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  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,802
    Hopefully the start of the loan market moving, Premier League 25s need to be confirmed this week as well I believe? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    covered_end_junior said:
    Scoham said:
    Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?
    Highly rated by Spurs fans, the type of young player we should have been in for.
    Very inexperienced though, I'd be surprised if he became Sunderland's first choice considering he's never played a senior game
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,898
    my mate played for welling in the eighties when berry joined them just as he was finishing his career - said he was awful - i remember both of them as a kid and all i remember about them is lumping it into the channel and getting done for pace  
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,220
    covered_end_junior said:
    Scoham said:
    Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?
    Highly rated by Spurs fans, the type of young player we should have been in for.
    I can no longer tell if this type of comment is genuine, fantasy, or just a joke. 
  • Vfrf
    Vfrf Posts: 797
    Scoham said:
    Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?
    Probably just outbid us, Sunderland have lots of money than we do and have also been selective in their recruitment.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,673
    8 years out of the last 13 spent in the 3rd tier of English football says to me this is as bad as it's ever been. 
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,310
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,032
    Vfrf said:
    Scoham said:
    Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?
    Probably just outbid us, Sunderland have lots of money than we do and have also been selective in their recruitment.
    Does this mean Denver Hume becomes available? 
  • SomervilleAddick
    SomervilleAddick Posts: 3,575
    killerandflash said:
    covered_end_junior said:
    Scoham said:
    Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?
    Highly rated by Spurs fans, the type of young player we should have been in for.
    Very inexperienced though, I'd be surprised if he became Sunderland's first choice considering he's never played a senior game
    Zero appearances for Spurs, no loans to lower clubs. So absolutely no experience. 

    I can just imagine the reaction if we’d signed a left back with no league experience. I doubt anyone would be celebrating. 
  • covered_end_junior
    covered_end_junior Posts: 4,521
    stoneroses19 said:
    covered_end_junior said:
    Scoham said:
    Sunderland sign Dennis Cikrin from Spurs on a permanent deal. He’s a 19 year old left back. Another we’ve missed out on or are we looking for better?
    Highly rated by Spurs fans, the type of young player we should have been in for.
    I can no longer tell if this type of comment is genuine, fantasy, or just a joke. 

    It was genuine.
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  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,737
    Addicks59 said:
    Ben Thompson anybody.
    I'd take Emma Thompson at this moment in time...
  • esseffect
    esseffect Posts: 493
    When can I start wetting the bed?

    I’ve been laying here for a few weeks now desperate to go, but I’ve been told not to.

    Can’t say I’m actually excited about Saturday, more anxious. 90 mins for our seniors to inevitably get injured or throw on a kid to make a mistake.
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,210
    J BLOCK said:
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
    It’s because we are not premier league, every club outside of it relies on loan players, further down the leagues you go I’d guess the more loans there are.  
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Gone an hour and a half and only 55 new posts? I am disappointed.
  • up_the_valley
    up_the_valley Posts: 4,186
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Romelu Lukaku has landed at Biggin Hill Airport ahead of a transfer from Inter

    Obviously a bigger London club in that region have come in with a late bid, think Thomas has been stung into action.
    Ten minutes before Bailey's penalty!
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,802
    If we had signed him, the complaints would have been massive 
  • Marriott110
    Marriott110 Posts: 1,528
    Asked a Spurs friend who's ITK with them, he's been told Clarke is off to the championship on loan, hope he's wrong!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    J BLOCK said:
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
    No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up.  It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up.  Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune.  Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans. 
  • Belv
    Belv Posts: 836
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
    No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up.  It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up.  Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune.  Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans. 
    Loans should be used to compliment what you already have not to be relied upon to fill your squad up.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited August 2021
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    Jac_52 said:
    What's so good about this Clarke guy? Never heard of him
    He’s got a great shoe collection.
    Trouble is we will buy the wrong size. Size 9 required but we went for a 7 because they were in the sale
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  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Marriott110 said:
    Asked a Spurs friend who's ITK with them, he's been told Clarke is off to the championship on loan, hope he's wrong!
    Christ we have had his shirt printed all ready. It’s ok though we will get Leon Clarke back and hope nobody notices. 
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    DOUCHER said:
    my mate played for welling in the eighties when berry joined them just as he was finishing his career - said he was awful - i remember both of them as a kid and all i remember about them is lumping it into the channel and getting done for pace  
    For the record Doucher, Dick Tydeman captained one of the best sides we had in the eighties, under Mike Bailey. They basically cruised to promotion and I think they set either a record number of wins or games undefeated  that season. I think you may have been unfortunate to witness the season before when they got relegated, Bailey was appointed Manager then he wasn't, we had shit bags at the club in Tony Hazel and Lawrie Madden and they were that bad you and I could have got a game. If Dick Tydeman ever lumped it long then it was a game I must have missed, he was known for his passing ability.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited August 2021
    Callumcafc said:
    Days since last transfer/loan:

