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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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I dont think its overly realistic with the squad we've currently got but still think its too early to truly be thinking about any League placements - Even if we'd won all four League games I'm sure the general consensus on here would be that we need to see how things looked after 10-games / October - Wasnt that always the original benchmark when we approached a new season?ct_addick said:9 points behind the leaders....a gap too far already for auto spots? As I said previously a poor strategy to wait until the end of the window. Almost like they have written this season off....at least for auto spots
Ironically we've the exact same number of points as Sheffield United did at this stage in 2016/17, after four games they had one point and sat rooted to the bottom of the table, they'd scored just two goals and conceded seven yet ended up winning the title with 100-pts.
Same last season;
Oxford had just one win after four games and sat 18th
Blackpool had the same start as Oxford yet were 21st and had just lost 3-2 at home to Lincoln
Both teams struggled for a number of weeks after that, they didnt just suddenly turn it around by game five either.
Thats only looking at the three different scenarios on paper though, as I didnt see any of those 12-games its impossible to say whether the starts for Sheff Utd | Oxford | Blackpool was down to squad depth, or just plain bad luck
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Most would mean we sign more players in the final week than we’ve done all summer. Will not happen.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
In fairness to the club the likes of Sandgaard & Gallen stated weeks ago that they expect most of our business to happen right near the deadline.addick1956 said:
Well they haven’t in the past 3 months so I can't see them going it in 10 or 11 days.Oh Eddie Youds... said:The good news is there is still time for Sandgaard & Adkins to come out of the transfer window with credibility. Lots of good players are still available.
4 decent loan signings and 1/2 perms of a Dale, Bishop, Lowery or Sims standard would give us a side capable of competing with the best teams in the league.
We know TS & NA can talk the talk. Hopefully they will back up their words over the next 9 days and show us that they can also walk the walk.
#walkingisbrilliant
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Not ITK but I wonder if Conor Grant at Plymouth is on our target list, 10 assists for Plymouth last season.3
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Loans? What good prem team would now lend a promising youngster to our lot???0
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Someone asked Cawley about Lowery, he hasn’t denied it 👀 he’s been quick to confirm there was no truth in Mullin and a few others this summer.
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Hey Mungo Mungo Italiano1
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Good player and one we could have got if we moved for him in the summer.charlton_hero said:Not ITK but I wonder if Conor Grant at Plymouth is on our target list, 10 assists for Plymouth last season.
He’s just signed a new 2 year deal so he won’t be moving in this window.0 -
Oddly, Lee Bowyer would not be regarded as an authority on football club finances, much as the auditors don’t advise on team selection. Here are some facts for you.addick1956 said:
That is not what Bowyer said .Cafc43v3r said:
That's absolutely a load of tosh. The last season we were in league 1 it cost Roland 10 million quid, the season we were in the championship, despite the nice breads, cars and bitches, we made a profit!!!addick1956 said:
It maybe due to more games but that is not big enough to make the difference. RD preferred L1 because it cost him less in loses I recall Bowyer saying .JohnnyH2 said:
Because the TV revenue is bigger for a startaddick1956 said:
Mostly it is true though. I can't imagine what miracle it is that allows a club to pay Championship wages on a smaller fan base and loose less money than Charlton .Airman Brown said:
That’s not necessarily true. At least in the Championship you have about £7-8m more in income to play with and you are more likely to develop players that command big fees. Millwall are losing less in the Championship than Charlton are in L1, despite having a smaller season ticket base, and they are still there.addick1956 said:The problem is that even a stable Championship side loses as much or more money than a league 1 side.
Our owner seriously under estimated the cost of running a football club in this country. Besides which wages are ridiculous in football .
I wouldn’t blame TS if it decided it was too much. Standing still appears to cost 10 million a year and the cost of a ticket is way short of covering the true cost to break even.
That is why we have signed players others didn't rate and our midfield isn't anywhere near good enough to accommodate 433. Without it our wingers have no threat plus we are short on full backs to support it. We lack a threat so opposition teams just suss us out in 10 minutes.
