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Washington: Judge me on goal return under Jacko
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Garrymanilow said:Sillybilly said:Ok mate. Will do. You’ve been bang average! A good honest trier but conversion rate is poor.
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Cafc43v3r said:MuttleyCAFC said:When we play teams that try to press high, he is particularly useful as he is somebody who can get behind them. He is IMO less effective against teams that play deeper, but he is worth a place in the squad as he is decent for the level and provides options.
You want to play a high line against Stockley and a deeper one against Washington.
Not just from the occasional Stockley flick-ons or hasty hoofed balls from MacGillivray.
We need better link-up from midfield.
Maybe Fraser will provide it going forward.2 -
We already need that alusive key goal scoring forward (small nippy poacher type TM: Golfie), why put ourselves in the position of then needing to replace the 3rd choice when hes already here and keen to stay on.
If we let what should be our first choice backup 11 goal forward walk away without a fight, then that'll say more about our summe plans to me personally.
I doubt we'll find 30 goals in the summer plus the other 5 (minimum) starters that we need, at least not cheaply (plus you know, recruitment is questionable)3 -
Don’t think Gary Lineker’s conversion rate was that good. Scored plenty and missed plenty.1
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I'm going to nail my colours to the mast: I'm a big Conor Washington fan and I'd love him to stay.
These days there are plenty of categories of statistics that people like to use to either back their case or demolish someone else's.
"Only 2 assists for Washington this season"
Officially, as far as the stats are concerned where it's only recorded who laid on the final pass for the goal.
Who chases down a hopeful upfield clearance and either wins the ball or puts the defender under pressure that causes a turnover of possession, that ultimately leads to a goal? Conor doesn't get a "stat" for that but without him the goal doesn't get scored.
"We can do much better than him"
Blimey, we're in Division Three for goodness' sake! With a less-than-impressive midfield. And an accident-prone defence.
We could have two or three of the finest strikers in the land but if the eight or nine blokes behind them are dropping their bundle week-in, week-out your front guys hint got a hope in hell of leading us to promotion.
Do I think Washy is going to be a 25/30-goal-a-year striker for us? Probably not.
Do I think we are a better side with him in the team? Yep. Even if he isn't starting matches I'd want him on the bench as an impact player in the second half, to chase down lost causes, stretch defences, and do the running that others can't/won't do.15 -
People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.2 -
Cafc43v3r said:MuttleyCAFC said:When we play teams that try to press high, he is particularly useful as he is somebody who can get behind them. He is IMO less effective against teams that play deeper, but he is worth a place in the squad as he is decent for the level and provides options.
You want to play a high line against Stockley and a deeper one against Washington.
Agree.
Washington goal when he chipped the keeper from Mac's quick kick out showed what Conor can do when he gets past the last defender when a team play a high line.
Earlier in the season and even now Defenders seem to read Washington and block his shots when they are playing deep.
This is mainly because the opposition analysts know he will always try to get on to his right foot. The exception was the away cup tie at Gateshead when he crossed the ball with his left foot and Stockley buried the header.
Depending on his wage demands he should be offered a new contract. Unless we bring in better and goal scorer cost money or else we take a chance on a young player in our academy or emulate Peterborough who over decades found strikers from the lower League to score a hatful of goals in League 1.0 -
SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
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The consensus is Conor is worthy of being one of the 5 strikers along with Stockley, Aneke( he plays more minutes we score more goals) Kanu if we can ban scouts!) and AN other who is the fast strong 22 or 23 year old who has been a success in the National League and League 2 and is ready to step up to prove he is the next
Vardy, Holt or Lambert (in your Dreams Sam)
One of the 5 to play in a two up front depending on form, fitness and the opposition. High line or 11 men behind t
he ball ect. For Conor, better as most of us agree, when there is space to run in behind.
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I have supported CAFC for 35+ years and seen some amazing strikers for us over that time, Mendonca, Bent, Euell, Kermogant, Di Canio (briefly in flashes) etc and some right old dross, Church, Abbott, Parzyszek to hame but a tiny few. Now Washington is not Clive Mendonca but he is a country Mike ahead of some of the shit I have had to watch over those 35+ years in both effort and return. I think he is a good option to have from 4-5 striker options and don’t want to box him in at 3-4 or 5. Let the strikers’ form dictate who gets their place… KEEP and 2 years for me.17
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Yes, when we say squad player it should mean, as you say, let their form dictate if they start.5
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I sometimes look at a forward and think whatever else is he a pain in the arse for defenders, does he need watching all the time or does he drift out of games?
I think Washington occupies plenty of attention from defenders, is not one of those louche style forwards who are there but only get noticed when they deign to wake up and score a goal with one excellent moment.
Whatever Washington does get he generally earns, not much is put on a plate for him.
In our position I think keeping hold of him is a no brainer.7 -
PPG in games Washington has started: 44/27 = 1.62ppg = 75pts in a season
PPG in games Washington did not start: 12/17 = 0.71ppg = 32pts in a season
He's a good player at this level and deserves a squad place in a team chasing promotion. This current, awful squad would be in a world of pain without him.8 -
SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.4 -
Weegie Addick said:Don’t think Gary Lineker’s conversion rate was that good. Scored plenty and missed plenty.
