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England Cricket 2021 (excluding Ashes)

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  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,902
    Addick Addict said:
    The really sad thing is that there will be any number of pro cricketers who are suffering in the same way but believe that they cannot afford to admit to to their county let alone go public. The ones who have little time left on their current contracts and who recognise that the any admittance of this could result in the end of their careers. The county should have a duty of care but who is going to pick a batsman or bowler who is not just out of form but mentally shot to pieces as a result?

    Equally, there is a reason why cricket has the highest percentage of suicides especially amongst ex players. There is just too much time for self analysis and with that can come self destruction. Leaving for a game on a Wednesday afternoon, spending four nights in a hotel and not getting home 'til the Sunday night, having failed with bat and/or ball. This isn't quite the same as having a bad 90 minutes of football but getting back home that night.

    I played a  couple of games with an up and coming lad back in the early 1980s by the name of Danny Kelleher. He went on to be on the Kent staff for half a dozen years, taking 6 wickets on his debut and also scoring a 50 against the Windies in a tour match. He was then released by Kent and joined Surrey but never played a game for them. At the age of 29 he took his own life by overdosing on the anti depressants that had been prescribed to help him with his issues.

    Stokes isn't the first high profile player to admit to such issues and I hope that he won't be the last. The PCA do a tremendous job but Stokes going public might just help those further down the food chain to seek help too.


    Was just going to write something similar..great that Ben is getting some help and wish him well. I hope he comes back even better. 

    Indeed,in relative terms cricket is a slow moving game..it has provided the medium for some fantastic literature over time as a result but sadly provides the opportunity for those to think too deeply maybe obsessively about themselves not just their game 

    David Frith wrote a book called "silence of the heart " ...a must read ...I think theres another called "by their own hand" but I could be wrong 

    The issue affects cricket per se not just the professional game 

    Get well soon Ben 
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,180
    golfaddick said:
    Didnt seem to bother him when playing in the IPL. Hey ho. 
    I’ve found the constant bashing of you recently to be quite excessive, but you’ve proved you are a twat with that comment. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,335
    He literally pulled out of the IPL when he sustained the finger injury? Quite aside from everything else? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Something has to give, with the glut of international matches AND the T20 leagues, it's not all down to the authorities as the players themselves also need to consider their priorities, balancing playing for your country against the wealth and excitement of the IPL and Big Bash. 

    Cricket has always been a tough game mentally, due to the amount of travel and time spent in hotels. Players would regularly duck out of the winter tour to save their sanity/marriages, usually the subcontinent ones.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,643
    arny23394 said:
    golfaddick said:
    Didnt seem to bother him when playing in the IPL. Hey ho. 
    I’ve found the constant bashing of you recently to be quite excessive, but you’ve proved you are a twat with that comment. 
    Sorry if I sounded insensitive. I just remember a few months ago Stokes was "allowed" to miss the very few home Test matches we had arranged before the "Hundred" started. Of course, he played in the opening games last week I seem to recall.

    I'm just pissed off that when a home Test series comes around players are missing because they are either "recovering" from their participation in overseas franchise matches (The IPL being the major one) or getting over injuries sustained in them. I was trying to point out that players mental health doesn't seem to be affected then......but now appears to be a problem when back in the UK. 

    Edit. Stokes may well have been injured from participating in the IPL & not excused leave. Either way, I feel if you are a centrally contracted Test player then that is where you should earn your corn.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    golfaddick said:
    arny23394 said:
    golfaddick said:
    Didnt seem to bother him when playing in the IPL. Hey ho. 
    I’ve found the constant bashing of you recently to be quite excessive, but you’ve proved you are a twat with that comment. 
    Sorry if I sounded insensitive. I just remember a few months ago Stokes was "allowed" to miss the very few home Test matches we had arranged before the "Hundred" started. Of course, he played in the opening games last week I seem to recall.

