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CAST survey results - Confidence in Thomas Sandgaard declines
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It didn't this time though did it? Who knows what might have happened.Lordflashheart said:Croydon said:
Less than 5 ccomments in. FuckLordflashheart said:Well, I guess the alternative is a great thing for some - no Charlton Athletic at all - because ‘shit for brains’ that is what was stampeding over the hill
Over and outHonestly - some of you need to get in a Delorean and go back to to 1980’s when Charlton really nearly did disappear forever ……..
You can not say, with 100% certainty, we would not exist without Sandgaard. Because you don't know its true. We might not but its not a fact.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be grateful for the money he is gifting us. It also doesn't mean he is beyond criticism for somethings. Not everything but somethings.13 -
There's not a causal link between the lack of interest in the women's team and the decline in confidence in Sandgaard, but there is a link in the sense that they are both issues that have been demonstrated in the results of this CAST survey. I've modified the title to make it clear that this thread is discussing the results of the CAST survey in its entirety, not just the decline in confidence in Sandgaard.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I see very little connection between only 4% of trust members having a keen interest in the women's team and a "declining confidence in Sangaard"JohnnyH2 said:
The trust ask a handful of questions and this was the biggest negative they got. How is that obscure in the context of what the thread is about?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Ah... I was referring to the Women's team being 2nd tier, which makes it appropriate for them to be pro, as far as I can tellJohnnyH2 said:
We are 3rd tierSiv_in_Norfolk said:
Don't we play in the second tier? (Championship)JohnnyH2 said:The most obvious result in the survey (but will ignored by many) is the 4% who show a genuine interest in the womans team. We are a 3rd division club and yet we have gone full time with a womans team who get average gates in the low hundreds. The only a game at The Valley with a lot of advertising and get a gate of 700.
We should have a womans team but its bonkers we have a full time one.
Will the trust be talking to the club about this?
Are you OK with them being pro if so?
I now get your point about a men's third tier team supporting the cost of a 2nd tier Women's team...
I see it as a smart investment in a fast growing area of sport which will attract more fans for Charlton Athletic in general...
It seems like an obscure thing to be focusing on in the context of all that is going on to me. Is this something you have been focusing on a lot? Do you get much support with it?
Out of interest, how much does the Women's team cost Sangaard?
It's no real surprise that not many supporters of the men's team are interested in the women's and I don't see that lack of interest as a reason for the support to be discontinued or for there to be any negative perception of the owner for providing it. As I say, it seems like like smart investment to me.
And...yeah... this still feels like an obscure line to take in the context of the subject title...
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Great postMrLargo said:I still think that, in terms of intent and ambition (and having the financial means to support it), he is a great owner for us. He's not here to try and turn The Valley into a block of flats, and he's not got Roland's weird ideas about winning not really being that important.
The execution has been so ham-fisted though. Off the pitch, all the "Fill The Valley" stuff is clearly done with good intentions but it turned into a farce. On the pitch, recruitment has been dreadful, and three consecutive managers have struggled (to differing extents) with a set of players that are nowhere near good enough to challenge for promotion. It seems like he may have been hooked up with the wrong "football people" at the start, and, after paying for their mistakes (such as the appointment of Adkins), he got fed-up listening to so-called experts and decided to sort it out himself, which he clearly doesn't have the expertise to do.
I really feel like all our problems would be solved if he just phoned up Peter Varney and asked for a half-hour assessment of how to run a football club and who he should employ.
Very pleased with the work undertaken to develop the academy. Very unimpressed with the poorly-handled and disrespectful sacking of Jacko, and the bizarre Charlton Women/Ladies thing.
I have the utmost gratitude for him stepping in during the sea of shit that emerged off the back of ESI coming in after Roland, but there are major warning signs and as Largo says, the intent and ambition is great if it’s matched with a level of competence. Imo he’s got this season to get it right or he’ll face a backlash from the fans.
