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never ending.....7
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The statements TS made are a convenient stick to beat him with, and are the result of the window being the complete opposite of what was expected and results and performances being so dire..
Start winning games and we might get to a point where we all have a wry smile at the statements and put them down to post takeover hubris.
Sadly at the moment things look bleak and patience is wearing thin.
I think Tommy may also be paying the price of years of neglect by his predecessors, as lot of us , wrongly perhaps, expected overnight change and an end to struggle.
This is where the statements were perhaps I'll judged2 -
to be fair they have been saying that for weeks, months now. I thought we were terrible on Saturday. Kirk will be a good signing, the jury is definitely out on Dobson. We lack quality. Five/six new signings need to be first teamers not back up to the current lot.superdulvertonred said:I am not saying everything is perfect it is obvious it is not but I cannot believe some of the comments on here
We were not good on Saturday but we weren’t terrible either thought Wigan looked a better side than Sheff Weds
Of the new signings Kirk showed flashes of ability and think he will be a good signing and Dobson played well in spells let them settle in before we write them off
As for Thomas I am convinced he is a good owner he has spent a considerable amount of money including transfer fees and seems engaged in the club which is great. I hope he is not too disappointed by all the negativity on this forum
There will be more signings everyone at the club is saying that .Let’s give them time and see how things are going at Christmas not go into meltdown in August
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Btw, like Adkins, TS is by no way above criticism. There is just a better way of going about it than abusing the man on social media and telling him to go.23
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I totally get the disappointment in the lack of signings, I don't think anyone on here was impressed with the signings of Clare and Dobson and we probably thought that they would be good squad players and Dobson even be one for the future. But there have been plus points too, the resigning of Famewo, the permanent signings of Stockley and Kirk, there was also a thread about how we have signed a relegation goalkeeper, that seems to have disappeared since Saturday.
Did Charlton get caught sleeping with the long term injuries ? probably ! Forster Caskey won't be seen till Christmas, Gilbey, if he resumes training this month is at least another month away from full fitness, the left back position should have been filled as we have no natural left footer there. We also have not filled the striking position, Ronnie Schwartz being only a goal in front of Polish Pete as a successful signing.
Do I think they will plug those gaps, yes ! if they don't, Saandgard will find that for a lack of short term investment, he will continue to lose money at an alarming rate, he needs this club out of this division as much as we do.2 -
So they have but it's getting harder and harder to keep up with which statements coming out of the club we're supposed to believesuperdulvertonred said:I am not saying everything is perfect it is obvious it is not but I cannot believe some of the comments on here
We were not good on Saturday but we weren’t terrible either thought Wigan looked a better side than Sheff Weds
Of the new signings Kirk showed flashes of ability and think he will be a good signing and Dobson played well in spells let them settle in before we write them off
As for Thomas I am convinced he is a good owner he has spent a considerable amount of money including transfer fees and seems engaged in the club which is great. I hope he is not too disappointed by all the negativity on this forum
There will be more signings everyone at the club is saying that .Let’s give them time and see how things are going at Christmas not go into meltdown in August
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Weird how the chat about players arriving on the last day, must be taken as gospel.... but everything else requires a large pinch of salt.6
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Wow, real Sandgaard out thing going on over there. Not sure how much support it has. Could just be a few loud voices.0
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The general mood is much worse than August 2015, although we were unbeaten in the first 4. It can't be as bad as that.....
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No idea if happening this time, and haven’t checked Twitter, but found a lot of the time it’s a small circle of people, but they post so often that it feels like a lot of people have that opinion. I find that on here all the time, and when I read back realise it’s 2 or 3 people posting a dozen times per page on same subject.JamesSeed said:Wow, real Sandgaard out thing going on over there. Not sure how much support it has. Could just be a few loud voices.20 -
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Genuinely had to google what that meant.soapboxsam said:Covered_End_Lad said:The amount of posts/tweets I have seen saying Sandgaard/Adkins out is just ridiculous.
A man with no former association to Charlton has saved us from extinction and gone on to spend the most on transfer fees in the division and still it isn't enough because we aren't shelling out over 10K per week for a league one player.