    I'm just pissed off that when a home Test series comes around players are missing because they are either "recovering" from their participation in overseas franchise matches (The IPL being the major one) or getting over injuries sustained in them. I was trying to point out that players mental health doesn't seem to be affected then......but now appears to be a problem when back in the UK. 

    Edit. Stokes may well have been injured from participating in the IPL & not excused leave. Either way, I feel if you are a centrally contracted Test player then that is where you should earn your corn.
    Not 'appears'. Is. 

    By your logic, players should play through injuries sustained abroad. Utterly ridiculous. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    Stokes had looked knackered and frazzed out for a while .. I think his dad's death hit him very hard .. he needs and will now get a good rest .. let's hope the meedja leave him alone give him some peace
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,810
    Addick Addict said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    So, who drops out of the batting line up when Stokes and Morgan are available too? 

    Roy and Bairstow? 
    It's a tricky one. 
    Nice for the selectors to have a problem 
    Malan and Tom Curran go. Malan because he is such a slow starter and chews up balls early - in 8 of his last 10 innings he has scored the combined total of 21 runs off 49 balls. None of the other batsmen in the frame need that sort of platform. Livingstone bowls too and offers us a 3rd spin option.

    If the T20 WC was right now and everyone was fit then this would be my team (batting order to be decided upon):

    Buttler
    Roy
    Livingston (b)
    Bairstow
    Morgan
    Stokes (b)
    Moeen (b)
    Jordan (b)
    Rashid (b)
    Archer (b)
    Wood (b)


    Quote from Moeen Ali, captain of the winning side today, "We kept Malan in, which was good for us" 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    big week for Root, his captaincy is generally lacklustre and he's yet to win an ashes series. India are very beatable, I reckon that more and more the top Indian players concentrate on the one day formats
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,166
    Has stigthundercock been banned , I do miss his root and co rants 

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,335
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Has stigthundercock been banned , I do miss his root and co rants 
    He left, and at around the same time a new poster called Billy_Mix showed up, with a distinctly Thundercockian take on player marks and a familiar style of ludicrous ranting
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,678
    I've got a weekend in Worcester, Leicester & Northampton this weekend watching Royal London Cup games. Gonna be very strange watching glorified club cricketers all weekend! 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,335
    Pelling1993 said:
    I've got a weekend in Worcester, Leicester & Northampton this weekend watching Royal London Cup games. Gonna be very strange watching glorified club cricketers all weekend! 
    You leave my Pears alone
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,678
    A few friend's and I are trying to visit every county ground in the next couple of years. After this weekend I'll have Derby, Glamorgan, Notts & Durham left


  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,946
    I'm going to the oval for the RLODC on Thursday.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,166

  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,678
    oohaahmortimer said:

    Absolute joke! 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    Batting.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    Burns
    Sibley 
    Crawley
    Root 
    Bairstow
    Lawrence 
    Buttler 
    Curran 
    Robinson 
    Broad 
    Anderson 

    I guess Joe Root is extremely confident of his ability to spin them out in the fourth innings. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    no spinner for England, excepting Root

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Pope's injury presumably still affecting him. His fitness record is awful
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,286
    He is going to have to bowl quite a bit as well with 4 seamers, who we must be careful not to over bowl
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,962
    Odds on Bairstow being bowled?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Lincsaddick said:
    no spinner for England, excepting Root
    No pace bowler either

    Curran is a fairly weak 4th bowler too when you only have 4 main bowlers
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,335
    Lawrence gives it a bigger rip than Root. Leach ahead of Curran would have been an option but Curran has lucky mascot status (ditto Bairstow)
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,335
    Or indeed Leach ahead of Bairstow and shove everyone up a place
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,341
    I love the way the England team gathers together, pre-match and stands, silently, in an act of unity to declare, openly that cricket is very much a sport for everyone, unless you're a slow left-armer. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,962
    edited August 2021
    Good start....
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,180
    Was just about to post that it’s the first time in ages that I’ve watched the start of a test, but I did know England lose wickets early very often. Couldn’t even last an over ffs.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,879
    Burns was keen to get back to the dressing room and watch the Olympics

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