It doesn’t even have to be Varney, just a realisation/acceptance that this isn’t a playground for his extravert personality and that all he’s achieved in the medical supply world counts for nothing in the warped world of league 1 football
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Moneyball or whatever process Martin Sangaard prescribes to, didn’t exist in Curbishley’s day, it was good old fashioned scouting, homework and an understanding of what this club’s history is about. Of course things have moved on since then, but don’t kid yourselves we’re an elite outfit that can take principles that are alien to us backed up by the charisma of an owner and all of a sudden we’re hitting the Prem in 5 years - no way
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As soon as there's any criticism of Sandgaard there's someone like you running in screaming 'B..B..BUT HE SAVED OUR CLUB'Lordflashheart said:
Fuck sake what ????Croydon said:
Less than 5 ccomments in. Fuck sakeLordflashheart said:Well, I guess the alternative is a great thing for some - no Charlton Athletic at all - because ‘shit for brains’ that is what was stampeding over the hill
Over and outNo TS - no CAFC - it’s not a difficult connection to make - we didn’t even know what the EFL had imposed on CAFC in that infamous transfer window when that wanker Southall tried to convince us he was out there trying to sign players - but Chelsea knew - and they quickly pulled one of our best 2 players (the other being Cullen) out of our club - if he had stayed, we would have stayed up - more important than Taylor IMO
But some CAFC fans on this forum are already getting on the back of an owner who has complete credibility and SAVED our club
Honestly - some of you need to get in a Delorean and go back to to 1980’s when Charlton really nearly did disappear forever ……..
I'm grateful he came in when he did, but he isn't exempt from criticism. The fact you think he is isn't healthy.16 -
You still don’t get it. Over and out.Lordflashheart said:
Playground insults !!!Uboat said:
Declining confidence isn’t the same as saying we don’t want him and aren’t grateful for what he did, so maybe hold fire with the playground insults.Lordflashheart said:Well, I guess the alternative is a great thing for some - no Charlton Athletic at all - because ‘shit for brains’ that is what was stampeding over the hill
Over and outIt was reality - we were going down the pan - bust - gone - end of
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Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.15 -
Ha! Well that certainly changes things and makes the comment no longer obscure in the context of the titlealiwibble said:
There's not a causal link between the lack of interest in the women's team and the decline in confidence in Sandgaard, but there is a link in the sense that they are both issues that have been demonstrated in the results of this CAST survey. I've modified the title to make it clear that this thread is discussing the results of the CAST survey in its entirety, not just the decline in confidence in Sandgaard.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I see very little connection between only 4% of trust members having a keen interest in the women's team and a "declining confidence in Sangaard"JohnnyH2 said:
The trust ask a handful of questions and this was the biggest negative they got. How is that obscure in the context of what the thread is about?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Ah... I was referring to the Women's team being 2nd tier, which makes it appropriate for them to be pro, as far as I can tellJohnnyH2 said:
We are 3rd tierSiv_in_Norfolk said:
Don't we play in the second tier? (Championship)JohnnyH2 said:The most obvious result in the survey (but will ignored by many) is the 4% who show a genuine interest in the womans team. We are a 3rd division club and yet we have gone full time with a womans team who get average gates in the low hundreds. The only a game at The Valley with a lot of advertising and get a gate of 700.
We should have a womans team but its bonkers we have a full time one.
Will the trust be talking to the club about this?
Are you OK with them being pro if so?
I now get your point about a men's third tier team supporting the cost of a 2nd tier Women's team...
I see it as a smart investment in a fast growing area of sport which will attract more fans for Charlton Athletic in general...
It seems like an obscure thing to be focusing on in the context of all that is going on to me. Is this something you have been focusing on a lot? Do you get much support with it?
Out of interest, how much does the Women's team cost Sangaard?
It's no real surprise that not many supporters of the men's team are interested in the women's and I don't see that lack of interest as a reason for the support to be discontinued or for there to be any negative perception of the owner for providing it. As I say, it seems like like smart investment to me.
And...yeah... this still feels like an obscure line to take in the context of the subject title...0 -
He promised??? Where did he promise anything? He set a vision and objective. To date the performances on the pitch haven't matched it. He has taken action on that by removing the manager he thought would deliver, but didn't, and the manager he didn't think would deliver, and didn't. He has done this because of the standard of football. We're not entitled to get promoted, it needs the right balance of team and manager clicking. If it takes longer than he intended, so be it. The fact is we're stable, we can give it a crack each season. Some will be good, some will be bad. We have a right to criticise, but can we just act like reasonable adult fans rather than entitled kids, whining because of one bad season?blackpool72 said:Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.
No, let's over analyse every aspect of the club... we need to blame someone. Let's blame Thomas, he plays a guitar. Let's blame Martin, he appears to have got this job because his dad thinks inputting 8m a year into the club means he's allowed a bit of time to run it the way he wants.
