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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic v Gillingham | Tuesday 15 March 2022
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The result all important and guarantees us safety imo
my Charlton XG says utter fucking shit still
So much guff out there , gonna need to perform a miracle for a promotion push next year .
not one player gives me a buzz when they get the ball .
CBT must like playing against the Gills that’s twice he’s put in decent performances against them , just needs to find a higher end product more regularly
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It really was a great tackle. Innis-esq. The chance came from a woeful Dobson ball straight to their player in the middle of the park ga Ving them a break away and we must cut out that sort of nonsense.Dizzle said:I know it got flagged offside in the end but Clare’s last ditch recovery tackle was superb 👏🏼 Got a stand and a clap from me and I rarely do that for defensive play2 -
Thought CBT was excellent. He's unstoppable with that push-and-run on the outside and he can cut inside as well. If he could be a bit more consistent in getting the ball and creating problems then he'd be a real threat, but is he another one who is injury prone?
Gilbey had his fifth good game for us. He needs to do it a lot more, I'm still so disappointed with him. Like Ipswich I'm hoping he'll kick on now but we will see. He's had a few seasons to kick on.
Washington is a machine - still sprinting about in the 92nd minute when he's been out for ages. We have really missed the way he stretches teams. If he'd stayed fit this season I think he'd have scored a decent amount (and missed a decent amount).
The game made me feel a lot better. Having lost to Crewe (by far the worst team in the division) and Shrewsbury, I feared the worst for us, but with the points we've got on the board now, it would take a total capitulation for us to go down.5 -
any explanation for the enormous number of police around the Valley yesterday? I know its one of the 2 most "local" derbys we have in the fixture list, but it seemed excessive.
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Police being police for what they deem a risk game.KingKinsella said:any explanation for the enormous number of police around the Valley yesterday? I know its one of the 2 most "local" derbys we have in the fixture list, but it seemed excessive.
Are Gills known for trouble on their travels?
They closed off two streets for us when we were down at their place at the start of the season.0 -
They were quite vocal coming out of the station around 6.30 "f**k of Charlton etc" and "Charlton get battered everywhere they go".KingKinsella said:any explanation for the enormous number of police around the Valley yesterday? I know its one of the 2 most "local" derbys we have in the fixture list, but it seemed excessive.
Are Gills known for trouble on their travels?
Was quite funny watching. Like a little day out for some little kids from a little world.1 -
Apparently they turned up to the Royal Oak at midday and that caused tension throughout the day. Various yoof groups coming up from that hole. Led to police calling in extra numbersKingKinsella said:any explanation for the enormous number of police around the Valley yesterday? I know its one of the 2 most "local" derbys we have in the fixture list, but it seemed excessive.
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We should not kid ourselves. Gillingham were made of straw and we huffed and puffed enough to blow their house down.
But we’re barely made of sticks, and plenty of others in this division are built of bricks, and blow us down without much effort.
Get safe and play youngsters if there are any games left.6 -
I think its fair to say that J J may have the nucleus of our best 11,at last, out of a very average bunch. If it is prudent practice, not to change a winning team .we can expect the same 11 (Or similar) to start next Saturday---- Because we can establish that the partnership of Stockley & Washington are back at last, It augers well that Chucks Anakie, can also slot in there somewhere ,too, when fit. Even if as an impact player off the bench--- C B T was great, We just need a similar effect ,from the other wing--- Glad to see MacG come out for the easier balls .I felt a bit sorry for the Gills keeper spilling, but it looked like the ball bobbled a bit, But driven hard, it can be a nightmare for a keeper ,at times0
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Sounds like Lee had an absolute stinker when he came on. All but completes his loan spell for us. Shame how things tapered off. I really thought he would be a huge coup for years to come.9
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A lot of people like to make the Elliott Lee/Jonny Williams comparison, but I’ve not seen anything to suggest he’s anywhere near as good as Williams.21
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At least Williams regularly won us free kicks.
