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  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    cafckev said:
    I love Jacko but is it really time to bring in an experienced Manager to turn things around as apposed to a inexperienced manager?
    The club is crying out for a Wilder or even a Warnock type manager (not that I’d want him here) but we are desperate to move on and up. With Jacko, I am sure we’d get the “new manager bounce” but could he sustain it? Personally I have my doubts 
    This is exactly what it boils down to for me. I do 100% believe Jackson will be able to get a response from the players, and let’s face it (although against weaker opposition) the Pizza Cup games have been exciting to watch.

    The issue for me is I don’t see anything (very limited time) in a Jackson team that our football will be wildly different to what we have see the last few years. I personally feel like we need a complete overhaul and cultural and ethos change at the training ground because we will just inevitably as it has been for a while now sleep into the same patterns.
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    Bye Nige, regardless of any other factors he had to go, wish him well.

    Not expecting much in the way of changes tbh, hopefully get that "new manager bounce". 



  • robroy
    robroy Posts: 4,426

  • Belv
    Belv Posts: 836
    Obviously wins are extremely important now but first and foremost we need to see improvement! If we lose on Saturday, as is likely we at least to need make Sunderland work hard for it.

    Doncaster is the one. 
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,552
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    I once read a statistical analysis of the new manager bounce and it turns out it doesn’t actually exist. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,737
    I've posted my initial thoughts on the Adkins Gone thread.

    But wanted to add here that it's now time to get firmly behind whoever wears the shirt regardless of how we thought they performed/didn't perform under NA.

    TS has now stated that the players aren't fully fit & are not aggressive enough on the pitch but we have to hope this was down to their training regime & the instructions of their former gaffer.

    Confidence breeds success & THIS is what we need to instil in this team via our loud & proud support from the Stands .

    We can't make the trip to Sunderland but I know that those who do will try their best to play their part in a new start for all concerned. 

    Bring us home the 3 points, lads & lasses ! 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Uboat said:
    I once read a statistical analysis of the new manager bounce and it turns out it doesn’t actually exist for Charlton. 
    Yeah I can believe that. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    addick1956 said:
    shirty5 said:
    The longer Sandgaard leaves Adkins in charge, the worse it will get. If he is charge on Saturday and we lose up at Sunderland we could be 7 points adrift in the relegation places. Now is not the time for waiting. Announce he has gone first thing tomorrow morning and we can move forward on from a manager that has been tactically naive this season
    IF WE LOSE ON SATURDAY !! They beat Cheltenham 5-0. We lost to them 1-2 and were out thought and played all over the park. IF ?
    As Golfie might have written: "Past performance is no guarantee of future results".

    It's football FFS. Anything can happen. :wink:



  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    He needs 4-5 games. Can't just give him months in charge if results don't improve.

    I'm not expecting anything from Saturday points wise, but there has to be a huge improvement in performance. 

    I'd love nothing more than to have Jacko at the helm for years to come, leading us back to the Championship, but sentiment can't get in the way of this being a results business. If we lose the next 4 (not saying we will), then we'd have to get someone else in.
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  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    Saturday is a free hit for JJ & JE as we are not expected to get anything at Sunderland. However after Saturday they need to start getting some points on the board. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    addick1956 said:
    shirty5 said:
    The longer Sandgaard leaves Adkins in charge, the worse it will get. If he is charge on Saturday and we lose up at Sunderland we could be 7 points adrift in the relegation places. Now is not the time for waiting. Announce he has gone first thing tomorrow morning and we can move forward on from a manager that has been tactically naive this season
    IF WE LOSE ON SATURDAY !! They beat Cheltenham 5-0. We lost to them 1-2 and were out thought and played all over the park. IF ?
    Yeah. If. Chances of getting anything at all are vanishingly remote but stranger things have happened. Might be an absolute daylight robbery of an undeserved win, might fight for a lucky draw or quite possibly we get 3 or 4 stuck past us with ease.

    But we dont know, so yes it's IF. 
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,552
    Croydon said:
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    He needs 4-5 games. Can't just give him months in charge if results don't improve.

    I'm not expecting anything from Saturday points wise, but there has to be a huge improvement in performance. 

    I'd love nothing more than to have Jacko at the helm for years to come, leading us back to the Championship, but sentiment can't get in the way of this being a results business. If we lose the next 4 (not saying we will), then we'd have to get someone else in.
    You don’t give someone 4-5 games to turn this shit show around, unless you’re keen on sacking everyone you employ if they’re not outstanding immediately. 

    This isn’t about sentiment, it’s about giving someone the chance to do the job properly. It might take 5 games to have accrued enough training sessions to begin getting his message across. I’d afford that courtesy to anyone coming in, not just JJ.