Here's an idea, if you (not you specifically, Blackpool, your post is measured and it's only your word 'promised' that's set me off) don't like the direction, take the time to write to TS and explain what you think is the right strategic direction for the club. He has always responded to fans, in person and on social media. Explain what you think an independent CEO might add, for example, set out your guaranteed strategy for promotion, but FFS get a grip. Forgetting the 'saving the club' for a bit, the guy has tried to come in, spend his money, contribute his time and support to every single element of the club. He's entitled to a view of the high press, and even whatever the low block is. He's entitled to let average League One strikers leave. He's clearly not happy with the football and he's taken action. Just give the guy a chance ffs.14 -
Exactly. Not everything has to be binary these days.Cafc43v3r said:
It didn't this time though did it? Who knows what might have happened.Lordflashheart said:Croydon said:
Less than 5 ccomments in. FuckLordflashheart said:Well, I guess the alternative is a great thing for some - no Charlton Athletic at all - because ‘shit for brains’ that is what was stampeding over the hill
Over and outHonestly - some of you need to get in a Delorean and go back to to 1980’s when Charlton really nearly did disappear forever ……..
You can not say, with 100% certainty, we would not exist without Sandgaard. Because you don't know its true. We might not but its not a fact.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't be grateful for the money he is gifting us. It also doesn't mean he is beyond criticism for somethings. Not everything but somethings.2 - Sponsored links:
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Possibly the most patronising post I've seen in the defence of Sandgaard.Jonniesta said:
He promised??? Where did he promise anything? He set a vision and objective. To date the performances on the pitch haven't matched it. He has taken action on that by removing the manager he thought would deliver, but didn't, and the manager he didn't think would deliver, and didn't. He has done this because of the standard of football. We're not entitled to get promoted, it needs the right balance of team and manager clicking. If it takes longer than he intended, so be it. The fact is we're stable, we can give it a crack each season. Some will be good, some will be bad. We have a right to criticise, but can we just act like reasonable adult fans rather than entitled kids, whining because of one bad season?blackpool72 said:Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.
No, let's over analyse every aspect of the club... we need to blame someone. Let's blame Thomas, he plays a guitar. Let's blame Martin, he appears to have got this job because his dad thinks inputting 8m a year into the club means he's allowed a bit of time to run it the way he wants.
Here's an idea, if you (not you specifically, Blackpool, your post is measured and it's only your word 'promised' that's set me off) don't like the direction, take the time to write to TS and explain what you think is the right strategic direction for the club. He has always responded to fans, in person and on social media. Explain what you think an independent CEO might add, for example, set out your guaranteed strategy for promotion, but FFS get a grip. Forgetting the 'saving the club' for a bit, the guy has tried to come in, spend his money, contribute his time and support to every single element of the club. He's entitled to a view of the high press, and even whatever the low block is. He's entitled to let average League One strikers leave. He's clearly not happy with the football and he's taken action. Just give the guy a chance ffs.
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Maybe it’s a more viable business? With Tv money going into the top flight and relatively low outgoings, I assume TS sees it as a potentially good investment. I wouldn’t assume that the money he invests in the women’s team would go to the men’s team otherwise. From a financial perspective, maybe he sees them as completely independent.JohnnyH2 said:
We need to live somewhere within our means. How many of the other 3rd tier clubs have a full time womans team?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Don't we play in the second tier? (Championship)JohnnyH2 said:The most obvious result in the survey (but will ignored by many) is the 4% who show a genuine interest in the womans team. We are a 3rd division club and yet we have gone full time with a womans team who get average gates in the low hundreds. The only a game at The Valley with a lot of advertising and get a gate of 700.
We should have a womans team but its bonkers we have a full time one.
Will the trust be talking to the club about this?
Are you OK with them being pro if so?
How many of the other 23 3rd tier clubs lose at least £8m a year have a full time womans team.
How many games have supporters have paid full price for this season for the Woman?