I know we’re stuck with him long term, but last night I thought Fraser lacked bottle when it came to physical challenges.1 -
He was dreadful - as @JamesSeed said earlier in this thread - he had the ball sort of edge of their box on left hand side - CBT was to his left, unmarked, and had space to run into - CBT spent the whole game having their right back (and his replacement) on toast - a simple side pass would have set CBT away, and a low cross into their area would (hopefully) have caused havoc - but Lee attempts a ‘Hollywood’ chip to Washington, who had his back to goal and a great big centre back breathing down his neck - the result was that they cleared, and Gills break forwardmendonca said:Sounds like Lee had an absolute stinker when he came on. All but completes his loan spell for us. Shame how things tapered off. I really thought he would be a huge coup for years to come.
Lee spent the match watching CBT roast their defence - the Gills defence shat themselves whenever he was on the ball
If it’s obvious to me (and others) what the right pass was, how is it not obvious to a professional footballer5 -
Thought he did well to get stuck in a handful of occasions.seth plum said:At least Williams regularly won us free kicks.
I know we’re stuck with him long term, but last night I thought Fraser lacked bottle when it came to physical challenges.
Seem to remember reading when we signed Fraser, we had to be conscious that he wasnt going to be a very physical Midfielder and he almost needed someone to protect him... Think the guy from the Not the Top 20 podcast was saying that its potentially the reason, why he hasn't already gone to a Championship club.1 -
I don't think that we should be expecting him to be a tough scrappy type of midfielder honestly. His value is much more in what he can offer on the ball and keeping possession rather than being a Dobson style fighter.seth plum said:At least Williams regularly won us free kicks.
I know we’re stuck with him long term, but last night I thought Fraser lacked bottle when it came to physical challenges.4 -
What you describe is totally accurate from my memory and disappointing, but he did tussle by the corner flag running down injury time for what seemed like 60-90secs of 6 mins added time. Lets be fair, he tried but made some (one?) poor choice(s). We did seem to lose control bit when he was introduced.Lordflashheart said:
He was dreadful - as @JamesSeed said earlier in this thread - he had the ball sort of edge of their box on left hand side - CBT was to his left, unmarked, and had space to run into - CBT spent the whole game having their right back (and his replacement) on toast - a simple side pass would have set CBT away, and a low cross into their area would (hopefully) have caused havoc - but Lee attempts a ‘Hollywood’ chip to Washington, who had his back to goal and a great big centre back breathing down his neck - the result was that they cleared, and Gills break forwardmendonca said:Sounds like Lee had an absolute stinker when he came on. All but completes his loan spell for us. Shame how things tapered off. I really thought he would be a huge coup for years to come.
Lee spent the match watching CBT roast their defence - the Gills defence shat themselves whenever he was on the ball
If it’s obvious to me (and others) what the right pass was, how is it not obvious to a professional footballer1 -
Nicked this from Vital Gillingham
Two keys to the game:
Blacket-Taylor too hot to handle,
Dahlberg not able to handle
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That was a very important win that we desperately needed. I don't think we played great, but Gillingham were very poor. Pleased that we didn't see Leko (other than warming up), but disappointed that Matthews was playing - thought he was very poor. Not sure what has happened to Lee - he is really struggling (he was very poor yesterday). Our whole team performance noticeably dropped when he replaced Fraser. There were still too many players playing out of position for my liking, but because Gillingham were so poor, we got away with it. The CBT/Purrington partnership on the left looked much, much better than the Matthews/Clare partnership on the right. For me, DJ is a better option than Matthews.2
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I must be in the minority but I like Lee. At least he tries things & will run with the ball. Be careful what you wish for because if he's not here next season then Nile John might be.mendonca said:Sounds like Lee had an absolute stinker when he came on. All but completes his loan spell for us. Shame how things tapered off. I really thought he would be a huge coup for years to come.4 -
Which is why I've found it baffling in previous games when we've played Fraser alongside Lee in midfield, leaving Dobson a massive defensive burden behind them. Completely the wrong balance in midfield.ForeverAddickted said:
Thought he did well to get stuck in a handful of occasions.seth plum said:At least Williams regularly won us free kicks.
