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There was no Wednesday night War. Its a thing in the heads of AEW fans. If there was a proper "war" the Rock, Cena etc etc would have turned up. NXT is being revamped because someone, Nick Khan, doesn't like wrestling.cafctom said:
I don’t think those stars leaving will hurt their bottom line. The biggest star of WWE is ‘WWE’ itself.Cafc43v3r said:
Why?cafctom said:But if Vince is a control freak, then surely he must be enraged by the fact that he has big names rejecting him at all costs to stay with the company (Dean Ambrose and Daniel Bryan)?
He’s now starting to lose control over his own talent whose heads are being turned very quickly to what AEW are doing.
There are now rumours circulating around Kevin Owens too, who is up for renewal in January and has put out a tease of his own…
How many people stopped watching RAW, or cancelled their network subscription, or didn't buy a live event because Bryan left?
How many people do any of the above because Kevin Owens is on the card?
The 50/50 booking over the last few years is very deliberate.
I think Bryan is probably the best in ring worker of the last 15 years. I think CM PUNK is probably the best "total package" (sorry lex) in that time as well.
They will make me watch AEW, they didn't/wouldn't make me watch WWE.
If AEW sign Owens, Rotunda, Stroman, Rollings or anyone else will it hurt WWEs bottom line?
The point I’m making is that Vince must be emotionally affected by what AEW are doing (or at least he will be soon), if he is indeed the control freak he is widely perceived to be.
Otherwise, what was the need to shake up the NXT format? The widely suggested theory is that he would have felt pissed off by losing the Wednesday battle to AEW, and is therefore just resetting the whole thing altogether.0 -
Was the move to USA Network not a reaction to AEW announcing a Wednesday night show?Cafc43v3r said:
There was no Wednesday night War. Its a thing in the heads of AEW fans. If there was a proper "war" the Rock, Cena etc etc would have turned up. NXT is being revamped because someone, Nick Khan, doesn't like wrestling.cafctom said:
I don’t think those stars leaving will hurt their bottom line. The biggest star of WWE is ‘WWE’ itself.Cafc43v3r said:
Why?cafctom said:But if Vince is a control freak, then surely he must be enraged by the fact that he has big names rejecting him at all costs to stay with the company (Dean Ambrose and Daniel Bryan)?
He’s now starting to lose control over his own talent whose heads are being turned very quickly to what AEW are doing.
There are now rumours circulating around Kevin Owens too, who is up for renewal in January and has put out a tease of his own…
How many people stopped watching RAW, or cancelled their network subscription, or didn't buy a live event because Bryan left?
How many people do any of the above because Kevin Owens is on the card?
The 50/50 booking over the last few years is very deliberate.
I think Bryan is probably the best in ring worker of the last 15 years. I think CM PUNK is probably the best "total package" (sorry lex) in that time as well.
They will make me watch AEW, they didn't/wouldn't make me watch WWE.
If AEW sign Owens, Rotunda, Stroman, Rollings or anyone else will it hurt WWEs bottom line?
The point I’m making is that Vince must be emotionally affected by what AEW are doing (or at least he will be soon), if he is indeed the control freak he is widely perceived to be.
Otherwise, what was the need to shake up the NXT format? The widely suggested theory is that he would have felt pissed off by losing the Wednesday battle to AEW, and is therefore just resetting the whole thing altogether.0 -
Or did USA Network just stump up a load more cash for more WWE content?cafctom said:
Was the move to USA Network not a reaction to AEW announcing a Wednesday night show?Cafc43v3r said:
There was no Wednesday night War. Its a thing in the heads of AEW fans. If there was a proper "war" the Rock, Cena etc etc would have turned up. NXT is being revamped because someone, Nick Khan, doesn't like wrestling.cafctom said:
I don’t think those stars leaving will hurt their bottom line. The biggest star of WWE is ‘WWE’ itself.Cafc43v3r said:
Why?cafctom said:But if Vince is a control freak, then surely he must be enraged by the fact that he has big names rejecting him at all costs to stay with the company (Dean Ambrose and Daniel Bryan)?
He’s now starting to lose control over his own talent whose heads are being turned very quickly to what AEW are doing.
There are now rumours circulating around Kevin Owens too, who is up for renewal in January and has put out a tease of his own…
How many people stopped watching RAW, or cancelled their network subscription, or didn't buy a live event because Bryan left?
How many people do any of the above because Kevin Owens is on the card?
The 50/50 booking over the last few years is very deliberate.
I think Bryan is probably the best in ring worker of the last 15 years. I think CM PUNK is probably the best "total package" (sorry lex) in that time as well.
They will make me watch AEW, they didn't/wouldn't make me watch WWE.
If AEW sign Owens, Rotunda, Stroman, Rollings or anyone else will it hurt WWEs bottom line?
The point I’m making is that Vince must be emotionally affected by what AEW are doing (or at least he will be soon), if he is indeed the control freak he is widely perceived to be.
Otherwise, what was the need to shake up the NXT format? The widely suggested theory is that he would have felt pissed off by losing the Wednesday battle to AEW, and is therefore just resetting the whole thing altogether.