I watch fair amount of womans football, but there has to be some realism with this.1 -
Patronising is merited when people act like children, darling.blackpool72 said:
Possibly the most patronising post I've seen in the defence of Sandgaard.Jonniesta said:
He promised??? Where did he promise anything? He set a vision and objective. To date the performances on the pitch haven't matched it. He has taken action on that by removing the manager he thought would deliver, but didn't, and the manager he didn't think would deliver, and didn't. He has done this because of the standard of football. We're not entitled to get promoted, it needs the right balance of team and manager clicking. If it takes longer than he intended, so be it. The fact is we're stable, we can give it a crack each season. Some will be good, some will be bad. We have a right to criticise, but can we just act like reasonable adult fans rather than entitled kids, whining because of one bad season?blackpool72 said:Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.
No, let's over analyse every aspect of the club... we need to blame someone. Let's blame Thomas, he plays a guitar. Let's blame Martin, he appears to have got this job because his dad thinks inputting 8m a year into the club means he's allowed a bit of time to run it the way he wants.
Here's an idea, if you (not you specifically, Blackpool, your post is measured and it's only your word 'promised' that's set me off) don't like the direction, take the time to write to TS and explain what you think is the right strategic direction for the club. He has always responded to fans, in person and on social media. Explain what you think an independent CEO might add, for example, set out your guaranteed strategy for promotion, but FFS get a grip. Forgetting the 'saving the club' for a bit, the guy has tried to come in, spend his money, contribute his time and support to every single element of the club. He's entitled to a view of the high press, and even whatever the low block is. He's entitled to let average League One strikers leave. He's clearly not happy with the football and he's taken action. Just give the guy a chance ffs.
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Can't take anyone who calls Jonny Williams 'Jonniesta' seriouslyJonniesta said:
Patronising is merited when people act like children, darling.blackpool72 said:
Possibly the most patronising post I've seen in the defence of Sandgaard.Jonniesta said:
He promised??? Where did he promise anything? He set a vision and objective. To date the performances on the pitch haven't matched it. He has taken action on that by removing the manager he thought would deliver, but didn't, and the manager he didn't think would deliver, and didn't. He has done this because of the standard of football. We're not entitled to get promoted, it needs the right balance of team and manager clicking. If it takes longer than he intended, so be it. The fact is we're stable, we can give it a crack each season. Some will be good, some will be bad. We have a right to criticise, but can we just act like reasonable adult fans rather than entitled kids, whining because of one bad season?blackpool72 said:Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.
No, let's over analyse every aspect of the club... we need to blame someone. Let's blame Thomas, he plays a guitar. Let's blame Martin, he appears to have got this job because his dad thinks inputting 8m a year into the club means he's allowed a bit of time to run it the way he wants.
Here's an idea, if you (not you specifically, Blackpool, your post is measured and it's only your word 'promised' that's set me off) don't like the direction, take the time to write to TS and explain what you think is the right strategic direction for the club. He has always responded to fans, in person and on social media. Explain what you think an independent CEO might add, for example, set out your guaranteed strategy for promotion, but FFS get a grip. Forgetting the 'saving the club' for a bit, the guy has tried to come in, spend his money, contribute his time and support to every single element of the club. He's entitled to a view of the high press, and even whatever the low block is. He's entitled to let average League One strikers leave. He's clearly not happy with the football and he's taken action. Just give the guy a chance ffs.
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CAST asked the question:
Do you find you have lost the ability to be nuanced and listen to other fans/critics points of View ?
They can Piss off 59%
Bring back the sofa 1%
What does nuanced mean 18%
Their not fit to be fans 12%
Who are you ? 7%
Your uncle is your Brother 3%
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What's the issue though? It's not a tremendous amount of money every year and the owner is willing to pay it. The people who do show interest in the women's team get to enjoy a fully professional women's team that can grow and hopefully look at progressing up. As they progress interest will increase; the WSL was on Sky this season staggered around the men's games and it's generated a lot more interest in the league. I'm really happy to see that work is being done to try and increase the quality and with it the interest, and I don't see a problem with that. If there comes a day where Sandgaard admits we missed out on a 30 goal a season striker because we had to pay Beth Roe's wages then I'll accept there's a big issue but I don't see it right now. The aim is surely to increase that 4% and a professional team is the way to do it.JohnnyH2 said:The most obvious result in the survey (but will ignored by many) is the 4% who show a genuine interest in the womans team. We are a 3rd division club and yet we have gone full time with a womans team who get average gates in the low hundreds. The only game at The Valley with a lot of advertising and get a gate of 700.
We should have a womans team but its bonkers we have a full time one.