We really do risk coming across as an entitled dummy spitting group if we start trying to push TS out after a bad start to the season (4 games into the league season btw).
We had huge support from the footballing world when protesting against awful owners, however we risk looking like united/arsenal fans when screaming we want people out just because we have lost a few games.
Agree with many of your points CEL.
The only Cafc related social media platform I'm on is Charlton Life. TBH that is enough !
I haven't seen anyone say Thomas Sandgaard out but I was not alone, in believing that his hyperbole in his statement, "we will blow League 1 out of the water" would not only put pressure on Nigel Adkins but Gallen, Roddy and anyone else involved in the process of getting players in to a League 1 club.
If Charlton were interested in Jordan Cousins ( I'm led to believe they were) JC's agent would discuss his wage demand and signing on fees with Wigan and Cafc. This wasn't an auction. Wigan were so far ahead of Charlton budget that only Ipswich in League 1 could have competed for a player who had enjoyed championship wages for a number of years. A player who can play central midfield, holding midfielder and CB and in League 1 look class while doing it.
JC was never top class but in League 1 it will be a stroll in the park.
Nigel Adkins out is an occupational hazard and as Cafc are 21st in League 1, and with 40 year old virgins more likely to score I'm not surprised, even though personally I would prefer to see him prove he's a good coach and set the team up to at least have 6 or so shots on target in League 1. Make a decision after 12 games if the current inaction continues. Charlton have been a joke for too long, even Palace and Millwall fans i know are feeling sorry for me !
Having no shots or 1 shots on target in League 1 at home is shocking and it will bring opprobrium upon the decent guy that is Nigel. The buck always stops with the manager or head coach.
Didn't Airman say the home end was 40% down for the Wigan game compared to Sheff Wed Sky game. Losing fans/critics/supporters/ at that rate will see less people in the stadium than we have sold Season tickets ! Just like Gym membership people will pick and chose and hardly turn up.0 -
No, it shouldn't be taken as gospel on either count.shine166 said:Weird how the chat about players arriving on the last day, must be taken as gospel.... but everything else requires a large pinch of salt.
WIOTOS actually means " I'll believe it when it's on the official site" IE when it's actually happened then believe it, not before. Until it's actually happened, it ain't happened.
Because of that I never thought anything TS or NA said was a "promise" so am not whinging on about being lied to.
As I said many months ago it's better IMHO to under promise and over deliver but that's not Sandgaard's style. At least it wasn't. His recent statements have been a lot more reserved and qualified. Either because he's realised everything he now says will be taken as a "promise" or because he's realised it's not as easy as he hoped/expected.
Or more likely a bit of both.6 -
It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.2
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The the thing is people saying he said it once through over exuberance are wrong the Prem & European football guff was said wherever he could find to say it… Sky Sports, TalkSPORT, The Athletic just some of them and he said at least twice we’ll blow through the league.
I don’t particularly like his cringe American, look at me ways but he’s a good man, who’s done some great things so far but who now needs to either get better at his job or get somebody in as CEO who can.
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t make the hyperbolic statements to the stock exchange as it has a material impact … and he’s now finding out it’s the same but different with football fans when you talk a load of crap.
….and this disaster of a summer will now cost him another £10m next year, let’s hope TS is a quick learner
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The fans were sold a flight but are now on the Larkfield coach instead.ShootersHillGuru said:It basically looks like the club and team are this season treading water. Perhaps with a new owner needing to sort out ten years of mis management and put into place the building blocks of success going forward we shouldn’t be either too surprised or disappointed. I just wish that realism had been transmitted to the fans. I think to a man (and woman) this would have been embraced and supported. Instead we’re seeing to consequences of the nonsense. Massive own goal. I’m convinced we’ll be ok but it’s the long haul not the express route we were sold.5 -
To be fair I can see you meant no harm but honestly read the room a bit better.Swisdom said:
As a word of warning @Cover@Covered_End_Lad I used the term "entitlement" yesterday on Twitter in reference to a section of fans and have been mauled for it. It seems this term is gripping people's shit!Covered_End_Lad said:The amount of posts/tweets I have seen saying Sandgaard/Adkins out is just ridiculous.
