2022 January transfer window thread - Non Charlton, other transfers (D Day p52)

Two or three younger players who we can get on longer contracts plus an experienced older head or two.

Was the inside gossip

KiwiValley said:

Henry Irving said:

Two or three younger players who we can get on longer contracts plus an experienced older head or two.

Was the inside gossip

Instead of who?

I’d be gobsmacked if Harry Arter is a Charlton player on February 1st. 

We have a strong starting 11 but With the exception of Leko and Blackett Taylor,  I don’t have a lot of faith in our reserves. There is a serious step down in quality with Davison, Albie, Kirk, Watson etc.  we need depth given JJs high energy style of play

carly burn said:

Arter is serving a purpose.
Gilby/Dobson have certainly upped their games.

Which is 

We only have 1 squad space left don't we, which was created when Schwartz left? You'd expect JFC will take up that space so anyone else coming in (unless U21) would mean someone leaving.

Arter will no doubt be favourite to go. Personally if we sign a striker, i wouldn't be against loaning Davison to league 2 (he takes up a squad space and Burstow doesn't). Also wouldn't be surprised if Kirk is loaned out as well, not even on the bench yesterday and clearly doesn't fit Jackson's preferred system. I'm sure a bottom half northern club would take him, maybe he could even go back to Crewe?

I'd also like us to try and get Morgan a league 2 loan but i can't imagine there will be a long queue of takers.

2 strikers. Tom Lowery from Crewe would be nice too

Can’t see Tucker signing unless Inniss left. Lavelle was signed instead of Tuckerin the summer. Priorities are strikers, a mobile cdm in case Dobson gets injured, a Centre mid/AM incase Lee/Gilbey get injured and maybe if Brum recall Leko then a rwb/rm will be signed. Outs I can see Gunter, Arter, Kirk and maybe Davison.

golfaddick said:

Scoham said:

golfaddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

golfaddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Billy_Mix said:

The absolute priority has to be centre backs
Inniss ain't up to it physically - 2 seasons now same story
Lavelle looked like a slimmer younger Jason Pearce (2021 version) then broke down with serious injury
Pearce is older, slower and now injured
Gunter - last night was just one example
Famewo has improved dramatically in recent weeks but could be recalled
Elerewe and Barker are talented teenagers with little experience

If we are to sustain a promotion push we need to keep the back shorne up and to do that we'll need 2 more capable experienced campaigners at CH, even if we don't carry on playing 3 at the back

We're continuing to score despite all the pant wetting B/S on here about lacking strikers.  
We're probably overladen in midfield and one or two might need to get loaned out or sold to make room in the permitted squad, candidates? Morgan, Watson, Kirk are all off the list of starters, harsh on a couple but needs must.

This is how I see it... I get the approach that we need more Strikers and need to just out score the opposition.

But we've scored eleven goals under Jackson and conceded just three.

Two of which were when we started with just one recognised Centre-Back

Scoring goals isn't the issue

It was last night. 

Erm... We were 2-0 up

If we had proper defensive cover we would have won

If we had scored 3 we would have won. We had enough pressure in the final 3rd to have scored more than 2. 

Meaningless quote. If you attack & score more goals than your opponent then you win the game. If you win all your games then you win the title.

Ergo - Scoring more goals than your opponents will win you the title. Keeping clean sheets is only good if you can score as well. If you cant score then the best you'll do is 0-0. 46 0-0 draws won't win you the title.

Scoring goals is therefore more important than keeping clean sheets. 

Oh for goodness sake golfie. It’s not meaningless. Read it again.

The first part of the Ferguson quote - “Attack wins you games” - is your entire point. Nobody disagrees with that. It’s demonstrably and obviously true. But you’re willfully refusing to think long term.

The second part - “Defence wins you titles” - deals with the more long term point that you can’t score a hatful of goals every game. There will always be dry spells up front due to form, injury, luck or numerous other reasons. Its unavoidable. It’s at these times where a solid defence comes to the fore. Good defences are less likely to have bad spells, these bad spells will be less frequent and won’t last as long because they’re more about organisation, shape and understanding, rather than skill, flair and invention.
Ferguson’s point is all about building solid foundations at the back as a priority to guard against the lean spells. He made this comment, I believe, as a reaction to Keegan’s free scoring Newcastle side of the 90’s who scored goals for fun but also let them in frequently. Great to watch, but lost or drew too many games to scorelines like 4-3, 3-2 or 2-2. That crazy game against Liverpool where, I think, Collymore got the winner and Keegan slumped in his seat in despair is a case in point.
Ferguson was, of course, absolutely correct. Newcastle won loads of games and put many teams to the sword, building a 12 point lead by Christmas, but the lean spells followed and they couldn’t keep the opposition goals out and no matter how much Keegan “would love it”, if Man U got beaten, he should have concentrated on keeping his own defence tighter, then he wouldn’t have needed to hope that some other team did him a favour.