Will the trust be talking to the club about this?
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100% this. As a primary school teacher I can tell you children of both genders are excited about mens and women’s football and look to forward thinking people (like TS) to help give them both a platform.Garrymanilow said:
What's the issue though? It's not a tremendous amount of money every year and the owner is willing to pay it. The people who do show interest in the women's team get to enjoy a fully professional women's team that can grow and hopefully look at progressing up. As they progress interest will increase; the WSL was on Sky this season staggered around the men's games and it's generated a lot more interest in the league. I'm really happy to see that work is being done to try and increase the quality and with it the interest, and I don't see a problem with that. If there comes a day where Sandgaard admits we missed out on a 30 goal a season striker because we had to pay Beth Roe's wages then I'll accept there's a big issue but I don't see it right now. The aim is surely to increase that 4% and a professional team is the way to do it.JohnnyH2 said:The most obvious result in the survey (but will ignored by many) is the 4% who show a genuine interest in the womans team. We are a 3rd division club and yet we have gone full time with a womans team who get average gates in the low hundreds. The only game at The Valley with a lot of advertising and get a gate of 700.
We should have a womans team but its bonkers we have a full time one.
Will the trust be talking to the club about this?
I have both girls and boys in my football team and to be able to tell them there is a pathway, particularly local, for them is so inspirational in a way that it never used to be.
It’s a fantastic passion of his that he has set up and good on him for it. The supporters of the mens team don’t have to be the same ones as the women’s team.12 -
I freely admit to being one of those losing confidence in general, but the women's team is certainly not a reason for that.
Sandgaard has made mistakes for sure but he's also got some things right, it's possible to acknowledge both. My own personal concerns are that from my personal perspective the mistakes are/will cost us more than the good decisions gain.
Yes, he did save the club when he came in. But saved then is not the same as safe forever.
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thenewbie said:I freely admit to being one of those losing confidence in general, but the women's team is certainly not a reason for that.
Sandgaard has made mistakes for sure but he's also got some things right, it's possible to acknowledge both. My own personal concerns are that from my personal perspective the mistakes are/will cost us more than the good decisions gain.
Yes, he did save the club when he came in. But saved then is not the same as safe forever.
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Don’t worry. Nobody read it anyway.addick1956 said:
Predictive txt...words to that effect!addick1956 sai
Next year we will trounce this league or 34ds to thar effect....Jonniesta said:
He promised??? Where did he promise anything? He set a vision and objective. To date the performances on the pitch haven't matched it. He has taken action on that by removing the manager he thought would deliver, but didn't, and the manager he didn't think would deliver, and didn't. He has done this because of the standard of football. We're not entitled to get promoted, it needs the right balance of team and manager clicking. If it takes longer than he intended, so be it. The fact is we're stable, we can give it a crack each season. Some will be good, some will be bad. We have a right to criticise, but can we just act like reasonable adult fans rather than entitled kids, whining because of one bad season?blackpool72 said:Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.
No, let's over analyse every aspect of the club... we need to blame someone. Let's blame Thomas, he plays a guitar. Let's blame Martin, he appears to have got this job because his dad thinks inputting 8m a year into the club means he's allowed a bit of time to run it the way he wants.
Here's an idea, if you (not you specifically, Blackpool, your post is measured and it's only your word 'promised' that's set me off) don't like the direction, take the time to write to TS and explain what you think is the right strategic direction for the club. He has always responded to fans, in person and on social media. Explain what you think an independent CEO might add, for example, set out your guaranteed strategy for promotion, but FFS get a grip. Forgetting the 'saving the club' for a bit, the guy has tried to come in, spend his money, contribute his time and support to every single element of the club. He's entitled to a view of the high press, and even whatever the low block is. He's entitled to let average League One strikers leave. He's clearly not happy with the football and he's taken action. Just give the guy a chance ffs.
Washington left in strange circumstances
Then what .... we are run to break even.
How on L1...more so , if we ever get to the Championship.
Our recruitment was dodgy last summer compared to the ' promise ' he made.
How about someone who knows how to run a soccer club and not a nepotistical approach to it.8 - Sponsored links:
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@addick1956 You can go back and edit your posts if you made a typo, as long as it's less than 24 hours since the original post, rather than posting again to make a correction.