A man with no former association to Charlton has saved us from extinction and gone on to spend the most on transfer fees in the division and still it isn't enough because we aren't shelling out over 10K per week for a league one player.
We really do risk coming across as an entitled dummy spitting group if we start trying to push TS out after a bad start to the season (4 games into the league season btw).
We had huge support from the footballing world when protesting against awful owners, however we risk looking like united/arsenal fans when screaming we want people out just because we have lost a few games.
Apparently I am trying to force people to act in a certain way when referencing "entitlement" and, as a sponsor, should know better.
In reality I think we all agree it hasn't been pretty thus far and hasn't been good enough - but I also believe, rightly or wrongly, it will get better.
as I've said many times "It's never been easy being a Charlton fan - but we all still do it don't we
To put a comment out telling clearly frustrated & angry fans to calm down and stop being entitled was a dumb thing to do… especially given your a club sponsor and would been seen to be having ‘your feet under the table’ or defending your mates.
entitled is an emotional word so I’m afraid I’m not surprised you took a battering. It didn’t read well.We live and we learn 👍🏼1 -
We know what he said and we know where we are do we have to rehash the story every other day?4
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No offence, but its not whinging when your owner says we will piss the league and then apparently is offering players 3k a week.Henry Irving said:
No, it shouldn't be taken as gospel on either count.shine166 said:Weird how the chat about players arriving on the last day, must be taken as gospel.... but everything else requires a large pinch of salt.
WIOTOS actually means " I'll believe it when it's on the official site" IE when it's actually happened then believe it, not before. Until it's actually happened, it ain't happened.
Because of that I never thought anything TS or NA said was a "promise" so am not whinging on about being lied to.
As I said many months ago it's better IMHO to under promise and over deliver but that's not Sandgaard's style. At least it wasn't. His recent statements have been a lot more reserved and qualified. Either because he's realised everything he now says will be taken as a "promise" or because he's realised it's not as easy as he hoped/expected.
Or more likely a bit of both.
We've not even assembled a competitive squad yet and they are planning next seasons £2400 a year VIP scheme.
That said, I certainly wont be sending him shitty msgs or wanting him out. Long term, its probably best that this has happened.. as like you say expectations may be managed or reeled in slightly in the future.6 -
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To be fair I can see you meant no harm but honestly read the room a bit better.Swisdom said:
As a word of warning @Cover@Covered_End_Lad I used the term "entitlement" yesterday on Twitter in reference to a section of fans and have been mauled for it. It seems this term is gripping people's shit!Covered_End_Lad said:The amount of posts/tweets I have seen saying Sandgaard/Adkins out is just ridiculous.
A man with no former association to Charlton has saved us from extinction and gone on to spend the most on transfer fees in the division and still it isn't enough because we aren't shelling out over 10K per week for a league one player.
We really do risk coming across as an entitled dummy spitting group if we start trying to push TS out after a bad start to the season (4 games into the league season btw).
We had huge support from the footballing world when protesting against awful owners, however we risk looking like united/arsenal fans when screaming we want people out just because we have lost a few games.
Apparently I am trying to force people to act in a certain way when referencing "entitlement" and, as a sponsor, should know better.
In reality I think we all agree it hasn't been pretty thus far and hasn't been good enough - but I also believe, rightly or wrongly, it will get better.
as I've said many times "It's never been easy being a Charlton fan - but we all still do it don't we
To put a comment out telling clearly frustrated & angry fans to calm down and stop being entitled was a dumb thing to do… especially given your a club sponsor and would been seen to be having ‘your feet under the table’ or defending your mates.
entitled is an emotional word so I’m afraid I’m not surprised you took a battering. It didn’t read well.We live and we learn 👍🏼
I think he was spot on. Some of our fans are acting like entitled pricks.17 -
Sometimes the room needs telling, and I’ve got no problem with someone like Swisdom doing itMaccn05 said:
To be fair I can see you meant no harm but honestly read the room a bit better.Swisdom said:
As a word of warning @Cover@Covered_End_Lad I used the term "entitlement" yesterday on Twitter in reference to a section of fans and have been mauled for it. It seems this term is gripping people's shit!Covered_End_Lad said:The amount of posts/tweets I have seen saying Sandgaard/Adkins out is just ridiculous.
