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Trevor kettle is back for the Burton game
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He’s a strong ref who applies the laws strictly and in my view, bravely. I like that but I guess you prefer more lenient refs. That’s ok.PragueAddick said:
Of course I know perfectly well that the written law does not and never will have anything to say about when in the game a red can be shown. That is not my point at all.Cloudworm said:
That's not in the laws, so it shouldn't be. It's a decision based on what any of the four officials have seen. We must assume the linesman saw it clear enough for the decision to be made.PragueAddick said:
I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.ForeverAddickted said:
Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle gameRedRobin said:I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud.
We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.
To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.
Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.
We all understand that the referee has to exercise his judgement, and it is not easy to get it right. My point was that if he is in doubt, then a red card in the first 20 minutes should be avoided, because they radically change the nature of the game. Yesterday actually had a good open feel about it until that happened. As for "we must assume" the linesman saw it clearly" then again, we are talking about Kettle here. No such assumption is safe to make. I would bet a fair bit of money that he has more early red cards to his name than most if not all the refs on the list.
Steve Brown, who I think is much more effective in the studio than as co-commentator, was firmly convinced they should have had yellows, and he would have had the chance to see the replays on a decent screen and discuss it with the fellow pros. Although Josh Parker thought Stockley's red was correct. Scotty didnt call it...
I don’t think he had a choice when two players go at it after 17 minutes like that. Otherwise he gets written up when they do it again 10 minutes later.
As for Steve Brown, he’s only seen what you and I have seen and I disagree that former professionals are necessary good at interpreting the laws of the game. Similar to CL, 99% of them would never have read the rule book, or reffed any games.
We can agree that Brown’s better in the studio. I’d love him to take Terry with him too though!
All the best.0 -
A talking to and yellow card each would’ve been nipping it in the bud. They’re wrestling on the floor not standing trading punches. Daft decision from a daft ref.lordromford said:
He very clearly held up 9 fingers then pointed to Stockley before showing his red and did the same (but 4 fingers this time) for Oshilaja. There was no doubt who was being carded.mendonca said:A class A oddball.
You couldn't even see who he was pointing the red cards to.Not sure what you wanted him to do.
I don’t like Kettle, I don’t think he’s a good ref and trouble seems to follow him around, but I don’t think the criticism he’s getting for Saturday is proportional. Yes, he could’ve only yellow carded both players, and yes, he could’ve been paying better attention to the incident, but on the assumption that the Lino said they both had to go, I’m not sure what else he could’ve done. If they’d stayed on angry and then had a proper ruck later in the game, he’d be criticised for not nipping it in the bud.6 -
Famewo missing next game for that unwarranted time wasting booking is the travesty here
Stockley deserved his red
Both are gonna be huge misses for us in the next game
Stockley being out for 3 games is a serious threat to our momentum.0 -
If every ref was like Kettle barely any matches would end with 11 men on each side.Cloudworm said:
He’s a strong ref who applies the laws strictly and in my view, bravely. I like that but I guess you prefer more lenient refs. That’s ok.PragueAddick said:
Of course I know perfectly well that the written law does not and never will have anything to say about when in the game a red can be shown. That is not my point at all.Cloudworm said:
That's not in the laws, so it shouldn't be. It's a decision based on what any of the four officials have seen. We must assume the linesman saw it clear enough for the decision to be made.PragueAddick said:
I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.ForeverAddickted said:
Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle gameRedRobin said:I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud.
We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.
To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.
Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.
We all understand that the referee has to exercise his judgement, and it is not easy to get it right. My point was that if he is in doubt, then a red card in the first 20 minutes should be avoided, because they radically change the nature of the game. Yesterday actually had a good open feel about it until that happened. As for "we must assume" the linesman saw it clearly" then again, we are talking about Kettle here. No such assumption is safe to make. I would bet a fair bit of money that he has more early red cards to his name than most if not all the refs on the list.
Steve Brown, who I think is much more effective in the studio than as co-commentator, was firmly convinced they should have had yellows, and he would have had the chance to see the replays on a decent screen and discuss it with the fellow pros. Although Josh Parker thought Stockley's red was correct. Scotty didnt call it...
I don’t think he had a choice when two players go at it after 17 minutes like that. Otherwise he gets written up when they do it again 10 minutes later.
As for Steve Brown, he’s only seen what you and I have seen and I disagree that former professionals are necessary good at interpreting the laws of the game. Similar to CL, 99% of them would never have read the rule book, or reffed any games.
We can agree that Brown’s better in the studio. I’d love him to take Terry with him too though!