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That's why I commented to explain why I'd changed the title rather than just going ahead and updating it like I normally do, as otherwise there was a chance you'd get people quibbling about your comment.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Ha! Well that certainly changes things and makes the comment no longer obscure in the context of the titlealiwibble said:
There's not a causal link between the lack of interest in the women's team and the decline in confidence in Sandgaard, but there is a link in the sense that they are both issues that have been demonstrated in the results of this CAST survey. I've modified the title to make it clear that this thread is discussing the results of the CAST survey in its entirety, not just the decline in confidence in Sandgaard.Siv_in_Norfolk said:
I see very little connection between only 4% of trust members having a keen interest in the women's team and a "declining confidence in Sangaard"JohnnyH2 said:
The trust ask a handful of questions and this was the biggest negative they got. How is that obscure in the context of what the thread is about?Siv_in_Norfolk said:
Ah... I was referring to the Women's team being 2nd tier, which makes it appropriate for them to be pro, as far as I can tellJohnnyH2 said:
We are 3rd tierSiv_in_Norfolk said:
Don't we play in the second tier? (Championship)JohnnyH2 said:The most obvious result in the survey (but will ignored by many) is the 4% who show a genuine interest in the womans team. We are a 3rd division club and yet we have gone full time with a womans team who get average gates in the low hundreds. The only a game at The Valley with a lot of advertising and get a gate of 700.
We should have a womans team but its bonkers we have a full time one.
Will the trust be talking to the club about this?
Are you OK with them being pro if so?
I now get your point about a men's third tier team supporting the cost of a 2nd tier Women's team...
I see it as a smart investment in a fast growing area of sport which will attract more fans for Charlton Athletic in general...
It seems like an obscure thing to be focusing on in the context of all that is going on to me. Is this something you have been focusing on a lot? Do you get much support with it?
Out of interest, how much does the Women's team cost Sangaard?
It's no real surprise that not many supporters of the men's team are interested in the women's and I don't see that lack of interest as a reason for the support to be discontinued or for there to be any negative perception of the owner for providing it. As I say, it seems like like smart investment to me.
And...yeah... this still feels like an obscure line to take in the context of the subject title...
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I agree with all of that but is it correct to say that he has ‘come in and spent his money’ - I thought I read somewhere that what he has spent is actually classified in the club accounts as a ‘loan’ - in other words that he is growing club debt rather than making cash gifts? If so, that represents less of a personal contribution than is being suggested. I’m happy to be corrected on this if I am misunderstanding the financial situation as, in the worst case scenario, TS is simply building debt in the way that Roland did.Jonniesta said:
He promised??? Where did he promise anything? He set a vision and objective. To date the performances on the pitch haven't matched it. He has taken action on that by removing the manager he thought would deliver, but didn't, and the manager he didn't think would deliver, and didn't. He has done this because of the standard of football. We're not entitled to get promoted, it needs the right balance of team and manager clicking. If it takes longer than he intended, so be it. The fact is we're stable, we can give it a crack each season. Some will be good, some will be bad. We have a right to criticise, but can we just act like reasonable adult fans rather than entitled kids, whining because of one bad season?blackpool72 said:Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.
No, let's over analyse every aspect of the club... we need to blame someone. Let's blame Thomas, he plays a guitar. Let's blame Martin, he appears to have got this job because his dad thinks inputting 8m a year into the club means he's allowed a bit of time to run it the way he wants.
Here's an idea, if you (not you specifically, Blackpool, your post is measured and it's only your word 'promised' that's set me off) don't like the direction, take the time to write to TS and explain what you think is the right strategic direction for the club. He has always responded to fans, in person and on social media. Explain what you think an independent CEO might add, for example, set out your guaranteed strategy for promotion, but FFS get a grip. Forgetting the 'saving the club' for a bit, the guy has tried to come in, spend his money, contribute his time and support to every single element of the club. He's entitled to a view of the high press, and even whatever the low block is. He's entitled to let average League One strikers leave. He's clearly not happy with the football and he's taken action. Just give the guy a chance ffs.2 -
Has Roland got his back ?meldrew66 said:
I agree with all of that but is it correct to say that he has ‘come in and spent his money’ - I thought I read somewhere that what he has spent is actually classified in the club accounts as a ‘loan’ - in other words that he is growing club debt rather than making cash gifts? If so, that represents less of a personal contribution than is being suggested. I’m happy to be corrected on this if I am misunderstanding the financial situation as, in the worst case scenario, TS is simply building debt in the way that Roland did.Jonniesta said:
He promised??? Where did he promise anything? He set a vision and objective. To date the performances on the pitch haven't matched it. He has taken action on that by removing the manager he thought would deliver, but didn't, and the manager he didn't think would deliver, and didn't. He has done this because of the standard of football. We're not entitled to get promoted, it needs the right balance of team and manager clicking. If it takes longer than he intended, so be it. The fact is we're stable, we can give it a crack each season. Some will be good, some will be bad. We have a right to criticise, but can we just act like reasonable adult fans rather than entitled kids, whining because of one bad season?blackpool72 said:Most supporters are only concerned about the standard of football they are watching and are not overly bothered by what's going on off the pitch.