    I’m not saying give him months in charge if we’re losing 6-0 every week, but similarly you can’t get a new manager, tasked with as hard a job as you’ll get in football, and state you’ve got 4 or 5 games to turn it around. That’s a recipe for staff churn and even more turmoil
  • Sam_777
    Sam_777 Posts: 52
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    Sorry pal, we're 3rd from bottom, we don't have a few months to piss about 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram.

    He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    It seems to me that Thomas has already indicated he's willing to try that ..... and to see how it goes.


  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    He's also been assistant manager to get us to that lowest point. 

    The fact everything is getting thrown at Adkins when fitness is an issue (down to every coach). 

    I do think there's a bit of a question as to how early on Jackson was briefing against Adkins knowing he would get his own crack at the whip once he was gone. 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    edited October 2021
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Croydon said:
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    He needs 4-5 games. Can't just give him months in charge if results don't improve.

    I'm not expecting anything from Saturday points wise, but there has to be a huge improvement in performance. 

    I'd love nothing more than to have Jacko at the helm for years to come, leading us back to the Championship, but sentiment can't get in the way of this being a results business. If we lose the next 4 (not saying we will), then we'd have to get someone else in.
    You don’t give someone 4-5 games to turn this shit show around, unless you’re keen on sacking everyone you employ if they’re not outstanding immediately. 

    This isn’t about sentiment, it’s about giving someone the chance to do the job properly. It might take 5 games to have accrued enough training sessions to begin getting his message across. I’d afford that courtesy to anyone coming in, not just JJ.

    I’m not saying give him months in charge if we’re losing 6-0 every week, but similarly you can’t get a new manager, tasked with as hard a job as you’ll get in football, and state you’ve got 4 or 5 games to turn it around. That’s a recipe for staff churn and even more turmoil
    You can give him 4-5 matches because he's a caretaker boss. That's literally the point of that role, to oversee it for a short time.

    Doesn't have to be 6-0, if we lost the next 4 we'll be well adrift. We simply don't have the luxury to hope he'd turn it around after that 
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    None of us know what goes on behind the scenes or the dynamics etc.

    JJ is not absconded of responsibility for the current situation, but equally should have everyone’s full support at this stage. 
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    cafc375 said:

    Unfortunate that Sam appears to be laughing.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,560
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Croydon said:
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    He needs 4-5 games. Can't just give him months in charge if results don't improve.

    I'm not expecting anything from Saturday points wise, but there has to be a huge improvement in performance. 

    I'd love nothing more than to have Jacko at the helm for years to come, leading us back to the Championship, but sentiment can't get in the way of this being a results business. If we lose the next 4 (not saying we will), then we'd have to get someone else in.
    You don’t give someone 4-5 games to turn this shit show around, unless you’re keen on sacking everyone you employ if they’re not outstanding immediately. 

    This isn’t about sentiment, it’s about giving someone the chance to do the job properly. It might take 5 games to have accrued enough training sessions to begin getting his message across. I’d afford that courtesy to anyone coming in, not just JJ.

    I’m not saying give him months in charge if we’re losing 6-0 every week, but similarly you can’t get a new manager, tasked with as hard a job as you’ll get in football, and state you’ve got 4 or 5 games to turn it around. That’s a recipe for staff churn and even more turmoil
    I'm happy to give him 4-5 games to show there is an improvement in performances and that we are picking up some points here and there. If that's the case then by all means give him longer. However, if in five games time we have picked up say two points and performances are just as dire then does he deserve longer? If that scenario does happen then we will really be up a certain creek without a certain wooden implement and we might be too late to save so he may get longer anyway. 
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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    No battle, No Victory.
  • Southendaddick
    Southendaddick Posts: 5,314
    Take no pleasure from anyone getting sacked but this was coming and should have been done after Bolton.

    Fully behind JJ no really hope we get a performance on Saturday even if the result doesn’t go to plan.

    Doncaster at home will be the real test of where we are and what influence JJ can bring.

    All the best to Adkins, I don’t see him getting another managerial job but after a few pay offs I’m sure he will be fine.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    Sam_777 said:
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    Sorry pal, we're 3rd from bottom, we don't have a few months to piss about 
    Equally though it's completely unrealistic to make a judgement after only 4 or 5 games too. If there is going to be a turn around in attitude and a new way of playing that's going to take anyone time to implement properly. 

    I'm not just talking about a hypothetical "bounce" I mean reversing a losing mentality across the whole squad. 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    Southendaddick said:
    Take no pleasure from anyone getting sacked but this was coming and should have been done after Bolton.

    Fully behind JJ no really hope we get a performance on Saturday even if the result doesn’t go to plan.

    Doncaster at home will be the real test of where we are and what influence JJ can bring.

    All the best to Adkins, I don’t see him getting another managerial job but after a few pay offs I’m sure he will be fine.
    We'd have beat Doncaster under Adkins too. It's a gimme. 
  • CL_Phantom
    CL_Phantom Posts: 5,513
    AFKABartram said:
    None of us know what goes on behind the scenes or the dynamics etc.