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Teams sometime start slowly because they are trying to bed in lots of new signings (e.g. Ipswich) or getting used to a new way of playing, which I think applied to Blackpool last year, and possibly Sheffield United under Wilder.ForeverAddickted said:
I dont think its overly realistic with the squad we've currently got but still think its too early to truly be thinking about any League placements - Even if we'd won all four League games I'm sure the general consensus on here would be that we need to see how things looked after 10-games / October - Wasnt that always the original benchmark when we approached a new season?ct_addick said:9 points behind the leaders....a gap too far already for auto spots? As I said previously a poor strategy to wait until the end of the window. Almost like they have written this season off....at least for auto spots
Ironically we've the exact same number of points as Sheffield United did at this stage in 2016/17, after four games they had one point and sat rooted to the bottom of the table, they'd scored just two goals and conceded seven yet ended up winning the title with 100-pts.
Same last season;
Oxford had just one win after four games and sat 18th
Blackpool had the same start as Oxford yet were 21st and had just lost 3-2 at home to Lincoln
Both teams struggled for a number of weeks after that, they didnt just suddenly turn it around by game five either.
Thats only looking at the three different scenarios on paper though, as I didnt see any of those 12-games its impossible to say whether the starts for Sheff Utd | Oxford | Blackpool was down to squad depth, or just plain bad luck
I'm not sure either of those scenarios apply to us, the reason for our slow start is that we're not very good...10 -
Oxford were 10 points late Nov last season where did they finish ? Sheff Utd had a poor start yet finished with 100 points .. and of course Palace went on a run from Jan got in the play offs after being bottom half …. It’s only 4 games not 44 gamesct_addick said:9 points behind the leaders....a gap too far already for auto spots? As I said previously a poor strategy to wait until the end of the window. Almost like they have written this season off....at least for auto spots0 -
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Hearing this morning that Ronaldo wants out, could give Kirk a run for his money!0
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Adkins quotes in the SLP sound just like Bowyer in December 19.0
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Danny Andrew, the left wing back at Fleetwood would be ideal as one of the experienced players NA says he wants to bring in.
Great going forward (would suit NAs system) & and can take / score free kicks...a quality no-one else in the current squad possesses.1 -
To be fair, we would probably only be one point worse off if they did. But hopefully we will start gaining points that makes the option less attractiveaddick1956 said:
Our budget was so crap it was impossible not to lose more it seems. However you can surely clarify without sarcastic comments. You can stick those up your backside because it wasn't necessary.Airman Brown said:
Oddly, Lee Bowyer would not be regarded as an authority on football club finances, much as the auditors don’t advise on team selection. Here are some facts for you.addick1956 said:
That is not what Bowyer said .Cafc43v3r said:
That's absolutely a load of tosh. The last season we were in league 1 it cost Roland 10 million quid, the season we were in the championship, despite the nice breads, cars and bitches, we made a profit!!!addick1956 said:
It maybe due to more games but that is not big enough to make the difference. RD preferred L1 because it cost him less in loses I recall Bowyer saying .JohnnyH2 said:
Because the TV revenue is bigger for a startaddick1956 said:
Mostly it is true though. I can't imagine what miracle it is that allows a club to pay Championship wages on a smaller fan base and loose less money than Charlton .Airman Brown said:
That’s not necessarily true. At least in the Championship you have about £7-8m more in income to play with and you are more likely to develop players that command big fees. Millwall are losing less in the Championship than Charlton are in L1, despite having a smaller season ticket base, and they are still there.addick1956 said:The problem is that even a stable Championship side loses as much or more money than a league 1 side.
Our owner seriously under estimated the cost of running a football club in this country. Besides which wages are ridiculous in football .
I wouldn’t blame TS if it decided it was too much. Standing still appears to cost 10 million a year and the cost of a ticket is way short of covering the true cost to break even.
That is why we have signed players others didn't rate and our midfield isn't anywhere near good enough to accommodate 433. Without it our wingers have no threat plus we are short on full backs to support it. We lack a threat so opposition teams just suss us out in 10 minutes.