A reaction by whom, I doubt Vince paid for the TV slot.
USA might have wanted to counter program TNT but that's a completely different kettle of fish.0 -
Maybe this explains why it's gone to shit0 -
Not sure about the lack of WWE creative. Heel Reigns has been class, hurt business was great. Alexa Bliss is creative, although utter shite IMO. It's been a lot worse, especially when Cena was having his run.
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The timing was pretty telling though wasn’t it? After all, NXT had been a hot brand for about 3-4 years up until that point and could have gone to TV at any time.Cafc43v3r said:
Or did USA Network just stump up a load more cash for more WWE content?cafctom said:
Was the move to USA Network not a reaction to AEW announcing a Wednesday night show?Cafc43v3r said:
There was no Wednesday night War. Its a thing in the heads of AEW fans. If there was a proper "war" the Rock, Cena etc etc would have turned up. NXT is being revamped because someone, Nick Khan, doesn't like wrestling.cafctom said:
I don’t think those stars leaving will hurt their bottom line. The biggest star of WWE is ‘WWE’ itself.Cafc43v3r said:
Why?cafctom said:But if Vince is a control freak, then surely he must be enraged by the fact that he has big names rejecting him at all costs to stay with the company (Dean Ambrose and Daniel Bryan)?
He’s now starting to lose control over his own talent whose heads are being turned very quickly to what AEW are doing.
There are now rumours circulating around Kevin Owens too, who is up for renewal in January and has put out a tease of his own…
How many people stopped watching RAW, or cancelled their network subscription, or didn't buy a live event because Bryan left?
How many people do any of the above because Kevin Owens is on the card?
The 50/50 booking over the last few years is very deliberate.
I think Bryan is probably the best in ring worker of the last 15 years. I think CM PUNK is probably the best "total package" (sorry lex) in that time as well.
They will make me watch AEW, they didn't/wouldn't make me watch WWE.
If AEW sign Owens, Rotunda, Stroman, Rollings or anyone else will it hurt WWEs bottom line?
The point I’m making is that Vince must be emotionally affected by what AEW are doing (or at least he will be soon), if he is indeed the control freak he is widely perceived to be.
Otherwise, what was the need to shake up the NXT format? The widely suggested theory is that he would have felt pissed off by losing the Wednesday battle to AEW, and is therefore just resetting the whole thing altogether.
A reaction by whom, I doubt Vince paid for the TV slot.
USA might have wanted to counter program TNT but that's a completely different kettle of fish.I also suspect they moved their slot to Tuesday as a result of their inability to trounce AEW.I have a feeling WWE / Vince have some sort of complex feeling towards AEW, where they see them as competition one minute but change their mind the next, and then change it back etc etc. That’s very much Vince’s scattergun mindset of recent years. Constantly changing their mind on things.
There have been a couple of times they’ve tried to mention AEW in their programming (the Jericho episode on Stone Cold’s show, and Sami Zayn’s promo). It was out of character for them to do this, but part of me thinks it was a way of them trying to just be bold and put on a brave face. “Look at us, we can mention AEW, we’re clearly not scared of them”.
But then their chopping and changing behaviour for NXT programming over the past year has demonstrated that it’s on their mind in some way.
I think they know that deep down they will probably be fine from a revenue standpoint, but AEW will always be niggling in the back of their mind as long as they have this momentum. They can’t just ignore them forever.0 -
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Wow, that's big! I wonder how they'll fuck it up?0
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By not training him and throwing him in the ring against Goldberg?Friend Or Defoe said:Wow, that's big! I wonder how they'll fuck it up?0 -
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They also signed his brother Bobby, so I'd imagine a reboot of the American Alphas gimmick, especially with one of them called Gable.
American Alpha were already a reboot of The World's Greatest Tag Team anyway0 -
But American Alpha were the world's greatest tag team and they screwed it up. 🥺sam3110 said:They also signed his brother Bobby, so I'd imagine a reboot of the American Alphas gimmick, especially with one of them called Gable.
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If you have got 12 minutes of your life you don't want back watch Flair v Jax from RAW form last week (may actually be the week before). Possibly the worst TV match I have seen in years.2
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To think that they’ve released the likes of Bray Wyatt yet still insist on Nia Jax really says something. She’s absolutely awful in the ring.
Then again, The Rock is her cousin.0 -
Big E has announced he's cashing in his MITB tonight in was is obviously not an attempt to boost ratings or due to AEW.1
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Keeping Nia Jax is wrong, she is absolutely garbage in the ring.cafctom said:To think that they’ve released the likes of Bray Wyatt yet still insist on Nia Jax really says something. She’s absolutely awful in the ring.
Then again, The Rock is her cousin.
The problem with Wyatt is when you book him like they did you can't really do much with him afterwards.
The problem the WWE have got is their 4 biggest stars have been main eventing for longer than Hogan. Reigns has already been a main eventer longer than Hogan's hulkamania run. Lesner and Cena even longer. At least Lashley went away.
There are only so many people you can push at a time, what do you do with a Wyatt, or a Strowman, when you stop using them as main eventers?