I know we’re stuck with him long term, but last night I thought Fraser lacked bottle when it came to physical challenges.
Seem to remember reading when we signed Fraser, we had to be conscious that he wasnt going to be a very physical Midfielder and he almost needed someone to protect him... Think the guy from the Not the Top 20 podcast was saying that its potentially the reason, why he hasn't already gone to a Championship club.
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And last night was never going to be a game where Fraser would be spraying passes around etc - Gills came for the draw, and were there to play horrible negative football, and to snuff out any creativity they could - if Williams had been playing, I think it likely he would have got injured with some of the Gills tackling - that’s why having CBT to run at them and take them on, rather than trying to pass it through them, was vital for us (not that we have been particularly adept of late in terms of a passing game through midfield - hopefully Fraser is the answer to that)thenewbie said:
I don't think that we should be expecting him to be a tough scrappy type of midfielder honestly. His value is much more in what he can offer on the ball and keeping possession rather than being a Dobson style fighter.seth plum said:At least Williams regularly won us free kicks.
I know we’re stuck with him long term, but last night I thought Fraser lacked bottle when it came to physical challenges.0 -
Clearly Lee is playing with no confidence. The Hollywood pass was criminal, it set the tone for rest of the performance as the crowd were straight on his back after that pass.KingKinsella said:
What you describe is totally accurate from my memory and disappointing, but he did tussle by the corner flag running down injury time for what seemed like 60-90secs of 6 mins added time. Lets be fair, he tried but made some (one?) poor choice(s). We did seem to lose control bit when he was introduced.Lordflashheart said:
He was dreadful - as @JamesSeed said earlier in this thread - he had the ball sort of edge of their box on left hand side - CBT was to his left, unmarked, and had space to run into - CBT spent the whole game having their right back (and his replacement) on toast - a simple side pass would have set CBT away, and a low cross into their area would (hopefully) have caused havoc - but Lee attempts a ‘Hollywood’ chip to Washington, who had his back to goal and a great big centre back breathing down his neck - the result was that they cleared, and Gills break forwardmendonca said:Sounds like Lee had an absolute stinker when he came on. All but completes his loan spell for us. Shame how things tapered off. I really thought he would be a huge coup for years to come.
Lee spent the match watching CBT roast their defence - the Gills defence shat themselves whenever he was on the ball
If it’s obvious to me (and others) what the right pass was, how is it not obvious to a professional footballer
Even though Fraser isn’t fully fit he’s a huge upgrade on Lee. Especially with how quickly he gets the ball out of feet and puts crosses in. Unlike Lee who really slows the game down.3 -
If this was 'much better', it just goes to show how low we had sunk. IMO Gills were poor, and deserved to lose...but we barely deserved to win. First half we shaded it but 2nd half a better team would have punished us, &/or luck might have deserted us.
Sure, there were some encouraging signs - I think Fraser is settling in, Lavelle had his best game for us, CBT, Dobbo. But we lacked guile against an organised side, scored a goal I would be scathing if we'd conceded and just don't have the necessary touch & quality.1 -
Posting without reading .. watched the match online as I couldn’t get to the game. Thought we were worth the win, I don’t know what Neil Harris was babbling on about - thought they deserved a point 😳. We won and defended well but we didn’t create too much and looked a little shaky for the last 10mins. What concerns me is, if we concede, have we got enough in the locker to bounce back. I don’t think we have and that’s what needs to be addressed. we don’t create enough clear cut chances. Burton up next … only 9 more matches and I can relax0
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I think that this has been a fundamental problem over lots of the season - not necessarily the individual players (though they've not all covered themselves in glory) but a really good midfield is frequently better than the sum of its parts. Ours is not.killerandflash said:
Which is why I've found it baffling in previous games when we've played Fraser alongside Lee in midfield, leaving Dobson a massive defensive burden behind them. Completely the wrong balance in midfield.ForeverAddickted said:
Thought he did well to get stuck in a handful of occasions.seth plum said:At least Williams regularly won us free kicks.