A man with no former association to Charlton has saved us from extinction and gone on to spend the most on transfer fees in the division and still it isn't enough because we aren't shelling out over 10K per week for a league one player.
We really do risk coming across as an entitled dummy spitting group if we start trying to push TS out after a bad start to the season (4 games into the league season btw).
We had huge support from the footballing world when protesting against awful owners, however we risk looking like united/arsenal fans when screaming we want people out just because we have lost a few games.
Apparently I am trying to force people to act in a certain way when referencing "entitlement" and, as a sponsor, should know better.
In reality I think we all agree it hasn't been pretty thus far and hasn't been good enough - but I also believe, rightly or wrongly, it will get better.
as I've said many times "It's never been easy being a Charlton fan - but we all still do it don't we
To put a comment out telling clearly frustrated & angry fans to calm down and stop being entitled was a dumb thing to do… especially given your a club sponsor and would been seen to be having ‘your feet under the table’ or defending your mates.
entitled is an emotional word so I’m afraid I’m not surprised you took a battering. It didn’t read well.We live and we learn 👍🏼10 -
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There are some real idiots out there. What's is the likelihood of selling £10 million worth of operating losses? There really some "fans" who aren't fit to support the club.stoneroses19 said:
No idea if happening this time, and haven’t checked Twitter, but found a lot of the time it’s a small circle of people, but they post so often that it feels like a lot of people have that opinion. I find that on here all the time, and when I read back realise it’s 2 or 3 people posting a dozen times per page on same subject.JamesSeed said:Wow, real Sandgaard out thing going on over there. Not sure how much support it has. Could just be a few loud voices.2 -
OMG, just went to that other forum for the first time in years to see what they were saying. There are a few sane souls losing their will to live on there, but otherwise, it’s bonkers. Talk of protests etc FFS
I suggest some out there do some simple Google researching re TS’ net worth and take a sanity check. Even if it is double what is publicised, which I doubt, what gives any of us the right to demand that he throws more of his personal wealth (not somebody’s pension scheme etc) into a project he has engaged in? He has publicly said that we will be spending a bit more than last year. Unless the signings thus far have exhausted the vast majority of last year’s budget (transfers/wages/fees), then I would hope to see a final flourish before the window closes or a bit more now, with some held back for January to help bolster where any major holes appear.
I am sure he is as frustrated that we have not got more quality business done by now or points on the board, but for all we know could be being strongly advised by the UK football experienced Gallen and Roddy to wait to very close to the end of the window to pick up some ‘gems’ on more advantageous terms to the club. If that speculation has any merit, it may prove a poor decision/strategy, time will tell, but threats of protesting/hounding out is just crazy. A section of our fan base appear so used to having to fight the wrongs of the past, that they are unable to rationalise what good may yet come from a proper well meaning businessman and football fan, even if a bit overly enthusiastic at times.
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Have you not been following this thread, every day is a rehash of the previous day. On a quit rehash day it’s sometimes goes back 7 days and starts whole thing again…CAFCBourne said:We know what he said and we know where we are do we have to rehash the story every other day?