I really hope AEW sigh Charlotte, Tessa and Wyatt and put them in a stable with Brock Anderson. I would believe it if Tess and Ashley beat the bucks
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Everyone is the Rock's cousin. 🤷🏻♂️
I like how there are two Samoan families, the man for has vacanted the NXT title and everyone else.
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Jax is a liability. She needs to head back to training.0
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She is untrainable, it must be like wrestling a sofa. I can't say I have suffered many of her matches but from that 1 you can see she doesn't have the dexterity or agility to do anything at all.Friend Or Defoe said:Jax is a liability. She needs to head back to training.0 -
Jim Cornette described her on his podcast as someone who looked like a “refrigerator with a cape on”1
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Bit mean, but she isn't safe. She broke Becky Lynch's nose. No professional wrestler should be doing that0
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True. It made Becky a star though!!!McBobbin said:Bit mean, but she isn't safe. She broke Becky Lynch's nose. No professional wrestler should be doing that0 -
This is true, one of the most iconic images of recent times! Proper Terry Butcher stuffGravesend_Addick said:
True. It made Becky a star though!!!McBobbin said:Bit mean, but she isn't safe. She broke Becky Lynch's nose. No professional wrestler should be doing that0 -
Behave yourself!McBobbin said:
This is true, one of the most iconic images of recent times! Proper Terry Butcher stuffGravesend_Addick said:
True. It made Becky a star though!!!McBobbin said:Bit mean, but she isn't safe. She broke Becky Lynch's nose. No professional wrestler should be doing that1 -
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I think Big E is a potential giant star. Fergal Devitt off to AEW!cafctom said:
I still couldn’t see that happening. Is The Rock realistically going to stick around to defend the belt…?sam3110 said:
And drops it to The Rock at WM 39 in California?cafctom said:
Wild prediction, but I can see a situation where Reigns holds onto the belt for 2-3 years.sam3110 said:Will be interesting to see who long term is in the AEW title picture.
They've thrown Christian in there, but in reality he wasn't going to have Omega's number twice.
I could make cases for any of;
Black, Rhodes, Page, Punk, Allin, Archer, Jericho, Cole, Danielson, Miro and more, all based on different things, some of them being the best wrestlers around, a couple of them to make them absolute stars you can build an empire on, obviously a couple of names that would make sense in a marketing perspective, and some older stars that could get one final run before handing over the torch.
I look at WWE and I don't see who will dethrone Reigns, other than Lesnar, and most of the other big names just aren't a draw, or are stuck in tag team purgatory
About 5 years ago I was adamant that WWE had a potential megastar main-eventer on their hands with Finn Balor.His ability and background appealed to the die-hards. He’s an incredible looking lad who you could put on a billboard. And he had a superb gimmick (the demon), which perfectly fits WWE’s model of selling merch, appealing to younger audiences, and you could build storylines around it. Literally had everything.And after he had his injury, they just didn’t seem to want to bother with him.0 -
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👀Friend Or Defoe said:
I think Big E is a potential giant star. Fergal Devitt off to AEW!cafctom said:
I still couldn’t see that happening. Is The Rock realistically going to stick around to defend the belt…?sam3110 said:
And drops it to The Rock at WM 39 in California?cafctom said:
Wild prediction, but I can see a situation where Reigns holds onto the belt for 2-3 years.sam3110 said:Will be interesting to see who long term is in the AEW title picture.
They've thrown Christian in there, but in reality he wasn't going to have Omega's number twice.
I could make cases for any of;
Black, Rhodes, Page, Punk, Allin, Archer, Jericho, Cole, Danielson, Miro and more, all based on different things, some of them being the best wrestlers around, a couple of them to make them absolute stars you can build an empire on, obviously a couple of names that would make sense in a marketing perspective, and some older stars that could get one final run before handing over the torch.
I look at WWE and I don't see who will dethrone Reigns, other than Lesnar, and most of the other big names just aren't a draw, or are stuck in tag team purgatory
About 5 years ago I was adamant that WWE had a potential megastar main-eventer on their hands with Finn Balor.His ability and background appealed to the die-hards. He’s an incredible looking lad who you could put on a billboard. And he had a superb gimmick (the demon), which perfectly fits WWE’s model of selling merch, appealing to younger audiences, and you could build storylines around it. Literally had everything.And after he had his injury, they just didn’t seem to want to bother with him.For once WWE got something right. Putting the belt on Big E is the right thing to do2 -
The AEW Grand slam card is mental. It's like a PPV.
I'm surprised they've gone with Omega vs Bryan so quickly but I'm still looking forward to seeing it
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Was watching this week’s Dynamite last night, and it really hit home what a great job they’ve done building the roster they have.Gravesend_Addick said:The AEW Grand slam card is mental. It's like a PPV.
I'm surprised they've gone with Omega vs Bryan so quickly but I'm still looking forward to seeing it
In nearly every segment there was someone who could legitimately be a top main event star.0 -
There will be a schmoz finish and it will build to an even bigger match up in the future, I reckonGravesend_Addick said:The AEW Grand slam card is mental. It's like a PPV.
I'm surprised they've gone with Omega vs Bryan so quickly but I'm still looking forward to seeing it3
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