Scores of SUVs have tyres deflated by activists
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I would like to restate what I said in my previous post that I think it is wrong for them to do this. I just, as a car lover took the opportunity to criticise SUVs. Which I hate with a passion.2
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Not sure why the particular target being SUV's (lets ignore the fact they also targeted electric one's for a minute).
I'm sure a lot of new SUV's are more compliant/lower polluting than some family hatches for 4-5 years ago.
My old Cayenne did more to the gallon than a lot of 'cars'
Much like the road protests, ill thought out.0 -
Pretty sure if an electric one was targeted it would have been by mistake.Happened to me once, but it was in 1978 and it was my Morris 1000 ex post office van, so have no idea what that was about. They used matchsticks, IIRC. Kids, huh!0
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JamesSeed said:Pretty sure if an electric one was targeted it would have been by mistake.Happened to me once, but it was in 1978 and it was my Morris 1000 ex post office van, so have no idea what that was about. They used matchsticks, IIRC. Kids, huh!2
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An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.11 -
MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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How could they, the heartless bastards.
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Disgrace.Doctors and firefighters’ etc cars vandalised.Really getting the climate message home to MP’s.1
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Struggling to sympathise with people who drive these tanks around cities. Most of these off-road vehicles have never been off-road. More likely to be used for school runs. They are a blight and totally inappropriate given the size of UK city roads.
Some SUVs do less than 25 mpg. That's environmental vandalism.
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Wasn’t it 2M votes for the Greens led to them having one seat in Parliament? You can see why the green movement feels frustrated perhaps.1
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2 million votes should have more represenation in a democracy.3
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This activity is stupid and counter-productive for all the reasons people have laid out above.
Having said that, I find some of the defences of SUVs as a class a bit disingenuous and perhaps more revealing than the writers intended.
I don't think anyone can have a serious problem with one like a Nissan X-trail which is a proper 4WD workhorse,and only likley to be chosen by people who need its functional advantages; and it's also true that more and more SUVs, like other cars are electric. But that won't be enough to assuage the contempt a lot of people have for these cars, and by extension for the people who own them. I'm talking principally about cars like the BMW X6, Audi Q8 and the Merc equivalent. What are they actually for?
Now being abroad I may not be familiar with the typical British answers to that question, but over here a typical one, from female drivers, most of whom I suspect are not the owners, is "I feel safer in them". To which the response is that many other people (in or out of cars) feel less safe around them, and with justification. Feelings of "security" particularly in male drivers quickly translates into feelings of invincibility, in other words driving like a dick.
Going electric is not enough. They take up too much space on the road and particularly in parking spaces. They are the sharp end of a general push to make cars bigger which is causing headaches for urban planners and making it harder to get the right balance buses/cars/bikes/pedestrians.
Much as I have often felt like letting down the tyres, or worse, of individual SUVs, that's no way to behave in a civilised democracy. The way to behave is to tax the fuck out of their owners and use the money raised to introduce more and more traffic calming devices in residential areas which make them more and more of a pain to drive. (sorry @cafcfan !)7 -
wasn't sure whether to comment on this or not but here goes...particularly in relation to size of car.. I have a Discovery Sport. I use it for ferrying bikes around in the boot and ferrying my in-laws and parents around in, all of whom had trouble getting in and out of my previous car as it was too low to the ground for them (Audi a4 estate). This car is more environmentally friendly and takes up less road space than my old Audi...so why not go letting tyres down on Audi's and other estate cars too?
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A BMW X6 is barely any longer than a vauxhall insignia estate or any other long saloon/estate car (we're talking less than 10cm). In fact many so called SUV's will be shorter and similar width.
A G Wagon which seem to be the vehicle of choice as the new 'Chelsea tractor' is actually shorter and thinner than the estate cars quoted.
It's predominantly their height and design that makes them look bigger.1 -
Charlton_Charlie said:wasn't sure whether to comment on this or not but here goes...particularly in relation to size of car.. I have a Discovery Sport. I use it for ferrying bikes around in the boot and ferrying my in-laws and parents around in, all of whom had trouble getting in and out of my previous car as it was too low to the ground for them (Audi a4 estate). This car is more environmentally friendly and takes up less road space than my old Audi...so why not go letting tyres down on Audi's and other estate cars too?1
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PragueAddick said:This activity is stupid and counter-productive for all the reasons people have laid out above.
