Not sure where AJ goes now but hope Usyk cleans up now.
What state was the old man in last night? From about 3 seconds into the football he was double lively, sumin set him off some thing the players do before each game or sumin…
I was scoring the rounds quite generously in terms of Joshua and I had him two down going into the final round which he lost. Joshua has a problem for the re-match in that Usyk is a better boxer. It will be interesting to see if Joshua gets heavier as outpowering him and taking him out early seems the only way he could beat him. But Usyk looks a tough customer who isn't easy to put down.
Just watched it back, he was totally outclassed. I think he'll do better in the rematch as he'll have to go with a different, more attacking approach. I'm not sure the outcome will be any different though.
Not sure where AJ goes now but hope Usyk cleans up now.
What state was the old man in last night? From about 3 seconds into the football he was double lively, sumin set him off some thing the players do before each game or sumin…
He was ok mate.
Stuffed his face with pizza and Chilli and that sorted him out.
I think Joshua is gun-shy after that loss to Ruiz, he REALLY doesn’t want to get into trading blows, even against a comparatively light puncher like Usyk.
As others have said there is no way Joshua is out boxing a technical genius like Usyk so why not come in two stones heavier and try to blast him out of there?
Trying to outbox Usyk made no sense, was like Stoke trying to pass Liverpool off the park rather than playing their physical game.
Just watched it back, he was totally outclassed. I think he'll do better in the rematch as he'll have to go with a different, more attacking approach. I'm not sure the outcome will be any different though.
A start would be ditching McCraken.
If there is any talent there I think he's taken him as far as he can.
A good example of how this could have gone is to look at the Haye v Wlad fight. Haye the much faster but smaller man who could legitimately bang very hard and Wlad the bigger guy with a game plan of jab, jab hold or jab jab right hand. Wlad smothered him anytime he got close and leant on him using his own weight and draining Hayes energy
Joshua hasn't become a bad boxer but what a lot of people who are more Joshua fans than they are boxing fans don't appreciate is he is a bit of a flat track bully. Looks amazing against guys who stand in front of him, treat head and lateral movement as an afterthought along with footwork and are there to be ironed out, something else and this might sound obvious but.... he doesn't like getting hurt, and I don't mean punched, he reacts really really badly to facial damage. Stick him in with one of or a combination of the following good footwork and movement (Parker, Usyk, Ruiz) and he will struggle and thats before I think of people who throw fast combinations like Usyk and Ruiz.
I dont think he can change his spots now, he should have watched the success Chisora had by being a bully and done just that, thrown Usyk around, hit him round the back if the head, back of the body, really made him uncomfortable. Instead he pawed out a telegraphed jab and was led around the ring by a southpaw when he could have been leading him left and throwing his right hand with intent.
Hard to see how he could've given Joshua both the first 2 rounds, but having the score 4-2 to Joshua after 6 isn't that 'wrong' when you see the other 2 judges had it 3-3.
He also scored 11 of the rounds exactly the same as Weisfield and 8 the same as Fesechenko.
So i wouldn't say it's the worst scoring i've ever seen. Unlike the ref in the Hatton fight.
A good example of how this could have gone is to look at the Haye v Wlad fight. Haye the much faster but smaller man who could legitimately bang very hard and Wlad the bigger guy with a game plan of jab, jab hold or jab jab right hand. Wlad smothered him anytime he got close and leant on him using his own weight and draining Hayes energy
Joshua hasn't become a bad boxer but what a lot of people who are more Joshua fans than they are boxing fans don't appreciate is he is a bit of a flat track bully. Looks amazing against guys who stand in front of him, treat head and lateral movement as an afterthought along with footwork and are there to be ironed out, something else and this might sound obvious but.... he doesn't like getting hurt, and I don't mean punched, he reacts really really badly to facial damage. Stick him in with one of or a combination of the following good footwork and movement (Parker, Usyk, Ruiz) and he will struggle and thats before I think of people who throw fast combinations like Usyk and Ruiz.
I dont think he can change his spots now, he should have watched the success Chisora had by being a bully and done just that, thrown Usyk around, hit him round the back if the head, back of the body, really made him uncomfortable. Instead he pawed out a telegraphed jab and was led around the ring by a southpaw when he could have been leading him left and throwing his right hand with intent.
I suspect it is more down to him not having confidence in his chin.
Can we not praise and appreciate that he gave the UK an Olympic gold medalist & 2 time unified world champion who’s a great role model.
instead we just tear him down. He’s just lost to a world class, multi-weight, unified champ. No shame in that.
Whatever you think of his ability he’s never once ducked a fight he’s beaten some good fighters and created some amazing occasions and increased the mainstream interest in boxing - increasing the paydays for all fighters.
