Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

ricky_otto said:

redbuttle said:

MickeyBennett said:

redbuttle said:

MickeyBennett said:

Really is remarkable how few cafc rumours are out there.

Here's a rumour. Some of our fans moan all the time.

Not a rumour I'm afraid redbutthole.

That was hilarious you twat

This is more like the Rumours thread that we know and love. 

That's what happens when you start taking the piss.

absolutely no reason why Stockley can't replicate Taylor's goalscoring record at this level with the right service.

Todds_right_hook said:

esseffect said:

charltonbob said:

esseffect said:

Lyle is a bastard. But he was quality for us I don’t think there’s any denying that. 

I don’t know why some were surprised in him leaving, he did the same to Wimbledon when joining us!

It wasn't the leaving at the end of his contract, I think it may have had something to do with the fact that he went on strike when we needed all our squad to give their all in the fight against relegation. Total wanker. 

Solly did the same, why doesn’t he get a abuse?

There’s a thread on this. Rumours that bowyer was bullying him and said that Solly walked when this wasn’t necessarily the case (I think)

Solly egged Taylor on by telling him that Forest fancied him because he was jealous of the attention he was getting and then he went behind his back to Bowyer and told him he had seen him with the Forest manager.  Bowyer had a big row with Lyle and in the heat of the moment he said he was leaving and then it all came out and Bowyer blamed Solly because despite everything he and Lyle really loved each  other, but it was too late, too much had been said (mostly to the press in post match interviews) and Lyle left, in tears.  Bowyer never forgave Solly and he couldn't forgive himself either and he just walked out one dark rainy night.  And so the sad sad story ends.

SoundAsa£ said:

charltonbob said:

esseffect said:

Lyle is a bastard. But he was quality for us I don’t think there’s any denying that. 

I don’t know why some were surprised in him leaving, he did the same to Wimbledon when joining us!

It wasn't the leaving at the end of his contract, I think it may have had something to do with the fact that he went on strike when we needed all our squad to give their all in the fight against relegation. Total wanker. 

Fighting relegation????

Well what would you call it ?????

Addicktion said:

Just caught up with over 1000+ posts as I've been away from my phone since Friday. Wish I hadn't now but the personal highlight was the made up rumour 

Which one? 

purrington following Jephcott on Instagram Don’t know if that means anything but there you have it…

Pavoren007 said:

purrington following Jephcott on Instagram Don’t know if that means anything but there you have it…

Purrington came through the Plymouth academy. Probably follows a lot of their players and the club themselves.

mart77 said:

I feel for all those who’ve left the ‘rumours thread’ for a few hours to come in to lots of messages just to find the above! 

So, 108 unread posts, what have I missed….

ricky_otto said:

May have been mentioned earlier in the thread (I really can’t be bother to trawl through it), but have heard we have an offer on the table for Luke Jephcott - figure mentioned was £600k. Could be BS, but thought I’d share.

Callumcafc said:

Found the source on Jephcott 600k…

My Portslade/Portsmouth/Peterborough/Plymouth based family confirmed it is in all the invisible papers.

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cafcfan1990 said:

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ShootersHillGuru said:

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LargeAddick said:

Halifax Addick said:

I see Joe Randall has signed for the Posh this evening. 

It’s Joel but to be honest it’s the sort of business I expected us to be doing this summer. Young, hungry players with the potential to improve and either take us on to the next level or be sold on for a massive fee. Peterborough have got this down to a tee. And a four year deal too.

Being in the Championship helps. A lot.

They’re in the Championship because they’ve had that policy for a number of years. It’s worked and they’re carrying on with it. Sounds sensible to me. As Large said. That’s what a lot of us thought would be Charltons strategy.

That strategy also took Peterborough 8 years to get out of league 1.

Peterborough are not a Sheffield Utd or Wednesday. Or a Charlton or an Ipswich or a Wigan. They are a relatively small town club that have found a way to improve their situation. speculate to accumulate. I think it arrogant to assume the teams I have mentioned above have any better chance of promotion from league one in eight years. 

But they also don't lose 10 million a year just to stand still because they don't have the overheads that a Charlton, an Ipswich or Sheffield Wednesday have. 

That’s our problem not theirs. Their recruiting means they are progressing as a club. They spend quite big and sell quite big. Unless we find a way of getting out of league one we might well swap places with clubs like Peterborough permanently. 

But very slowly. They were solid and sustainable, not successful. Like Cafc43v3r said, it took them 8 years, I can't see how that proves their strategy worked,  I don't want to be in League 1 for 8 years. 

