both good seasons considering where we are now.

Covered_End_Lad said:

wmcf123 said:

RonnieMoore said:

Adkins has done it with different clubs .. Cowley failed when they went to a bigger club 

They didn’t really fail .  Adkins’ last good season was 8 years ago. 

This rhetoric seems to be repeated but is baseless. A good season is contextual, I would argue keeping hull up and stabilising them in mid table champ (after he left they immediately went down) are two good seasons that happened very recently.

Firstly I only want what’s the best for Charlton, therefore I want Adkins to succeed. Also I’m not too worried about the Cowleys vs Adkins debate, time will tell on that one, but players make teams. Jarrod Bowen scored 14 to keep them up in 17 the next season he scored 22 with Adkins, he is then on his way to a big haul in 19/20 without Adkins (16 in 29 games) when they sold him to west ham in January and were relegated. I think it’s arguable to say that sale was what done for them.