Whether you liked Ferguson or not, he was probably the best football manager of my lifetime. And he was on the money with this.

Striker x2
work horse/water carrier midfielder to replace arter
Winger 


then use bakrin & elerewere as CB cover with innis 

Providing we can cancel Arter's loan, he will surely go back to Forest.

More interesting is what happens to Kirk. I wonder if there will be some phone calls to Crewe to see if they want to take him back on loan to get him in the shop window so we can try to recoup some of his transfer fee. 

Gunter is another interesting one. Not on the subs bench for the last 2 games with Elerewe preferred. JJ sending out a message?

And whilst we are talking about who might go, much more concerning to me is bids from championship clubs for Gilbey, Washington, Stockley and possibly Dobson. If anyone comes calling, I fear they are gone. 

Garrymanilow said:

I've been assuming we'll use our buy-back to sign Sarpong-Wiredu and then cancel Arter's loan, also assuming we're able to do that. That will give us cover for Dobson at CDM as well as a bit of WB cover if we want to go a bit more defensive as games tick on. We need another striker in and assuming Kirk can't fill that CM role we need another there. Other than that though I don't know that the squad needs major surgery in this window. As CB options we have Matthews (who genuinely might be dead, does anyone know what's going on with him?), Gunter, Inniss, Lavelle, Pearce, Clare, Deji 2.0, Famewo. Inniss and Lavelle are due back I'd hope by the end of January and Clare has proven he can consistently perform in that role. There could be a temptation to get a younger defender in on loan who doesn't affect the squad cap but then chucking in kids at CB is a rarity. Mostly we need a third striker to seriously compete with Stockley and Washington, someone you know you can start with or bring on if the game needs to change. Davison is an honest hard worker but I don't trust him to change a game from the bench.

I’d still like a left sided CB, be in trouble if Famewo was unavailable. Someone who can play either middle or on the left of the three would be perfect. Lavelle still out for a while and Inniss crocked constantly. Longer term Lavelle is our only permanent CB option so looking at it now won’t hurt. 

AndyG said:

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

Providing we can cancel Arter's loan, he will surely go back to Forest.

More interesting is what happens to Kirk. I wonder if there will be some phone calls to Crewe to see if they want to take him back on loan to get him in the shop window so we can try to recoup some of his transfer fee. 

Gunter is another interesting one. Not on the subs bench for the last 2 games with Elerewe preferred. JJ sending out a message?

And whilst we are talking about who might go, much more concerning to me is bids from championship clubs for Gilbey, Washington, Stockley and possibly Dobson. If anyone comes calling, I fear they are gone. 

I would be very surprised if any of those moved just yet. There seems to be a spirit in this squad now that they are here on a mission to progress with the club. Stockley on record saying he wants to end his career here. For the 1st time in years I genuinely believe we will only sell players that we want to sell

I hope you're right. 

But if someone says to stockley we'll treble your wage from say £5k a week to £15K a week I wonder if he would still want to end his career with us? 

sammy391 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

sammy391 said:

Striker x2
work horse/water carrier midfielder to replace arter
Winger 


then use bakrin & elerewere as CB cover with innis 

A winger is the last position we need, especially in our current formation

With CBT injured, and Kirk not kicking on - hate having to rely on Leko who is extremely hit and miss!

And DJ, in a formation where we play one of them at wing back.

sammy391 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

sammy391 said:

Striker x2
work horse/water carrier midfielder to replace arter
Winger 


then use bakrin & elerewere as CB cover with innis 

A winger is the last position we need, especially in our current formation

With CBT injured, and Kirk not kicking on - hate having to rely on Leko who is extremely hit and miss!

But we’re not playing with wingers. With DJ and Purrington starting, we’ve got 3 players capable of playing down the wing who already can’t get in the starting XI. Got to remember we’ve got a squad cap, could always be better but got to be realistic too.