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  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,230
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,959
    Caught the last few rounds.

    Glad Usyk wasn't screwed over on the scores, deserved it ny a mile from what I saw - different class of boxer to Joshua.

    Joshua looked so sluggish.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    EricBanterna said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Scorecards are spot on.

    Joshua outclassed 
    Thought fosters was a tad close at 115-113.

    Usyk was immense on the night, and Joshua for all his faults dug in dip. 

    Remains to be seen where Joshua goes now, does he take the rematch 
    Usyk would probably ko him.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    CAFCsayer said:
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
    Fury is a far cleverer boxer than AJ.
  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,741
    Waiting for the decision I was tense. Worried that they were going to give it to Joshua or perhaps hedge their bets with a draw.

    Relieved that it went the way it did 4/5 round victory is spot on. Had it gone the other way I am not sure I would have bothered watching anything in the future.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,230
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
    Fury is a far cleverer boxer than AJ.
    And will come in about 3 stone heavier than usyk... you can't dance around with 19.5 stone on your back
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,774
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    superclive98 said:
    Joshua needed to turn it into a brawl, not a boxing match. Usyk a far better boxer. 
    Joshua's limitations were really exposed tonight.
    Joshua has always thought that he was a better boxer than he actually is. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
    Fury is a far cleverer boxer than AJ.
    And will come in about 3 stone heavier than usyk... you can't dance around with 19.5 stone on your back
    AJ has a great physique and is strong but is technically very limited - Usyk completely outclassed him in the last few rounds and made him look very ordinary.

    I don't think AJ would have beaten Fury. 
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,230
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
    Fury is a far cleverer boxer than AJ.
    And will come in about 3 stone heavier than usyk... you can't dance around with 19.5 stone on your back
    AJ has a great physique and is strong but is technically very limited - Usyk completely outclassed him in the last few rounds and made him look very ordinary.

    I don't think AJ would have beaten Fury. 
    Agreed, fury beats aj all day every day
  • EricBanterna
    EricBanterna Posts: 1,740
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
    Fury is a far cleverer boxer than AJ.
    And will come in about 3 stone heavier than usyk... you can't dance around with 19.5 stone on your back
    AJ has a great physique and is strong but is technically very limited - Usyk completely outclassed him in the last few rounds and made him look very ordinary.

    I don't think AJ would have beaten Fury. 
    Agreed, fury beats aj all day every day
    But fury for how great of a boxer he is, would get himself involved in a firefight with Joshua. Just how fury is.

    The only person I see beating fury is fury himself.

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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
    Fury is a far cleverer boxer than AJ.
    And will come in about 3 stone heavier than usyk... you can't dance around with 19.5 stone on your back
    AJ has a great physique and is strong but is technically very limited - Usyk completely outclassed him in the last few rounds and made him look very ordinary.

    I don't think AJ would have beaten Fury. 
    Agreed, fury beats aj all day every day
    Not sure what AJ does now - the fear factor has certainly gone. 
  • EricBanterna
    EricBanterna Posts: 1,740
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    Usyk is very, very classy and that was an amazing performance but I think he gets beat by Tyson Fury in the most boring fight in heavyweight history which is 90% Fury hugging and smothering him
    Fury is a far cleverer boxer than AJ.
    And will come in about 3 stone heavier than usyk... you can't dance around with 19.5 stone on your back
    AJ has a great physique and is strong but is technically very limited - Usyk completely outclassed him in the last few rounds and made him look very ordinary.

    I don't think AJ would have beaten Fury. 
    Agreed, fury beats aj all day every day
    Not sure what AJ does now - the fear factor has certainly gone. 
    Whyte trilogy fight would be my guess.
  • Chef_addick
    Chef_addick Posts: 2,196
    Best man won, completely reinforced my view that Fury beats AJ easily, I think Usyk will be a hard man to beat.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,037
    I've said it before here: gosh that was beautiful from Usyk. He's a wonderful boxer.

    I think Fury beats him fairly easily though. But what a beautiful fight that will be.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,470
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    PaddyP17 said:
    I've said it before here: gosh that was beautiful from Usyk. He's a wonderful boxer.

