Trevor kettle is back for the Burton game

RedChaser said:

LonelyNorthernAddick said:

soapboxsam said:

bolloxbolder said:

soapboxsam said:

PragueAddick said:

charltonman2016 said:

Great........... Red card incoming 

Will he look to break his record for his earliest sending off of a Charlton player?

That record stands at...48 seconds. 

perhaps he may send Pearcy off as soon as he steps on the pitch, on the basis of "might as well get it out of the way"

I remember 3 years ago,  holding court and telling anyone within earshot that Trevor two reds Kettle was the ref, and stand by for yellow and red cards.   

Naby Sarr, went full on sliding tackle which in my bias opinion was a yellow card.
99% of Refs would've agreed; not Kettle who had the red card up his sleeve as we kicked off and 48 seconds later was pointing it in the face of Naby.

We won that game against Wimbledon 1-0 and from memory I think that was the 3rd Cafc match where he gave 2 red cards.

2-0

I knew we won but can't recall either goal.
Hollands and Wagstaff got reds in an away game. Two Bolton players in a home game, and Naby and a Wimbledon player  in that Victory. I also remember that Joe Pigott failed a fitness test and didn't play.

Oldham away i think. Promotion season

Correct, April 2012, we finished with 9 men Hollands and Wagstaff saw red. Oldham had 10 men, we won 1-0 with a 2nd half header from SuperYann. My report on the match is in the archives on here somewhere 😉.

https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/47298/oldham-0-1-charlton-post-match-phews/p1

RedChaser said:

PrincessFiona said:

RedChaser said:

LonelyNorthernAddick said:

soapboxsam said:

bolloxbolder said:

soapboxsam said:

PragueAddick said:

charltonman2016 said:

Great........... Red card incoming 

Will he look to break his record for his earliest sending off of a Charlton player?

That record stands at...48 seconds. 

perhaps he may send Pearcy off as soon as he steps on the pitch, on the basis of "might as well get it out of the way"

I remember 3 years ago,  holding court and telling anyone within earshot that Trevor two reds Kettle was the ref, and stand by for yellow and red cards.   

Naby Sarr, went full on sliding tackle which in my bias opinion was a yellow card.
99% of Refs would've agreed; not Kettle who had the red card up his sleeve as we kicked off and 48 seconds later was pointing it in the face of Naby.

We won that game against Wimbledon 1-0 and from memory I think that was the 3rd Cafc match where he gave 2 red cards.

2-0

I knew we won but can't recall either goal.
Hollands and Wagstaff got reds in an away game. Two Bolton players in a home game, and Naby and a Wimbledon player  in that Victory. I also remember that Joe Pigott failed a fitness test and didn't play.

Oldham away i think. Promotion season

Correct, April 2012, we finished with 9 men Hollands and Wagstaff saw red. Oldham had 10 men, we won 1-0 with a 2nd half header from SuperYann. My report on the match is in the archives on here somewhere 😉.

I was there and honestly don't recall it being a dirty game!

It was a typical blood and thunder Oop North L1 game where the home team weren’t prepared to let the table toppers have an easy ride. However our Trev went overboard with the eleven yellow and two red cards he dished out that day. Hollands was a straight ref for a stamp tackle on the bye line near half way. Wagstaff’s was for two yellows the second due to his momentum causing the unintentional collision. M’Voto their CB also went for two yellows.

Fair enough but I don't recall the game being anywhere near as bad as the card count would suggest, a good contest but not ridiculously dirty. I didn't know Kettle was the ref today but when I saw the first half stats and cards, I turned to my other half and told him the ref must be Kettle!

THought he did well this game. Maybe people are judging him too much on previous games. Maybe could have given Davison a couple of decisions second half, but other than that, really good.

Good to see very little has changed, the geezer don’t like half handing out a card!

I think we all knew this was coming still can’t believe how the fella has stayed in the game so long.

I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud. 

RedRobin said:

I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud. 

Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle game

We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.

To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.

ForeverAddickted said:

RedRobin said:

I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud. 

Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle game

We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.

To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.

I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.

Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.

PragueAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

RedRobin said:

I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud. 

Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle game

We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.

To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.

I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.

Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.

https://youtu.be/4cYQf9FJSW8

Naby Street Red Card, out of control over the top. Laws of the game make no allowance when a challenge can be differently treated when they occur in the game. The same ref quote rightly was lambasted for not sending off Blizzard for the challenge on Basey in the fist minute. Although this does not have the same intent its still classed in the same bracket of Red Card

Exactly. "Be careful lads as we know the refs a liability".

** cue footballer fancies being the liability 

Cloudworm said:

THought he did well this game. Maybe people are judging him too much on previous games. Maybe could have given Davison a couple of decisions second half, but other than that, really good.

Not sure what plant you dropped on mate when you fell out of the sky but I guess it must have been cannabis. 

oohaahmortimer said:

He cost us the game yesterday 

He may well have cost us the next game now that both Stockley and Famewo are suspended.

Clare got a yellow for time wasting in the first half on a throw in by the dugout.  If you were to play the video back it was obvious there was no time wasting at all. 

Jayajosh said:

Clare got a yellow for time wasting in the first half on a throw in by the dugout.  If you were to play the video back it was obvious there was no time wasting at all. 

Yes, I thought that was a strange one.

Cloudworm said:

PragueAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

RedRobin said:

I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud. 

Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle game

We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.

To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.

I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.

Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.

That's not in the laws, so it shouldn't be. It's a decision based on what any of the four officials have seen. We must assume the linesman saw it clear enough for the decision to be made. 

Of course I know perfectly well that the written law does not and never will have anything to say about when in the game a red can be shown. That is not my point at all.

We all understand that the referee has to exercise his judgement, and it is not easy to get it right. My point was that if he is in doubt, then a red card in the first 20 minutes should be avoided, because they radically change the nature of the game. Yesterday actually had a good open feel about it until that happened. As for "we must assume" the linesman saw it clearly" then again, we are talking about Kettle here. No such assumption is safe to make. I would bet a fair bit of money that he has more early red cards to his name than most if not all the refs on the list. 

Steve Brown, who I think is much more effective in the studio than as co-commentator, was firmly convinced they should have had yellows, and he would have had the chance to see the replays on a decent screen and discuss it with the fellow pros. Although Josh Parker thought Stockley's red was correct. Scotty didnt call it...

ForeverAddickted said:

RedChaser said:

What did Famewo get booked for? 

The time wasting that everyone thought Clare did

Quelle Surprise! A guilty person in a line up would have no worries about Kettle picking them out 🙄.