All the best.3 -
Trevor Kettle makes my blood boil!1
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They had a fucking fight on the pitch. Of course they had to be sent off ffs5
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I agree. A sad indictment of the conduct and attitudes of the modern player!Scoham said:
If every ref was like Kettle barely any matches would end with 11 men on each side.Cloudworm said:
He’s a strong ref who applies the laws strictly and in my view, bravely. I like that but I guess you prefer more lenient refs. That’s ok.PragueAddick said:
Of course I know perfectly well that the written law does not and never will have anything to say about when in the game a red can be shown. That is not my point at all.Cloudworm said:
That's not in the laws, so it shouldn't be. It's a decision based on what any of the four officials have seen. We must assume the linesman saw it clear enough for the decision to be made.PragueAddick said:
I dont agree with this letting him off the hook because he spoke to the linesman. That assumes the linesman saw things clearly from the get-go, for starters. He spent a long time talking to the linesman before sending off the Nabster too. In that case both the cameras and officials had ( or should have had) a clear view, so its a matter of judgement whether it was so dangerous as to warrant a red. Kettle’s judgement, not the lino’s, but as yesterday he made a big ceremony and implicated the lino in his decision.ForeverAddickted said:
Neither player should have their red card rescinded for being stupid enough to do it in a Trevor Kettle gameRedRobin said:I expect both clubs to appeal the red cards and expect both to be rescinded, both should have got yellow cards nothing more. Kettle lost control of that first half and didn’t even see the incident and instead relied on his lino, who got it wrong, comical all round. The bloke is a clown and is up there with Keith Shroud.
We all know his reputation, the Burton commentary team knew of his reputation before the game, and am sure that the Charlton and Burton Management teams warned their players not to take any risks under him.
To be fair he did the right thing by going to his linesman, better to check than to guess - The linesman is then only going to give his assessment over what he's seen, then its up to Kettle to decide on the punishment based on that.
Most people who saw the Nabsteŕs foul agreed it should have been only a yellow. Neither the footage from yesterday nor the view of most people in the Charlton end allows for a clear view of what happened. And Kettle himself was not watching, Valley Pass proved that much. In such situations of doubt, so early in the game, yellow should be the default, because refs also have an obligation to the paying customers not to distort what they paid to watch. I doubt that such an obligation has remotely figured in Kettlés thinking.
We all understand that the referee has to exercise his judgement, and it is not easy to get it right. My point was that if he is in doubt, then a red card in the first 20 minutes should be avoided, because they radically change the nature of the game. Yesterday actually had a good open feel about it until that happened. As for "we must assume" the linesman saw it clearly" then again, we are talking about Kettle here. No such assumption is safe to make. I would bet a fair bit of money that he has more early red cards to his name than most if not all the refs on the list.
Steve Brown, who I think is much more effective in the studio than as co-commentator, was firmly convinced they should have had yellows, and he would have had the chance to see the replays on a decent screen and discuss it with the fellow pros. Although Josh Parker thought Stockley's red was correct. Scotty didnt call it...
I don’t think he had a choice when two players go at it after 17 minutes like that. Otherwise he gets written up when they do it again 10 minutes later.
As for Steve Brown, he’s only seen what you and I have seen and I disagree that former professionals are necessary good at interpreting the laws of the game. Similar to CL, 99% of them would never have read the rule book, or reffed any games.
We can agree that Brown’s better in the studio. I’d love him to take Terry with him too though!
All the best.0 -
If there were replays/zoom ins, the incident will increasingly look worse. The best defence for it being a yellow was that it was "Kettle the ref" or "the linesman gave it". Neither comment analyses the incident.Leuth said:They had a fucking fight on the pitch. Of course they had to be sent off ffs
As I've mentioned, from there onwards, one of them would have been sent off anyway and probably Stockley as he thinks he's Duncan Ferguson at the moment.1 -
Serious question. Can the club write to the EFL and just say we do not want this man put in charge of anymore of our games?0
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And the lead singer of Echo and the BunnymenFortune 82nd Minute said:Serious question. Can the club write to the EFL and just say we do not want this man put in charge of anymore of our games?0 -
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Bloke might as well retire thenFortune 82nd Minute said:Serious question. Can the club write to the EFL and just say we do not want this man put in charge of anymore of our games?
I've posted it a few times, but sometimes wonder if its potentially just us that appear to have an issue with a certain referee
But listening to Burton on Saturday, it seems he's disliked bloody everywhere!!0 -
The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'.
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended.
Make of that what you will.9 -
A team booking - You get your centreback who is a yellow away from a suspension to time waste and miss the next game V the league leaders in a position you are short.