Can we not praise and appreciate that he gave the UK an Olympic gold medalist & 2 time unified world champion who’s a great role model.
instead we just tear him down. He’s just lost to a world class, multi-weight, unified champ. No shame in that.
Whatever you think of his ability he’s never once ducked a fight he’s beaten some good fighters and created some amazing occasions and increased the mainstream interest in boxing - increasing the paydays for all fighters.
I haven't seen any hate towards him on here or mocking, the usual shitheads on social media been being brave predictably but on here we've had a pretty constructive discussion of him. In terms of who he's fought and the occasions he's given. I'll say the fight with Klitschko is one of the best heavyweight fights of recent memory but he has managed to collect 3 of the 4 belts and not fight Fury or Wilder.
Where Joshua isn't rated as highly by some is down to how he has been managed and how his limitations are clear to see, for me at least. I have nothing against him but I knew that fight was all wrong for him and made a decent amount of money off the bookies on the back of it
Agreed Usyk was all wrong for AJ yet he still took the fight to get to Fury.
It’s worth remembering that he didn’t start boxing until very late and has does phenomenally well to use his clear physical gifts. He was actually a decent footballer before he balked up.
he’s certainly no Bruno as someone suggested. He’s a legitimate top level, world Champ.
as an aside I’ve met him and also know a childhood friend of his and he’s a cool guy, very humble and grounded - unlike a certain Mr Fury
Anyone else get the video going round of Froch at the AJ fight absolutely off his chops whilst being interviewed after the fight 🤣
Yeah mate, pinging out of his nut. Eyes where everywhere.
Don't know what interview that you are talking about, but I've just watched an eight minute interview with him after the fight and he seems absolutely fine. He does complain about the bright lights at the beginning but "pinging out of his nut", I don't see.
Watch from 3.14 ... he is giving Kalle a run for his money there! Sees Mike Costello over his shoulder and realises he probably shouldnt be in there doing an intervview!
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As others have said there is no way Joshua is out boxing a technical genius like Usyk so why not come in two stones heavier and try to blast him out of there?
Trying to outbox Usyk made no sense, was like Stoke trying to pass Liverpool off the park rather than playing their physical game.
If there is any talent there I think he's taken him as far as he can.
Joshua hasn't become a bad boxer but what a lot of people who are more Joshua fans than they are boxing fans don't appreciate is he is a bit of a flat track bully. Looks amazing against guys who stand in front of him, treat head and lateral movement as an afterthought along with footwork and are there to be ironed out, something else and this might sound obvious but.... he doesn't like getting hurt, and I don't mean punched, he reacts really really badly to facial damage. Stick him in with one of or a combination of the following good footwork and movement (Parker, Usyk, Ruiz) and he will struggle and thats before I think of people who throw fast combinations like Usyk and Ruiz.
I dont think he can change his spots now, he should have watched the success Chisora had by being a bully and done just that, thrown Usyk around, hit him round the back if the head, back of the body, really made him uncomfortable. Instead he pawed out a telegraphed jab and was led around the ring by a southpaw when he could have been leading him left and throwing his right hand with intent.
Howard Foster should never judge again.
He also scored 11 of the rounds exactly the same as Weisfield and 8 the same as Fesechenko.
So i wouldn't say it's the worst scoring i've ever seen. Unlike the ref in the Hatton fight.
Can we not praise and appreciate that he gave the UK an Olympic gold medalist & 2 time unified world champion who’s a great role model.
instead we just tear him down. He’s just lost to a world class, multi-weight, unified champ. No shame in that.
Whatever you think of his ability he’s never once ducked a fight he’s beaten some good fighters and created some amazing occasions and increased the mainstream interest in boxing - increasing the paydays for all fighters.
Where Joshua isn't rated as highly by some is down to how he has been managed and how his limitations are clear to see, for me at least. I have nothing against him but I knew that fight was all wrong for him and made a decent amount of money off the bookies on the back of it
It’s worth remembering that he didn’t start boxing until very late and has does phenomenally well to use his clear physical gifts. He was actually a decent footballer before he balked up.
he’s certainly no Bruno as someone suggested. He’s a legitimate top level, world Champ.
as an aside I’ve met him and also know a childhood friend of his and he’s a cool guy, very humble and grounded - unlike a certain Mr Fury
*though it ain't Kalle Sauerland levels.
Quite simply, one of the greatest boxers of all time.
He's running for president of the Phillipines
My comment was tongue in cheek.
Watch from 3.14 ... he is giving Kalle a run for his money there! Sees Mike Costello over his shoulder and realises he probably shouldnt be in there doing an intervview!