They've also had stable, sensible ownership for a lot longer than that where as we have had chaos and crooks.

It takes longer to reclimb a hill than it does to fall down it.

Absolutely, totally agree. But do we really want to follow their lead and stay in the League for nearly a decade? They are a smaller club than us and have done ok, can't fault the way they have operated. However, if we bought a couple of players every summer for a total outlay of 1mil, then made a profit every summer of 3/4 mil on player sales without that money being reinvested, don't you think there would be uproar?

I don't think we should follow their model any more than we should follow Brentford's.

We can learn from both but our issue hasn't been having good players to sell, we've had lots, it has been selling them too early, too cheap and then not re-investing that money in either the training ground (to get Cat 1 status as Roland said the Lookman money would be spent) or in other good players.

buy low, sell high is not really a new idea in football or anywhere else.

All true but Peterborough haven’t always “bought low” they have actually bought, for a league one club quite high and then sold on at a profit. 

They have bought high and paid very good wages for attacking players for over a decade.  Then sold them for a profit.  You can go back to Aaron McLean and CMS, or probably even longer.

If we went out and bought 3 or 4 players of the quality Peterborough have historically done, this summer, we would be favourites for promotion.  Due to the fact we pay superior wages, so have better players (in theory) in the other positions and a significantly better academy.

However if we stayed in league 1 for 8 years we would need to generate north of 50 million quid in player sales before we could invest or progress in any way shape or form. If we finished 7th or 8th every season and sold our best 2 players and replaced them from nonleague or league 2 every season it wouldn't be long before there were pigs on the pitch.

Any talk of models and sustainability in league 1 is nonsense.  Unless the model is buy and sell better. Which isn't a ground breaking idea. 

Dobson, Stockley, Clare and Famewo fit the 3 or 4 players of quality argument? 

I don't think Stockley has got any great resale value?  The other 3 possibly do in terms of quality but Peterborough made an active decision to almost exclusively invest in attacking players, often well over paying for them and over paying them.  Often at the expense of having a good team. 

If Stockley is banging in goals for fun, there's every chance a Championship club could think that was exactly what they needed in January?

Silly money could talk, perhaps?

Especially a team recently relegated from the Prem, still with parachute money in their pocket.
Whether we'd want to sell or even Stockley want to go, is another matter of course.

He's played a lot of Championship games and his record is not that good. 

2018-19 - 17 Apps, 4 Goals
2019-20 - 42 Apps, 4 Goals
2020-21 - 16 Apps, 1 Goal

I think he'd have to do an awful lot to convince anyone he's worth another punt at that level.

He'd have to score goals for fun. Or at least be the focal point, enabling team mates to score plenty.
Target man lone forwards often have to sacrifice their own game, for the team effort and results.

A Championship club may think Stockley is just what they need, to do a job for the team, especially if they are struggling or hit by injury.


Meaningless stats without the context though.

It's easy to go on Wiki, quick glance at the players stats, and see that for Preston, Stockley made 65 appearances.
Then you check another site ..... and see he made only 21 starts plus 44 sub appearances, scoring 9 goals.

He scored 9 goals from 21 starts - not too shabby, although no doubt some goals came from his sub appearances.

44 sub appearances ...... how many minutes was he actually on the pitch each game: 30 perhaps; or 20; or perhaps only the last 5?
A player won't normally score too many goals if he's not on the pitch.

He started only 21 games over 2 and a half seasons. Does that mean he's rubbish, not up to the standard expected?

Or perhaps it was the Preston manager's formation, gameplan that left Stockley on the bench?
He's a target man and perhaps there was a different player preferred, because he was better suited to their gameplan? Perhaps Stockley was the Plan B, to change things around if the match demanded?

Stockley has a certain way of playing - play to his strengths, with decent service and he's a handful. 
If you don't play to his skillset because you have a different tactic or gameplan, then he's wasted or won't get full game time.

To thrive, players need to be at the right club at the right time. If your face doesn't fit, move on.
Stockley was keen to leave Preston remember. 

Covered_End_Lad said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Jac_52 said:

Be amazed if Plymouth accepted £600k for him.

I would be amazed if we bid for him 

I’m sure he was available on a free around a month ago before signing a new 2 year deal with Plymouth. Would we really offer 600k for a player we could have got for nothing? I’m sceptical at best, think we all know where the rumour has come from.

No club could have had Jephcott "for nothing".

He still had an existing contract running. His new contract he signed earlier this summer was basically a pay rise.

And by extending that contract by a further 2 years, protecting their value of the player, Argyle will feel that they are in a strong position to demand a bigger fee.