The standard of football we have witnessed since Sandgaard took over has in the main been very very poor.
If he gets it right this summer with appointing the right manager and bringing in the right players people's confidence will rise.
If he gets it wrong and next season is as bad as the last then fan's will continue to question his ability to deliver what he promised.
No, let's over analyse every aspect of the club... we need to blame someone. Let's blame Thomas, he plays a guitar. Let's blame Martin, he appears to have got this job because his dad thinks inputting 8m a year into the club means he's allowed a bit of time to run it the way he wants.
Here's an idea, if you (not you specifically, Blackpool, your post is measured and it's only your word 'promised' that's set me off) don't like the direction, take the time to write to TS and explain what you think is the right strategic direction for the club. He has always responded to fans, in person and on social media. Explain what you think an independent CEO might add, for example, set out your guaranteed strategy for promotion, but FFS get a grip. Forgetting the 'saving the club' for a bit, the guy has tried to come in, spend his money, contribute his time and support to every single element of the club. He's entitled to a view of the high press, and even whatever the low block is. He's entitled to let average League One strikers leave. He's clearly not happy with the football and he's taken action. Just give the guy a chance ffs.
How will TS get his back ?
It’s affectively a gift because they’re not gonna get it all back in reality and the money that has been spent will be losing value over time with inflation and what could be earned anywhere else etc1 -
Don’t like Jonniesta’s post much. Saving the club from the chancers gives credit, It doesn’t absolve from critique with mistakes about running the club.TS can get maximum bang for his buck with getting advice from solid Charlton people like Cubs & Varney & host of proven good characters to avoid rookie football club errors but has not shown any apparent interest in that. increasing club debt with loans is a worry. This is a big next few months for TS with manager choice & transfer window.1
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The debt now is much less than it was under ESI, so it’s not fair to say that TS has increased it. Duchatelet wiped it in respect of the transfer of assets, which we assume to be the stands, fixtures and fittings, when Sandgaard took over.
In reality Duchatelet is seeking to offset his losses through retaining the freehold - either via the increased rent or eventual sale - while Sandgaard’s only realistic hope of recovering his loan is getting to the Premier League or, I suppose, exceptional windfall transfer profits.
in any event, as long as the debt is to Sandgaard (the £7m non-redeemable non-interest bearing ex-director loans apart) there is no risk of the club going into administration because the only person who can put it there is Sandgaard, and that would likely wipe out his own loan.
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A Twitter poll backing up the thread title, currently 71% have said no to being confident in the Sandgaards running the club. Over 240 responses so far.0
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This Lee Fender fella has it in for TS, though he didn’t mind taking praise from TS when he was buying fans tickets from Australia.Scoham said:A Twitter poll backing up the thread title, currently 71% have said no to being confident in the Sandgaards running the club. Over 240 responses so far.0 -
Yeah he might not be the most impartial of voices (this is just a selection of this months insights)…RedRobin said:
This Lee Fender fella has it in for TS, though he didn’t mind taking praise from TS when he was buying fans tickets from Australia.Scoham said:A Twitter poll backing up the thread title, currently 71% have said no to being confident in the Sandgaards running the club. Over 240 responses so far.
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Tweeted to the #cafc hastag though, so it's out there for everyone not just his followers who agree with him.RedRobin said:
This Lee Fender fella has it in for TS, though he didn’t mind taking praise from TS when he was buying fans tickets from Australia.Scoham said:A Twitter poll backing up the thread title, currently 71% have said no to being confident in the Sandgaards running the club. Over 240 responses so far.0