I know we’re stuck with him long term, but last night I thought Fraser lacked bottle when it came to physical challenges.
Seem to remember reading when we signed Fraser, we had to be conscious that he wasnt going to be a very physical Midfielder and he almost needed someone to protect him... Think the guy from the Not the Top 20 podcast was saying that its potentially the reason, why he hasn't already gone to a Championship club.
In Dobson and Fraser I think we have the basis of a solid midfield to build a team around but its not looking like Morgan, Gilbey and Lee are the spark that elevates it. Maybe a fit again JFC would be a good addition but in either case given his fitness woes the Black Box needs to earn its corn pronto over summer.0 -
I was there was you ?Elthamaddick said:
You genuinely can’t have watched itRonnieMoore said:Fully deserved scoreline flattered Gillingham who were never really in the game .. CBT was excellent Laville was a man mountain at the back … Fraser had his best game … well
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There was a bit of argy bargy up Floyd road and at the station on the Dartford line side. The gates to the platform were closed and appeared to be some fisticuffs. The police were in quickly to grab a few people and no doubt it was a late night for some.Lordflashheart said:Tonight was never going to be an exhibition of the beautiful game - we were always going to have to grind it out - well done to the players for doing that
Stand outs - CBT, Dobson, Gilbey and Fraser
Why Fraser - well it was not a game he was going to be able to display his skills to full effect, but he hung in there and put a shift in - it was noticeable that when Lee replaced him, our midfield melted and we lost control
Lee was dreadful - I think his first 5 or 6 ‘passes’ he gave the ball away, although he did well at the end to help count the time down
No idea what the trouble in the away end was all about, it was getting quite tasty though
I went by car - be interested to hear what it was like at Charlton station and on the train post match ?
The game itself was terrible two poor sides, hopefully though that 3 points means any relegation fears can be forgotten.
it’s going to have to be a very busy summer if we are going to be aiming for play offs let alone automatic promotion we aren’t good enough.1 -
Agree Newbie. Lavelle marshalled the backline and was barking orders all night. Oliver was strong in the air but never looked like scoring.thenewbie said:
Bit harsh to hold that against him, Oliver has been an absolute monster for most CBs at much better teams/sides than ours to handle.Elthamaddick said:Pretty poor game, but Washington, Stockley and CBT were the difference
Lavelle literally didn’t win a single header against their No 19 all night, I’m not having anyone say he looked solid!!!…time and time again he was beaten in the air0 -
I don't think you're in the minority for liking Lee. But you might be in the minority if don't think he's struggled to contribute much since Norwich onwards (I'd say).golfaddick said:
I must be in the minority but I like Lee. At least he tries things & will run with the ball. Be careful what you wish for because if he's not here next season then Nile John might be.mendonca said:Sounds like Lee had an absolute stinker when he came on. All but completes his loan spell for us. Shame how things tapered off. I really thought he would be a huge coup for years to come.
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If Gillingham had played all game like they did for the last 20, I'm sure Oliver would have had chances.Cardinal Sin said:
Agree Newbie. Lavelle marshalled the backline and was barking orders all night. Oliver was strong in the air but never looked like scoring.thenewbie said:
Bit harsh to hold that against him, Oliver has been an absolute monster for most CBs at much better teams/sides than ours to handle.Elthamaddick said:Pretty poor game, but Washington, Stockley and CBT were the difference
Lavelle literally didn’t win a single header against their No 19 all night, I’m not having anyone say he looked solid!!!…time and time again he was beaten in the air
Lavelle is indeed very vocal, but then he was really loud at Accrington and we were rubbish at the back then.0