Then as now it might be better if the auditors did select the team.
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Textbook 2020s response to getting hit with facts and statistics.addick1956 said:
Our budget was so crap it was impossible not to lose more it seems. However you can surely clarify without sarcastic comments. You can stick those up your backside because it wasn't necessary.Airman Brown said:
Oddly, Lee Bowyer would not be regarded as an authority on football club finances, much as the auditors don’t advise on team selection. Here are some facts for you.addick1956 said:
That is not what Bowyer said .Cafc43v3r said:
That's absolutely a load of tosh. The last season we were in league 1 it cost Roland 10 million quid, the season we were in the championship, despite the nice breads, cars and bitches, we made a profit!!!addick1956 said:
It maybe due to more games but that is not big enough to make the difference. RD preferred L1 because it cost him less in loses I recall Bowyer saying .JohnnyH2 said:
Because the TV revenue is bigger for a startaddick1956 said:
Mostly it is true though. I can't imagine what miracle it is that allows a club to pay Championship wages on a smaller fan base and loose less money than Charlton .Airman Brown said:
That’s not necessarily true. At least in the Championship you have about £7-8m more in income to play with and you are more likely to develop players that command big fees. Millwall are losing less in the Championship than Charlton are in L1, despite having a smaller season ticket base, and they are still there.addick1956 said:The problem is that even a stable Championship side loses as much or more money than a league 1 side.
Our owner seriously under estimated the cost of running a football club in this country. Besides which wages are ridiculous in football .
I wouldn’t blame TS if it decided it was too much. Standing still appears to cost 10 million a year and the cost of a ticket is way short of covering the true cost to break even.
That is why we have signed players others didn't rate and our midfield isn't anywhere near good enough to accommodate 433. Without it our wingers have no threat plus we are short on full backs to support it. We lack a threat so opposition teams just suss us out in 10 minutes.
Then as now it might be better if the auditors did select the team.7 -
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None of that gives me a particularly warm, fuzzy feeling inside.Scoham said:8 -
First warning shot?Scoham said:5 -
Wigan also have a very experienced CEO, a local lad (Plumstead) who was interested in working for us, but who didn’t get a response from Thomas.ct_addick said:What gets me is that Wigan were down and out and an owner comes in willing to splash some cash to gamble on success. Thought that might be us but no we have someone who thinks they are clever enough to do it on a small budget which ain't working. They have a week to fix it which is very concerning.
Edit…he’s also worked successfully with Adkins before.4 -
Just for added context, those comments were from NA's post-match conference. The SLP break up the quotes to provide content for the week.2
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If you don’t like getting called out on your utter drivel, stop posting it. You come across as the biggest cry baby on the entire internet.addick1956 said:
Our budget was so crap it was impossible not to lose more it seems. However you can surely clarify without sarcastic comments. You can stick those up your backside because it wasn't necessary.Airman Brown said:
Oddly, Lee Bowyer would not be regarded as an authority on football club finances, much as the auditors don’t advise on team selection. Here are some facts for you.addick1956 said:
That is not what Bowyer said .Cafc43v3r said:
That's absolutely a load of tosh. The last season we were in league 1 it cost Roland 10 million quid, the season we were in the championship, despite the nice breads, cars and bitches, we made a profit!!!addick1956 said:
It maybe due to more games but that is not big enough to make the difference. RD preferred L1 because it cost him less in loses I recall Bowyer saying .JohnnyH2 said:
Because the TV revenue is bigger for a startaddick1956 said:
Mostly it is true though. I can't imagine what miracle it is that allows a club to pay Championship wages on a smaller fan base and loose less money than Charlton .Airman Brown said:
That’s not necessarily true. At least in the Championship you have about £7-8m more in income to play with and you are more likely to develop players that command big fees. Millwall are losing less in the Championship than Charlton are in L1, despite having a smaller season ticket base, and they are still there.addick1956 said:The problem is that even a stable Championship side loses as much or more money than a league 1 side.