    JJ is not absconded of responsibility for the current situation, but equally should have everyone’s full support at this stage. 

    Says you, it's well known fact that:

    1. JJ was just doing what his manager said
    2. JJ never had any input into tactics
    3. Was never allowed to motivate the players as he was only AM
    4. Was secretly plotting against Adkins from day one as he knew he was manager next
    5. Adkins was advocating long ball then telling everyone it was never his idea.









    😉😬


  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,552
    SELR_addicks said:
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    He's also been assistant manager to get us to that lowest point. 

    The fact everything is getting thrown at Adkins when fitness is an issue (down to every coach). 

    I do think there's a bit of a question as to how early on Jackson was briefing against Adkins knowing he would get his own crack at the whip once he was gone. 
    Are the seriously implying that Johnnie Jackson could have been actively sabotaging our season so Adkins would be sacked and he could get a crack at the whip? 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    ElliotCAFC said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    ElliotCAFC said:
    Can already see some of the usual suspects sharping their scythes in anticipation of a defeat on Saturday. 

    Regardless if you think this is the right move or not, a true Charlton legend has just been tasked with saving the club from its lowest ever point. He’s only going to have one coaching season before going to what is probably the toughest fixture in the division.

    If we get pumped 3-0, that’s not your cue to throw your toys out of the pram. He needs a shot over the course of a few months to cut out the rot and get his ideas across.
    He's also been assistant manager to get us to that lowest point. 

    The fact everything is getting thrown at Adkins when fitness is an issue (down to every coach). 

    I do think there's a bit of a question as to how early on Jackson was briefing against Adkins knowing he would get his own crack at the whip once he was gone. 
    Are the seriously implying that Johnnie Jackson could have been actively sabotaging our season so Adkins would be sacked and he could get a crack at the whip? 
    No didn't say sabotage at all. 

    Telling upstairs that clearly it's not working out under Adkins isn't actively sabotaging a season. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Elthamaddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Gribbo said:
    Stonewallpenalty19 said:
    TEL said:
    It's been pretty obvious for a good 2-3 weeks his job was untenable. Rarely does anyone come back from being openly castigated by the fans. Wish him well, I'm sure the pay off will soften the blow. 

    Wilder please Mr Sandgaard 
    1,000,000% never gonna happen. If Wilder is your expectation then you will be let down on a biblical scale. You might well ask Sangaard for Bill Shankley.
    Not saying it will be Wilder, but would love it to be a big name that everyone is happy with and exceeds all expectations, just so people who are so confident with their predictions get egg in the face.
    If JJ & JE improve things and we get a couple of points on the board I suspect Thomas will take the cheap option and appoint them full time.
    if they do improve things and we start winning then why on earth wouldn't/shouldn't they get the job?
    Pretty sure it would be short lived, and we'd be in the same situation come this time next year
    why though? - interested as to what makes you think that way?? - Euell is good enough to work in the England set up but not good enough for League 1?

    I don't want to piss on their day and want them to have loads of success, whether it is short term, or if they go on to do it as the permanent management team.

    Not had a premonition or anything and not blindly stating that they're destined to fail from the outset as a fact. It's just a lightly put opinion - Have a feeling they'll start off really well with the bounce that everyone speak of and I also think they'll get the existing players on their side too. But I'd worry when it comes to bringing new players in though, as we've essentially got the same set up as we've had overseeing the last few transfer windows, which haven't exactly been a roaring success. And I personally think we need a complete overhaul of the management team and a new face to come in, working with their own choice of people, under an experienced conventional football CEO. That's just what I think is best for the long term future, looking at it through today's eyes. 

    But as I said, they've got my full backing from the start and hope it all works out 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    SELR_addicks said:
    Southendaddick said:
    Take no pleasure from anyone getting sacked but this was coming and should have been done after Bolton.

    Fully behind JJ no really hope we get a performance on Saturday even if the result doesn’t go to plan.

    Doncaster at home will be the real test of where we are and what influence JJ can bring.

    All the best to Adkins, I don’t see him getting another managerial job but after a few pay offs I’m sure he will be fine.
    We'd have beat Doncaster under Adkins too. It's a gimme. 
    HAHA!

  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    SELR_addicks said:
    Southendaddick said:
    Take no pleasure from anyone getting sacked but this was coming and should have been done after Bolton.

    Fully behind JJ no really hope we get a performance on Saturday even if the result doesn’t go to plan.

    Doncaster at home will be the real test of where we are and what influence JJ can bring.

    All the best to Adkins, I don’t see him getting another managerial job but after a few pay offs I’m sure he will be fine.
    We'd have beat Doncaster under Adkins too. It's a gimme. 
    Behave, we look incapable of beating anyone at the moment, our two most convincing wins this season have been against Crawley (League 2) and Southampton under 21's both in the cup.

    This is a good indicator that we are a poor League One side
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