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Fans in football grounds 21/22 Season
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If we Lockdown nect year, it means either the vaccine boosters didn't work, or there's a nect lever strain doing the rounds. It really shouldn't get that bad again unless something goes tragically wrong.stevexreeve said:Even without Covid I suspect the public may not accept 20,000 "ordinary" deaths from flu over XMAS next year.
Lockdowns and restrictions may be a winter hazard for a few years to come - we'll just have to get used to it.1 -
If there are not capacity crowds at the start of the season, it's simply that everyone has gone completely paranoid with virusphobia like @ElfsborgAddick.
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...so that would limit our capacity to c.6,750. Are they going to stop selling season tickets when it hits this number?0
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That's based on the current restrictions, which will be lifted on the 21st June so not relevant for next seasonkafka said:...so that would limit our capacity to c.6,750. Are they going to stop selling season tickets when it hits this number?4 -
jimmymelrose said:If there are not capacity crowds at the start of the season, it's simply that everyone has gone completely paranoid with virusphobia like @ElfsborgAddick.
Paranoid you say?
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Which may be lifted on 21 June.killerandflash said:
That's based on the current restrictions, which will be lifted on the 21st June so not relevant for next seasonkafka said:...so that would limit our capacity to c.6,750. Are they going to stop selling season tickets when it hits this number?1 -
Some cracking hospitality deals at the smaller Clubs - already have my invite from Andy Holt.
Intend to do at least 6/7 of them next year - particularly the new grounds. Hoping a couple of Lifers will join in with me.0 -
Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.5 -
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Callumcafc said:Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.Somebody else that has virusphobia like me, join the club mate.Membership is standing at two presently.0 -
Would think this planet had never experienced a pandemic before, the way people are on about continuing with restrictions. Absolutely mental.stevexreeve said:Even without Covid I suspect the public may not accept 20,000 "ordinary" deaths from flu over XMAS next year.
Lockdowns and restrictions may be a winter hazard for a few years to come - we'll just have to get used to it.4 -
Nothing to do with virusphobia, just trying to look at it rationally.ElfsborgAddick said:Callumcafc said:Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.Somebody else that has virusphobia like me, join the club mate.Membership is standing at two presently.
With the season ticket numbers probably being in the 8000-10000 range, everyone who has bought one will get in a 27000 stadium from August. That’s my gut feeling.
I think it’s likely to be walk ups and away fans that will be restricted at first.0 -
Last year's opening up was a shamblesCallumcafc said:Think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves.Yes everything is looking positive recently but you have to be cautious. They’ve already tried to open the country up a few times and had to go back into lockdown when cases spiked. We have a vaccine this time which is (key word) likely to make all the difference but until we have solid data to back that up, it would be madness to have a free for all.
I know people want to go back to normal ASAP (who doesn’t?) but the sensible folks in charge of the science will rightly suggest a gradual return over the next 6-12 months.
This year (mainly thanks to the vaccine) the release from lockdown has been slow and steady. At every stage including today, the release of restrictions hasn't caused problems, whether children going back to school, non essential shops opening or pub gardens. We have solid data for every stage so far. Therefore, yes there's no guarantee that the final stage of release will happen on the 21st June, it's HIGHLY likely.
And Charlton, like every other club are proceeding on that basis.
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Think this is a bit unfair for the away teams, as they won’t be allowed any at their homes games. After all it’s the EFL and they should have a say in this, not like they are likely to make a decision.2
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yeah can't have one rule for one surely, either got to be home fans at both legs or not at all?3
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Don't go then and leave the rest of us who are prepared to take the minute risk more room.7
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I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start living again.
