Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

As I mentioned the other day, was hoping we’d be in for Jones. Good pickup that for wigan 

cafcfan1990 said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Scoham said:

LargeAddick said:

Halifax Addick said:

I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening. 

It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.

Being in the Championship helps. A lot.

They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.

That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.

Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years. 

But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have. 

That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently. 

But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked,  I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years. 

They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.

It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.

Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?

I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.

We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.

buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.

Interesting what the Peterbro chairman said about it’s taken 3 months to get the Randell completed …. Lot of teams cannot but players because they accepted hand out from the premiership so are refusing to release their players .. others are reluctant to sell until they get the players they want .. it’s been the most difficult window ever 

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Scoham said:

LargeAddick said:

Halifax Addick said:

I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening. 

It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.

Being in the Championship helps. A lot.

They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.

That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.

Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years. 

But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have. 

That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently. 

But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked,  I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years. 

They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.

It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.

Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?

I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.

We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.

buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.

All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit. 

BR7_addick said:

Back to rumours then.  

Madger Gomes not signed yet, does this mean someone else is incoming instead?  They did say they’ll decide in the week but it’s Wednesday lunch already and nothing.  Surely if it’s not wrapped up by tomorrow it’s a no?  We could do with one more body on the bench for the weekend.

Think it will probably be like the Callum Harriott situation a couple seasons ago. He’s good enough, but not our first choice. If we end up not being able to get in our first choice, then he will sign. If we can get our first choice, I’d expect him to go.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Scoham said:

LargeAddick said:

Halifax Addick said:

I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening. 

It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.

Being in the Championship helps. A lot.

They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.

That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.

Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years. 

But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have. 

That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently. 

But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked,  I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years. 

They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.

It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.

Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?

I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.

We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.

buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.

All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit. 

They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade.  Then sold them for a profit.  You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.

If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion.  Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.

However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.

Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense.  Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea. 

Rothko said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Scoham said:

LargeAddick said:

Halifax Addick said:

I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening. 

It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.

Being in the Championship helps. A lot.

They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.

That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.

Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years. 

But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have. 

That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently. 

But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked,  I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years. 

They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.

It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.

Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?

I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.

We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.

buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.

All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit. 

They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade.  Then sold them for a profit.  You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.

If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion.  Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.

However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.

Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense.  Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea. 

Dobson, Stockley, Clare and Famewo fit the 3 or 4 players of quality argument? 

I don't think Stockley has got any great resale value?  The other 3 possibly do in terms of quality but Peterborough made an active decision to almost exclusively invest in attacking players, often well over paying for them and over paying them.  Often at the expense of having a good team. 

Rothko said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

Henry Irving said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Scoham said:

LargeAddick said:

Halifax Addick said:

I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening. 

It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.

Being in the Championship helps. A lot.

They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.

That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.

Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years. 

But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have. 

That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently. 

But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked,  I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years. 

They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.

It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.

Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?

I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.

We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.

buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.

All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit. 

They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade.  Then sold them for a profit.  You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.

If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion.  Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.

However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.

Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense.  Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea. 

Dobson, Stockley, Clare and Famewo fit the 3 or 4 players of quality argument? 

Yes but Famewo not our player currently

Peterborough still lose millions the majority of seasons.  They mainly make money on forwards, many of whom are below average in the champ.  It is a model, but one that requires underwriting from new investment.  Brentford made similar losses to us when we were both in the champ.  They had a longer term model than us both previous and after.  They have reaped the benefits with decent profits from sales recently.  Still needed multiple yearly cash injections of 10-15 million.

However you look at it you need much more money to operate in the champ.  But pursuing a strategy and improving that within your budget is crucial.  Doing a Derby or Sheff Wed shouldn't be an option for anyone.

Been a lot of activity from those around us in league 1, I’m sure it’ll be our turn soon

SoundAsa£ said:

I’ve mentioned this briefly before but one of the problems is the cost of housing/living in the SE.
Attracting young unmarried players is not quite so much of a problem, however it does become quite a thing for older married players with families.
To uproot from elsewhere and move down to the London area is a considerable increase in outgoings.
Let’s say a three year deal is on offer. What do they do….buy or rent……take into consideration that they probably already own a property elsewhere as well?
We then are at a distinct disadvantage because the salaries will be very similar wherever they are in the country, but ‘not’ the cost of living.
Something to think about and certainly a factor to be taken into account.

These players will be on £200k to £250k p.a.  that easily gets them a mortgage of £800k to £1M if they're even seriously considering buying.  Yes property prices are high in the SE London region but that sort of budget buys plenty to house a family
If contracts are 3 years or less, they'll be looking to rent and the cost disparity there is much much smaller
They've all got agents to help out with this sort of thing.  Charlton also has the very best in player support in TJL
There's a reason houses are pricier hereabouts than in unflushed sewers like Portsmouth, Crewe, Wigan, Ipswich, Peterborough
Chislehurst or Southsea?  Really  FFS Dartford's a much nicer place to be than any of those mentioned
If it's any real factor, housing costs are way down a long list of issues.

stoneroses19 said:

I see today’s topic for the rumours thread is house prices and mortgages. 

Obviously. What else is a rumour thread going to be about?