    I think Fury beats him fairly easily though. But what a beautiful fight that will be.
    It would be hard to call.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,252
    SELR_addicks said:
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
    Joshua got beaten up by Ruiz throwing and landing combinations nothing to do with luck, he fucked him up over a few rounds, a bad beating 

    I'm over the moon for Oleksander Usyk truly great boxer and has done it the hard way and showed up every single one of Joshuas limitations, I gave Joshua 1 round and think the scoring was still too close but at least they didn't conjure up a draw or a Joshua win 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    SELR_addicks said:
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
    All the boxing experts I've listened to have said Usyk is a better boxer - tonight was not really a surprise. Technique beats strength/physique.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,470
    edited September 2021
    Carter said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
    Joshua got beaten up by Ruiz throwing and landing combinations nothing to do with luck, he fucked him up over a few rounds, a bad beating 

    I'm over the moon for Oleksander Usyk truly great boxer and has done it the hard way and showed up every single one of Joshuas limitations, I gave Joshua 1 round and think the scoring was still too close but at least they didn't conjure up a draw or a Joshua win 
    Yes but the media spin was 'unmotivated', 'he caught me behind the ear so I lost equilibrium'. 

    There's nothing with this one. Just got handily beat over 12 rounds by a better boxer. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    SELR_addicks said:
    Carter said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
    Joshua got beaten up by Ruiz throwing and landing combinations nothing to do with luck, he fucked him up over a few rounds, a bad beating 

    I'm over the moon for Oleksander Usyk truly great boxer and has done it the hard way and showed up every single one of Joshuas limitations, I gave Joshua 1 round and think the scoring was still too close but at least they didn't conjure up a draw or a Joshua win 
    Yes but the media spin was 'unmotivated', 'he caught me behind the ear so I lost equilibrium'. 

    There's nothing with this one. Just got handily beat over 12 rounds by a better boxer. 
    Very close to a KO - saved by the bell.

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  • EricBanterna
    EricBanterna Posts: 1,740
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    Carter said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
    Joshua got beaten up by Ruiz throwing and landing combinations nothing to do with luck, he fucked him up over a few rounds, a bad beating 

    I'm over the moon for Oleksander Usyk truly great boxer and has done it the hard way and showed up every single one of Joshuas limitations, I gave Joshua 1 round and think the scoring was still too close but at least they didn't conjure up a draw or a Joshua win 
    Yes but the media spin was 'unmotivated', 'he caught me behind the ear so I lost equilibrium'. 

    There's nothing with this one. Just got handily beat over 12 rounds by a better boxer. 
    Very close to a KO - saved by the bell.
    12th round ended 5 seconds early apparently 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,959
    edited September 2021
    SELR_addicks said:
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
    "Beaten by the better fighter on the night... got my gameplan wrong... he reacted better... Learn from this... gp again... etc"

    Half true, but the issue is Usyk will likely be even better and more confident in any rematch.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    North Lower Neil said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    At least against Ruiz AJ could say he got caught with a lucky punch. 

    What can he say to this? Other than he's just not as good as Usyk. 
    "Beaten by the better fighter on the night... got my gameplan wrong... he reacted better... Learn from this... gp again... etc"

    Half true, but the issue is Usyk will likely be even better and more confident in any rematch.
    I was amazed by the end that Joshua didn't get knocked out. Usyk looked completely in control. 


  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,959
    I don't understand why Joshua was a good stone down on where he has been in the past, given his one advantage was size.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,818
    AJ is just another Bruno 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,452
    Elthamaddick said:
    AJ is just another Bruno 
    A lot of it is about timing - AJ came to the fore when there weren't many decent heavyweights about. Once he fights somebody with a decent technique he's in trouble...
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,002
    North Lower Neil said:
    I don't understand why Joshua was a good stone down on where he has been in the past, given his one advantage was size.
    I think he wanted to win "fairly" and show/prove his actual skills as opposed to being seen as only winning through physical advantages.

    Problem is (as mentioned already) he's really not as good as he thinks he is.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,987
    Said for god knows how long that AJ is a marketing dream but a limited boxer. How anyone could think he could touch Fury is beyond me.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,252
    Chisora showed how to at least make Usyk uncomfortable, rough him up, use natural strength and size and swing in brutal hooks. Usyk could see Joshuas predictable jab coming all night 

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