Our owner seriously under estimated the cost of running a football club in this country. Besides which wages are ridiculous in football .
I wouldn’t blame TS if it decided it was too much. Standing still appears to cost 10 million a year and the cost of a ticket is way short of covering the true cost to break even.
That is why we have signed players others didn't rate and our midfield isn't anywhere near good enough to accommodate 433. Without it our wingers have no threat plus we are short on full backs to support it. We lack a threat so opposition teams just suss us out in 10 minutes.
Then as now it might be better if the auditors did select the team.8 -
Yeah. Listened to him yesterday. I kind of got the impression that he thinks the transfer boat has long gone and we won't get the opportunity to sign the quality we need.AllHailTheHen said:
None of that gives me a particularly warm, fuzzy feeling inside.Scoham said:1 -
addick1956 said:
Our budget was so crap it was impossible not to lose more it seems. However you can surely clarify without sarcastic comments. You can stick those up your backside because it wasn't necessary.Airman Brown said:
Oddly, Lee Bowyer would not be regarded as an authority on football club finances, much as the auditors don’t advise on team selection. Here are some facts for you.addick1956 said:
That is not what Bowyer said .Cafc43v3r said:
That's absolutely a load of tosh. The last season we were in league 1 it cost Roland 10 million quid, the season we were in the championship, despite the nice breads, cars and bitches, we made a profit!!!addick1956 said:
It maybe due to more games but that is not big enough to make the difference. RD preferred L1 because it cost him less in loses I recall Bowyer saying .JohnnyH2 said:
Because the TV revenue is bigger for a startaddick1956 said:
Mostly it is true though. I can't imagine what miracle it is that allows a club to pay Championship wages on a smaller fan base and loose less money than Charlton .Airman Brown said:
That’s not necessarily true. At least in the Championship you have about £7-8m more in income to play with and you are more likely to develop players that command big fees. Millwall are losing less in the Championship than Charlton are in L1, despite having a smaller season ticket base, and they are still there.addick1956 said:The problem is that even a stable Championship side loses as much or more money than a league 1 side.
Our owner seriously under estimated the cost of running a football club in this country. Besides which wages are ridiculous in football .
I wouldn’t blame TS if it decided it was too much. Standing still appears to cost 10 million a year and the cost of a ticket is way short of covering the true cost to break even.
That is why we have signed players others didn't rate and our midfield isn't anywhere near good enough to accommodate 433. Without it our wingers have no threat plus we are short on full backs to support it. We lack a threat so opposition teams just suss us out in 10 minutes.
Then as now it might be better if the auditors did select the team.
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Very blah.....Scoham said:0 -
No it doesn’t. It sounds like we are working to a budget, same comments have been made by the club all summer.addick1956 said:
Sounds like the budget has been skinned. If this lot owned a rowing boat and needed to cross a river but the boat had a leak, they wouldn't get a new boat ot a shipwright. They would get a bucket to bail out or a bung. And sink half way.Scoham said:
Not holding ones breath.4 -
My contact who has been very unreliable at times but has also provided the odd nugget has just mentioned a name to me that has not been mentioned before as far as I can remember so thought I’d share. James Olavinka I think is what he said , I’ve just googled him and can’t see much information but assume he’s youngster at Arsenal, please take this with a large pinch of salt.11
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Very quiet on the rumours front.1
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I think most of us did not believe our buget was Poundland4
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What happens when you haven't got a realistic budget to work on. Hopefully some league 2 clubs release some players this week we can pick up.JoshAddick said:Very quiet on the rumours front.5 -
I think this is what annoys me most to be honest , we absolutely slaughtered KM for the lies but when you think about the time line of events with TS. In one breath he’s talking about a five year plan and competing in Europe , next minute we are on tight budget buying league 2 rejects on four month contracts.ecclesaddick said:I think most of us did not believe our buget was Poundland
I wanted TS to be the real deal more than anyone but I can see why a lot of fans are disappointed to say the very least and some feel very short changed having already bought season tickets.10
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