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I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.shine166 said:I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.13 -
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.bobmunro said:
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.shine166 said:I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.0 -
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They do have a say in it, but the government has to give permission first or there is nothing to decide.guinnessaddick said:Think this is a bit unfair for the away teams, as they won’t be allowed any at their homes games. After all it’s the EFL and they should have a say in this, not like they are likely to make a decision.0 -
Boris has already said that fans will be allowed into grounds from the 17th
Conveniently thats when the Play-Offs start
Barnsley (Swansea's opponents) for example are already preparing to be allowed fans in themselves as well
https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2021/may/important-ticketing-news/
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The play offs were recently moved back a week, when it looked likely some fans would be permitted.ForeverAddickted said:Boris has already said that fans will be allowed into grounds from the 17th
Conveniently thats when the Play-Offs start
Barnsley (Swansea's opponents) for example are already preparing to be allowed fans in themselves as well
https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2021/may/important-ticketing-news/1 -
Cheers, I did look at the dates last week and thought there looked a longer gap between the season ending and them startingCovered End said:
The play offs were recently moved back a week, when it looked likely some fans would be permitted.ForeverAddickted said:Boris has already said that fans will be allowed into grounds from the 17th
Conveniently thats when the Play-Offs start
Barnsley (Swansea's opponents) for example are already preparing to be allowed fans in themselves as well
https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2021/may/important-ticketing-news/0 -
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.shine166 said:
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.bobmunro said:
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.shine166 said:I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.2 -
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Perhaps his remark was aimed at you because he's fed up with people like you with such irrational fear who want to continue to deny us to live our lives.addick1956 said:
If you were referring to me explain why you made the comment. I was surprising what will be the reality simply because having screwed shut downs twice the government won't want to do it again.Addickted said:Don't go then and leave the rest of us who are prepared to take the minute risk more room.
I went in September on the 19th. It seemed quite safe and in the pubs we went to. However it was after this game someone noticed the virus was on the rise. That ended attendance to fixtures until December 2nd. After this one there have been no attendance fixtures to date. The reason was the virus was despite Boris's denials, on the rise even more.
I think your remark a go at me for the sake of it and without due consideration of the circumstances before. I have explained them to you.
You cannot compare pre-vaccine days with the present situation.
@Addicted has been very nice about it considering that we've had to pander to those with this phobia for so long. Perhaps he, like myself, has been relatively quiet due to the danger of variants but now this danger has passed I think you should expect greater resistance to your anti-freedom stance.
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Couldn't care any less what goes on at bluewater, if a negative test gets me into crossbars for 3 hours before the game and then in my seat for 90 mins then I'm all over it. If anything it's a sensible approach, cant see why anyone would be against it.Ross said:
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.shine166 said:
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.bobmunro said:
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.shine166 said:I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
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I guess the question is, what makes Crossbars any different to any pub up and down the country? (assuming that you don't need a negative test to get into one of them).shine166 said:
Couldn't care any less what goes on at bluewater, if a negative test gets me into crossbars for 3 hours before the game and then in my seat for 90 mins then I'm all over it. If anything it's a sensible approach, cant see why anyone would be against it.Ross said:
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.shine166 said:
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.bobmunro said:
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.shine166 said:I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.0 -
Crossbars is an extention of the ground. I guess the main issue is the amount of people, I know weatherspoons gets busy.. but its not upto 28000 people all in one space for 2 hours.Ross said:
I guess the question is, what makes Crossbars any different to any pub up and down the country? (assuming that you don't need a negative test to get into one of them).shine166 said:
Couldn't care any less what goes on at bluewater, if a negative test gets me into crossbars for 3 hours before the game and then in my seat for 90 mins then I'm all over it. If anything it's a sensible approach, cant see why anyone would be against it.Ross said:
It will be interesting if that is the case, seeing as thousands of people will be able to be in close proximity every day at Bluewater, Lakeside etc. without the need for a negative test.shine166 said:
Nail on the head, add to that.. that we'll probably still need a negative test for entry and we are good to go.bobmunro said:
I think the general message yesterday about moving to individual responsibility based on personal circumstances and away from government mandate is about right. If people choose to avoid things like crowds at football matches then that's fine - just as long as that small percentage who want to remain in sealed bubbles don't start accusing those who choose to go as being irresponsible.shine166 said:I sometimes wonder if there's a % of people that will never be happy to return to normality.. or on what term can we start loving again.
If things change and there's an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it might need further government intervention, but the chances of that happening are thankfully receding.
Life has to go on - lockdown isn't living.
I'm 99% certain that some music festivals will happen with a 'covid passport', cant see why football will be different.0