    Accrington - 6
    AFC Wimbledon - 7
    Bolton - 5
    Burton - 15
    Cambridge - 6
    Charlton - 22
    Cheltenham - 2
    Crewe - 12
    Doncaster - 5
    Fleetwood - 9
    Gillingham - 16
    Ipswich - 2
    Lincoln - 15
    MK Dons - 13
    Morecambe - 1
    Oxford - 10
    Plymouth - 13
    Portsmouth - 1
    Rotherham - 1
    Sheff Wed - 1
    Shrewsbury - 14
    Sunderland - 26
    Wigan - 2
    Wycombe - 7
    Sunderland - 0

    At 22 days, we are the furthest away from our most recent signing compared to every other club in this division. By six days.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    edited August 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
    No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up.  It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up.  Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune.  Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans. 
    Neither Peterborough (1 loan plus an emergency keeper) or Hull (max 3 loans) relied heavily on loans last season
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
    No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up.  It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up.  Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune.  Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans. 
    Loans are fine, but if nearly 50% of your team is made up of them, you are always going to be rebuilding your squad each summer. And we always end up with crap like Matt Smith x 2, Levitt, Smyth, Davis, McGeady, Kaikai, Zyro etc, etc. Sure we get the odd golden nugget like Gallagher and DaSilva but the loan game isn’t really the basis to build your “5 year plan on” unless that plan is to tread water. 
  • esseffect
    esseffect Posts: 493
    killerandflash said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
    No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up.  It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up.  Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune.  Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans. 
    Neither Peterborough (2 loan plus an emergency keeper) or Hull (max 3 loans) relied heavily on loans last season
    You put him right in the bin there, love that haha
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,310
    edited August 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Questions should be asked as to why we are again going to be relying heavily on loans vs buying players, if/when this inevitably happens. 
    No it shouldn't, if you don't use your 5 loans well, you won't go up.  It's a gift horse. Get it right and you will go up.  Don't and you either need to be incredibly lucky or spend a fucking fortune.  Even the mighty Ipswich, and Sir Chris used loans. 
    Of course it should. We’ve been told, having a new squad every year isn’t sustainable and we are going to rely heavily on Loan players being in our first team. Why are we continuing with the same strategy we’ve have for the past few years. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    All I know is using loans is the best way to get promoted in Football Manager…
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    To be fair there's nothing wrong with utilising the loan system to give added quality that you can't afford, but the problem is that it's very short term as each year if they're 5 good loans, you lose nearly half your side in May.

    And you're not building assets for the club, players that gain value and from which you profit in the transfer market. Arsenal massively benefited financially from Bielik
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,169
    DOUCHER said:
    the docherty, pavel abbot , daily era and crofts / foley was the worst i can remember although yes, in the early eighties when i first started going a fair amount, the likes of berry and tydeman were pretty uninspiring, as was the huge ground with not many fans in it meaning not much atmosphere - we're not far off a good team here with a good owner, good fanbase and a great stadium - TS needs to just go that extra bit now and we can take off again
    The side we sent out against Walsall in 2010 was pretty heartbreaking. Elliot, Francis, Doherty, Fortune, Fry, Jackson, Semedo, Racon, Wagstaff, Anyinsah, Benson. If we've ever put out a worse backline than that I'll be shocked. We lost 1-0.
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