Washington’s 1 in 2 strike right is excellent, and the fact that he gets in the right place so often should be applauded. Inevitably, he will miss some of those chances.
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sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.1 -
I like Washington and he is a goal scorer, but compared to Yann and Taylor he does lack that ability to do something special.2
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Absolute no brainer to stay IMHO. A hard worker, in the guise of Johnny Robinson, but of course not at that level. We are mid table league one, other London clubs are miles ahead of us so we have no pulling power for talent. Suspect those who want him out also thought Sean Dyche may come to us now he's free. Dose of realism needed, Washington at this level is a good player.1
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I genuinely do not know what dimension some people are living in if they want rid of Washington. If we can add another good striker to the squad I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of teams in League 1 next year would be envious of having Stockley, Washington, Aneke plus 1 more.
Whether we use them in the right way and we have enough quality from midfield and the wings supplying them is another matter entirely. It's a credit to Stockley and Washington they've scored as many as they have this year given the supporting cast behind them.4 -
SELR_addicks said:sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.2 - Sponsored links:
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Scoham said:SELR_addicks said:sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.
He has been a first choice player, perhaps he wants first-team wages hampering our chances of signing a first-team regular capable of creating and scoring goals.
He is also 29, looking for his final payday and couple of years contract you would imagine.0 -
Agree that has to be considered. If he wants an unrealistic increase then we probably will let him go. I can’t see him attracting Championship interest though or the big spenders in this league, would expect them to go for younger longer term signings.0
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SELR_addicks said:sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.
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SELR_addicks said:sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.1 -
Garrymanilow said:SELR_addicks said:sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.0 -
SELR_addicks said:Garrymanilow said:SELR_addicks said:sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.
You claim our budget means we can sign anyone we like in League 1, and I argue that's anything but the truth. TS is running is club on a tight budget. Our "size" means nothing, how are we any bigger than half the clubs in League 1? Because we have a stadium we struggle to even half fill? Because we were in the Premier League 15 years ago? We've been in League 1 for the past decade more than any other league, so pray tell how that makes us bigger and more attractive than Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth, hell even someone like Doncaster, not to mention the teams coming down next season like Derby and Barnsley.
We are a mediocre League 1 club with a modestly big budget and the added weight of pressure from fans thinking we're still some Billy Big Bollocks club at this level, and it's simply not true.
Washington isn't the best striker in this league, but he's good enough to be a part of a squad looking to get promoted, and we won't find a better player to be that 3rd/4th choice striker, guaranteed4 -
Washington saying I want a contract extension, I hope he gets one, if played in the right formation 15 goals next season, Stockley 20+ a few decent additions chipping in with another 10 could be a good season.0
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sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:Garrymanilow said:SELR_addicks said:sam3110 said:SELR_addicks said:People settling for mediocrity again.
If you really want us to be lining up with Stockley and Washington starting up front next season, you aren't going to see us get promoted.
Squad player Washington? Sure, but he should not be starting for a top 6 side.
Washington fails the eye test. People can point to stats all they want but no one can deny the several simple chances Washington misses over the course of games. He's someone that can't be trusted to be clinical and the lack of assists between him and Stockley implies they don't really link well together either.
Isn't that what our scouting department is for?
Thinking we can't do any better than Washington is basically setting a new low with ambition.
You claim our budget means we can sign anyone we like in League 1, and I argue that's anything but the truth. TS is running is club on a tight budget. Our "size" means nothing, how are we any bigger than half the clubs in League 1? Because we have a stadium we struggle to even half fill? Because we were in the Premier League 15 years ago? We've been in League 1 for the past decade more than any other league, so pray tell how that makes us bigger and more attractive than Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, Ipswich, Wigan, Portsmouth, hell even someone like Doncaster, not to mention the teams coming down next season like Derby and Barnsley.
We are a mediocre League 1 club with a modestly big budget and the added weight of pressure from fans thinking we're still some Billy Big Bollocks club at this level, and it's simply not true.
Washington isn't the best striker in this league, but he's good enough to be a part of a squad looking to get promoted, and we won't find a better player to be that 3rd/4th choice striker, guaranteed
We are in the top 6 for budget this season and will continue to be so for every season beyond this one.
We are not on a 'tight' budget at all. We have just made mistakes in the transfer window last season.0 -
Washington isn't that 'Fox in the Box' style of player that some people think would guarantee us promotion.
It's no good expecting him to be either - that's just not his game.
Washington is a very good 'team player', a player that makes the rest of the team unit tick.
He defends from the front, pressures defenders into mistakes, creates space for himself and team mates with awareness and intelligent running.
Whenever we score from free play, invariably Conor has played a key role, either on or off the ball.
Maybe he should convert more of his chances, he'd be the first to admit that. But then, if he was that prolific he wouldn't be playing for a League One side, would he?
We know what we're getting with Conor. Could we sign better? Maybe, at a price - but without any guarantees that they could be more effective than Washington.
Remember, Washington has the all round game that many strikers at this level don't have.
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Oggy Red said:Washington isn't that 'Fox in the Box' style of player ...
And again.
And again.
And unlike the number nine who throws his arms out wide and moans his arse off that the ball hasn't been played precisely to the inch of space that he was demanding, Conor will do the running all day without complaint.
In my day we used to call him a "team player". Maybe we should have more of them.2