It just shows how badly he reads people/teams/the game.2 -
Yeah, the Famewo booking feels like his most egregious decision. I mean the DJ one too. Idk I didn't see the game. He's a bad referee0
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Especially when we were actually the team on the front at that point and pushing for a second goal.mendonca said:A team booking - You get your centreback who is a yellow away from a suspension to time waste and miss the next game V the league leaders in a position you are short.
It just shows how badly he reads people/teams/the game.
And there we have it. To send 2 players off, for in his own words ‘excessive grappling’, 14 minutes into a game at a corner where it was not effecting the outcome of the state of play is ridiculous.Ollywozere said:The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'.
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended.
Make of that what you will.
As I mentioned previously, a better referee would have taken both the players aside - given them a stern long talking to, and gave them both a yellow card. If he had done this, I doubt we would have been discussing what happened to the extent we are now - because it would have been the correct decision.5 -
For me all referees have to be measured against the great Jarnail Singh. Took absolutely no bullshit from anyone, was decisive and crucially, consistent.
Trevor Kettle is a fucking moron of a referee because he isn't the worst by a long chalk but he cannot help himself making headliner decisions that affect games. Deji and Stockley should have been spoken to, at worst booked. The handbags afterwards makes it look bad. He booked Famewo when it was their bench who threw the ball away yet doesn't book our keeper
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Don't actually hate that team booking idea. Hate to see timewasting, and glad there's a ref who cards for it, just a real shame it was Famewo who got the card.Ollywozere said:The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'.
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended.
Make of that what you will.
Kettle called penalty the dive right so he wasn't all bad on Saturday.1 -
Well I was right behind it and the keeper looked like he changed the direction of the player I.e pen!Croydon said:
Don't actually hate that team booking idea. Hate to see timewasting, and glad there's a ref who cards for it, just a real shame it was Famewo who got the card.Ollywozere said:The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'.
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended.
Make of that what you will.
Kettle called penalty the dive right so he wasn't all bad on Saturday.0 -
You must have been standing near me as I was also right behind it.Valleysarr said:
Well I was right behind it and the keeper looked like he changed the direction of the player I.e pen!Croydon said:
Don't actually hate that team booking idea. Hate to see timewasting, and glad there's a ref who cards for it, just a real shame it was Famewo who got the card.Ollywozere said:The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'.
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended.
Make of that what you will.
Kettle called penalty the dive right so he wasn't all bad on Saturday.
I called dive straight away.
All about opinions I guess.0 -
I would prefer the ref added the correct amount of time on. That would stop it.Croydon said:
Don't actually hate that team booking idea. Hate to see timewasting, and glad there's a ref who cards for it, just a real shame it was Famewo who got the card.Ollywozere said:The referee's explanation was that there were no fists or elbows thrown, but that both men were sent off for 'excessive grappling'.
The Famewo booking for the throw-in was described by him as a 'team booking' (making an example of him, I guess?) which now results in him being suspended.
Make of that what you will.
Kettle called penalty the dive right so he wasn't all bad on Saturday.2 -
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It was a blatant dive which was made even more clear by the lack of remonstration from their forward.0
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The way he dishes cards out.....compared to the Ref who allowed a Rotherham player to escape an obvious yellow to be subbed a minute later.
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But we did criticise the Rotherham ref and rightly so. The thing about Saturday is we are debating the decision. Ultimately if Kettle's assistant said they were fighting, he had to send them off. I still believe that a ref sees that and it is two bookings, but no point us dwelling further. It is what it is and we need to look forwards.mendonca said:The way he dishes cards out.....compared to the Ref who allowed a Rotherham player to escape an obvious yellow to be subbed a minute later.0 -
You can say Kettle is consistent, just that he is consistently shit.4
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A petition that started 2 years ago4Real said:
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Seems he was a bit over keen last time he refereed a Plymouth game.4 -
Did someone jab him with happy pills for the Portsmouth game?Addickted said:
Seems he was a bit over keen last time he refereed a Plymouth game.2 -
Probably the same assessor who gave him a dose at HT on Saturday………..ForeverAddickted said:
Did someone jab him with happy pills for the Portsmouth game?Addickted said:
Seems he was a bit over keen last time he refereed a Plymouth game.
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I am sure they can but wont take any notice as its us....Anyone remember that appalling ref we had a few years ago against Peterborough, who capped his performance off by giving a ridiculous penalty in the last minute. We complained and they gave us him again a few weeks later at home.Fortune 82nd Minute said:Serious question. Can the club write to the EFL and just say we do not want this man put in charge of anymore of our games?0