Having said that, I find some of the defences of SUVs as a class a bit disingenuous and perhaps more revealing than the writers intended.
I don't think anyone can have a serious problem with one like a Nissan X-trail which is a proper 4WD workhorse,and only likley to be chosen by people who need its functional advantages; and it's also true that more and more SUVs, like other cars are electric. But that won't be enough to assuage the contempt a lot of people have for these cars, and by extension for the people who own them. I'm talking principally about cars like the BMW X6, Audi Q8 and the Merc equivalent. What are they actually for?
Now being abroad I may not be familiar with the typical British answers to that question, but over here a typical one, from female drivers, most of whom I suspect are not the owners, is "I feel safer in them". To which the response is that many other people (in or out of cars) feel less safe around them, and with justification. Feelings of "security" particularly in male drivers quickly translates into feelings of invincibility, in other words driving like a dick.
Going electric is not enough. They take up too much space on the road and particularly in parking spaces. They are the sharp end of a general push to make cars bigger which is causing headaches for urban planners and making it harder to get the right balance buses/cars/bikes/pedestrians.
Much as I have often felt like letting down the tyres, or worse, of individual SUVs, that's no way to behave in a civilised democracy. The way to behave is to tax the fuck out of their owners and use the money raised to introduce more and more traffic calming devices in residential areas which make them more and more of a pain to drive. (sorry @cafcfan !)1 -
MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.
1) I have a very large SUV; it is long and wide. Below is a photo of the same model as mine. (Colour of the brake callipers is the only difference) Is it pretty? No, very few cars are. Is it ugly - I don't think so. In any event, I'm mostly on the inside and it's lovely. By way of comparison, can I ask what car you drive?
2) Yes, it only seats five. But that's quite unusual. Most large SUVs can seat 7 or have a variant that does. Large families or people that ferry kids to junior football, etc find that useful. It is true my car is not very economical - it's petrol, not diesel - maybe 30mpg on a long cruise, maybe about 8mpg if I'm hammering it. but I don't care.
3) It is very easy to drive. In certain modes it pretty much drives itself and has panorama cameras and sensors for ease of parking. In fact small cars with less responsive controls, less power, less ability to overtake, more risk of death to the occupants (especially if said small car is an original mini) are much harder to drive safely. It is a common misconception that powerful cars are hard to drive. There are of course some exceptions. A TVR Tuscan S will kill you if you make the slightest mistake in wet weather.
4) My car has air suspension with variable settings. It hunkers low for swift progress on a motorway and also has "normal" and two off-road settings with the additional benefit of hill descent software. In sport mode with the suspension in a "stiff" setting it is certainly fun to drive especially with the pops and bangs from the exhaust overrun. First hand, I can tell you it is fabulous smashing 165mph down a German autobahn, and seeing the BMW drivers getting upset at being overtaken. It also does work entirely well off-road, which is handy for my niece's so-called drive, lol)
5) No more so than tractors or other farm vehicles. I am sorry if you aren't capable of judging the width of your vehicle. Perhaps you need some extra tuition?
6) Yes, they do. many haul trailers, horseboxes, etc. They have lots of useful boot space. They are very comfortable. They handle speed humps so much better than regular vehicles. They are usually 4X4s and are therefore much better/safer in extreme weather conditions.
7) I refer you to the answer given in 1).
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Bournemouth Addick said:Swisdom said:Dickheads
there are loads of reasons people have larger vehicles nowadays and their emissions and fuel consumption are not a great deal Different to some cars.
My wife has had a replacement knee and hip and was also struggling with this too. So it made sense to get a car where the stresses in our joints were considerably less as a result. My mother has a Mocka for the same reasons.
I really don't like the car very much tbh but there's no doubt that it's hugely more comfortable and suitable for our needs and is much, much cleaner than the dirty old diesel estate it replaced.2 -
MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.4 -
You couldn't make some of this up. Class angst, pure and simple.
- In instructions published online, activists were encouraged to “target posh/middle-class areas”.
- Electric cars, as well as petrol and diesel vehicles, were targeted, as the group said these were still “polluting, dangerous and cause congestion”.
- The group vowed to carry on targeting SUVs until they were banned or “taxed out of existence” as they said air pollution was “racist” and SUV drivers “tend to be richer, and therefore tend to be white”.