On one day there was a transfer rumour, but it was quickly worked out to false so we went back to retelling old posts 👍🏼0 -
I don't disagree with any of this and I think the vast majority would also be on this path as well. We have all said his statements were over the top but the vast majority of us would have bought season tickets without him saying them. However, they have been said, it was silly for him to do so and the fact they have not been repeated would suggest he has learnt a lesson. Just not sure what is gained from bringing them up at every opportunity considering we all accept he was over the top, unless the person is silly enough to believe it verbatim.Charlton_Road_James said:
Yes I agree with you it is stupidity to believe them down to the word. But when you’re using them to push season ticket sales, that’s another thing in my opinion. We’re four games into the season, with less shots on target than games. The manager is quoted as saying he wants his first team in for pre-season, we’re now just a week away from the transfer window shuts & by most peoples estimates we’re a good 5-6 players short. Isn’t it also stupidity just to blindly follow what we’re told & not question? Things are definitely not rosey & I want to know why?People are silly though because they actually believed TS statements (also silly) about blowing the league away and the 5 year plan. Most of us have been watching football long enough to know that is extremely difficult to achieve and virtually impossible from a team in L1. Even if money was thrown around like confetti there is no guarantee of success. Of course we all expected a better transfer window and I still expect us to bring players in but to hang our hats on a statement from an owner in his first year in football is not just silly it is gross stupidity. .1 -
Entitled pricks is a load of bollocks. We should not be a 3rd division club. The club can't afford to be in division 3. Our support and following is too big for division 3. We are now in trouble of falling to division 4 with the squad we have that's the truth.Jac_52 said:Maccn05 said:
To be fair I can see you meant no harm but honestly read the room a bit better.Swisdom said:
As a word of warning @Cover@Covered_End_Lad I used the term "entitlement" yesterday on Twitter in reference to a section of fans and have been mauled for it. It seems this term is gripping people's shit!Covered_End_Lad said:The amount of posts/tweets I have seen saying Sandgaard/Adkins out is just ridiculous.
A man with no former association to Charlton has saved us from extinction and gone on to spend the most on transfer fees in the division and still it isn't enough because we aren't shelling out over 10K per week for a league one player.
We really do risk coming across as an entitled dummy spitting group if we start trying to push TS out after a bad start to the season (4 games into the league season btw).
We had huge support from the footballing world when protesting against awful owners, however we risk looking like united/arsenal fans when screaming we want people out just because we have lost a few games.
Apparently I am trying to force people to act in a certain way when referencing "entitlement" and, as a sponsor, should know better.
In reality I think we all agree it hasn't been pretty thus far and hasn't been good enough - but I also believe, rightly or wrongly, it will get better.
as I've said many times "It's never been easy being a Charlton fan - but we all still do it don't we
To put a comment out telling clearly frustrated & angry fans to calm down and stop being entitled was a dumb thing to do… especially given your a club sponsor and would been seen to be having ‘your feet under the table’ or defending your mates.
entitled is an emotional word so I’m afraid I’m not surprised you took a battering. It didn’t read well.We live and we learn 👍🏼
I think he was spot on. Some of our fans are acting like entitled pricks.
What makes no sense is Sangaard will lose 10m+? Per year by not attempting to get out of the division. None of this recruitment strategy makes any sense to me. Why did we not go in for Parott on loan among others that would have been cheap.5 -
Anyone got any rumours..or failing that maybe some puns..
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All out i'm afraid.
Just waiting the clang as the door shuts on empty promises.2 -
With respect, do you have any rumours or constructive thoughts to add?Redhenry said:never ending.....Yes, this is a rumours thread. When a rumour presents itself, it will be posted in this thread to discuss. There are currently no rumours and until there are, people will discuss other topics that have a soft link to transfer dealings.Continuously moaning about “waffle” is less related to rumours than the so called waffle you’re moaning about.3 -
Where did this come from btw? I've seen it bandied around but no idea where this figure is supposed to have come from beyond someone who heard it from someone.shine166 said:
No offence, but its not whinging when your owner says we will piss the league and then apparently is offering players 3k a week.Henry Irving said:
No, it shouldn't be taken as gospel on either count.shine166 said:Weird how the chat about players arriving on the last day, must be taken as gospel.... but everything else requires a large pinch of salt.
WIOTOS actually means " I'll believe it when it's on the official site" IE when it's actually happened then believe it, not before. Until it's actually happened, it ain't happened.
Because of that I never thought anything TS or NA said was a "promise" so am not whinging on about being lied to.
As I said many months ago it's better IMHO to under promise and over deliver but that's not Sandgaard's style. At least it wasn't. His recent statements have been a lot more reserved and qualified. Either because he's realised everything he now says will be taken as a "promise" or because he's realised it's not as easy as he hoped/expected.
Or more likely a bit of both.
We've not even assembled a competitive squad yet and they are planning next seasons £2400 a year VIP scheme.
That said, I certainly wont be sending him shitty msgs or wanting him out. Long term, its probably best that this has happened.. as like you say expectations may be managed or reeled in slightly in the future.0 -
The quality of player coming in is more frustrating than any lack of spending.7
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