Amongst those affected:-
- Kate Basker, 33, from Bristol, who runs a digital marketing agency with her husband, said finding her tyres let down had made her worry about missing crucial hospital appointments. She is pregnant and also has multiple sclerosis.
- William Lowe, 42, who runs gin business Cambridge Distillery, found a flat tyre on his electric Land Rover. He and his wife use the four-wheel-drive for farm visits twice a week, and he said they “very carefully” chose it for its low emissions.
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These people aren't bothered about the vehicle being low emissions. They are just anti vehicle loons.0
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O-Randy-Hunt said:These people aren't bothered about the vehicle being low emissions. They are just c***s
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Jints said:seth plum said:Jints said:seth plum said:I suppose types of direct action increases when the social contract amongst people is diminished, or destroyed.
The cohesion of British society has been steadily deteriorating since around 1979 and the great lurch forward was cemented in in 2016 and 2019.
I feel those in power will become increasingly draconian in order to shape things to their ends.
Hopefully they won’t manage it long term because as Orwell said ‘no bomb that ever burst can shatter the crystal spirit’.
In the meantime we are condemned to suffer the pain of division.
I suppose in a divided society there is little to lose by doubling down and becoming entrenched.
Speaking personally, judging by what some fellow Addicks post on here, there are people and attitudes out there that I could never ever reconcile to.
Direct action is something that manifests division and it may be all there is left to do in the eyes of an increasing number of people.
I suppose I might (mistakenly?) see those times as more about majority verses minority rather than the type of divided society we have now.
What do you think might restore cohesion in the future?
I do agree with you that the institutionalised division imposed on society because of gender was an especially low point.
I can’t see the beginning of a pathway to social cohesion at the moment that would lead to the upswing you seem to be suggesting.
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Bournemouth Addick said:Swisdom said:Dickheads
there are loads of reasons people have larger vehicles nowadays and their emissions and fuel consumption are not a great deal Different to some cars.
My wife has had a replacement knee and hip and was also struggling with this too. So it made sense to get a car where the stresses in our joints were considerably less as a result. My mother has a Mocka for the same reasons.
I really don't like the car very much tbh but there's no doubt that it's hugely more comfortable and suitable for our needs and is much, much cleaner than the dirty old diesel estate it replaced.
What are these other reasons?
I don't think you can argue that it's for the number of passengers as there are many non SUV large family cars. We are a family of five but don't have an SUV. Apart from pollution they are more lethal should you ever hit a pedestrian or cyclist.1 -
Stig said:MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.0 -
cafcfan said:Stig said:MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.7 -
cafcfan said:Stig said:MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.6 -
Nutters, I agree.0
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Vincenzo said:cafcfan said:Stig said:MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.
If anyone is having this problem you should probably get yourself off the road, get your eyes tested and probably book yourself in for some eye surgery.0 -
SporadicAddick said:cafcfan said:Stig said:MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.3 -
cafcfan said:Vincenzo said:cafcfan said:Stig said:MuttleyCAFC said:An electric one might be targeted for its cat so you can't win.
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Here are my top 7 reasons why I would never buy an SUV.
1) They are ugly. I suppose we all have different tastes in women/men so beauty is in the eye of the beholder but they are ugly all the same.
2) Most SUVs seat 5 as do most normal cars. So what is the point of the size which does use more resources to produce and whilst there are exceptions, are generally less economical.
3) They are harder to drive. Now a good driver won't have any trouble driving them, but not all drivers are good drivers. My neighbour reversed parked and dented my car in her SUV. She lives on her own and ought to be driving something like a Fiat 500 which is a lot easier to drive.
4) Linked to 3, the centre of gravity is too high. It makes sense for an off roader but these cars can't be driven off road so it is just stupid. It makes them less fun to drive than a car in varying conditions.
5) They are a nuisance on country roads where they take up too much space.
6) They don't have any practical use above a normal car.
And Finally 7) Did I say they were ugly? Even if I did, they are so ugly that it is worth another mention!
But if I had an ugly wife, which I don't, it wouldn't be ok for people to slap her so it isn't ok to let down tyres.
If anyone is having this problem you should probably get yourself off the road, get your eyes tested and probably book yourself in for some eye surgery.
https://media.rac.co.uk/pressreleases/blinded-by-the-lights-nearly-one-in-four-drivers-think-most-car-headlights-are-too-bright-3166996
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