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Minimum age for smoking...
Chizz
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...to be increased by one year, every year.
Good idea or bad idea?
Good idea or bad idea?
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Good, no one sensible can think it's a bad idea.14
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Knowing how bad it is for you and how expensive a packet of fags are it shocks me how many youngsters smoke.0
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Minimum age for drinking to be increased by one year, every year.
No one sensible can think it's a bad idea.
Just a thought.
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Neither. Just a distraction, I think it is unlikely to result in significant behaviour change.Chizz said:...to be increased by one year, every year.
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Good idea and they should include vaping4
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Haven't they done this elsewhere? New Zealand ?
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When will stop?Chizz said:...to be increased by one year, every year.
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In 20 years time, it will be reported that vaping can damage your health.Bedsaddick said:Good idea and they should include vaping0 -
As a sometime smoker but a tea total drinker, I couldn't agree more.Algarveaddick said:Minimum age for drinking to be increased by one year, every year.
No one sensible can think it's a bad idea.
Just a thought.
Never quite understood why alcohol is considered perfectly fine, appreciate there's the passive element to smoking although that has mostly been eradicated since 2007, but drink causes far more health (and social) problems and always has.5 -
I suspect much earlier than that . I have two sons aged 19 and 16 . They have never smoked but both vape because it’s what their friends do and both have horrendous coughs that they just can’t seem to shrug off . Having just experienced what cancer is like ( non smoking related ) it makes me angry to see them and anyone else putting that shit into their lungs . If you’d experienced what I have gone through this year you wouldn’t go anywhere near anything that could possibly give you cancer .guinnessaddick said:
In 20 years time, it will be reported that vaping can damage your health.Bedsaddick said:Good idea and they should include vaping
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Yes. Their plan is to have 5% or less smokers by 2025Henry Irving said:Haven't they done this elsewhere? New Zealand ?2 -
I used to smoke then turned to vaping. I still own a vape and have some when I have a drink because I always fancy a fag after a few pints. Glad to hear I quit as I don't think it's much better than tobacco. Without getting into arguments over whether some drugs should be legal and alcohol banned, in isolation it's a very good idea.0
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As a 76 year old who has never smoked but suffers with emphysema, through having lungs like a heavy smoker, according to the specialist, I wish this was started 76 years ago. Unfortunately, growing up, nearly everybody smoked and wherever you went indoors, pubs, clubs etc, you sometimes had trouble breathing for the smoke3
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If you want to completely stop smoking inside a generation this is the best way to do it.
Wether you want to do that or not is a different argument.3 -
I quite agree, having seen my dad died from lung cancer at the same age as I am now. Never smoked and wonder why would someone want to smoke or vape.Bedsaddick said:
I suspect much earlier than that . I have two sons aged 19 and 16 . They have never smoked but both vape because it’s what their friends do and both have horrendous coughs that they just can’t seem to shrug off . Having just experienced what cancer is like ( non smoking related ) it makes me angry to see them and anyone else putting that shit into their lungs . If you’d experienced what I have gone through this year you wouldn’t go anywhere near anything that could possibly give you cancer .guinnessaddick said:
In 20 years time, it will be reported that vaping can damage your health.Bedsaddick said:Good idea and they should include vaping4 -
Hope it has some impact however minimum age counts for nothing when the dodgy shop on the corner is prepared to sell booze and fags to anyone including those under age.
It is no good giving these shop owners a fine and a smack on the wrist, the punishment needs to be more severe.2 -
But do you/they drink? Alcohol is a known carcinogen, but in my experience 99% of people and likely 100% of drinkers don't consider/think/worry about that.Bedsaddick said:
I suspect much earlier than that . I have two sons aged 19 and 16 . They have never smoked but both vape because it’s what their friends do and both have horrendous coughs that they just can’t seem to shrug off . Having just experienced what cancer is like ( non smoking related ) it makes me angry to see them and anyone else putting that shit into their lungs . If you’d experienced what I have gone through this year you wouldn’t go anywhere near anything that could possibly give you cancer .guinnessaddick said:
In 20 years time, it will be reported that vaping can damage your health.Bedsaddick said:Good idea and they should include vaping0 -
It's already been reported. All the doctors agree, vaping is bad for you, just not as bad as smoking.guinnessaddick said:
In 20 years time, it will be reported that vaping can damage your health.Bedsaddick said:Good idea and they should include vaping
As for the comment about drinking, I don't honestly see that happening. The issue with smoking isn't that it's harmful to the user (lots and lots of things are harmful to the user), it's that it's harmful at even the most minor level of usage and it's that it's also harmful to everybody around the user.
I can see the drinking age eventually being raised, and I can see US style open container laws coming in, but there won't be any sort of ban anytime soon.
What has always shocked me is the number of young girls who smoke. More young girls smoke than boys, with the numbers shifting ever more in their favour over the last 20 years. Why spend £50+ on perfume only to cloak with the fetid stench of stale tobacco as soon as you go out?1 -
Henry Irving said:Haven't they done this elsewhere? New Zealand ?
- Anyone aged under 14 will be banned from EVER buying cigarettes in their life
- The age limit will be increased each year until it's illegal throughout New Zealand
- The target is to wipe out smoking entirely by 2025 as part of 15-year scheme
- Other changes include only allowing the sale of tobacco with low nicotine levels
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If alcohol was discovered today, it would 100% be illegal.Rob7Lee said:
As a sometime smoker but a tea total drinker, I couldn't agree more.Algarveaddick said:Minimum age for drinking to be increased by one year, every year.
No one sensible can think it's a bad idea.
Just a thought.
Never quite understood why alcohol is considered perfectly fine, appreciate there's the passive element to smoking although that has mostly been eradicated since 2007, but drink causes far more health (and social) problems and always has.1 -
Don’t think it’s without risk now. Inhaling anything into your lungs that isn’t air seems unlikely to be beneficial.guinnessaddick said:
In 20 years time, it will be reported that vaping can damage your health.Bedsaddick said:Good idea and they should include vaping1 -
The ice cream man that was parked outside our school used to sell them. I'm definitely not against the age change, but it won't make a difference imo.eaststandmike said:Hope it has some impact however minimum age counts for nothing when the dodgy shop on the corner is prepared to sell booze and fags to anyone including those under age.
It is no good giving these shop owners a fine and a smack on the wrist, the punishment needs to be more severe.0 -
100% agree, yet it's perfectly acceptable despite the damage it can do to the individual but more importantly society as a whole. Think the study was back in 2014 but the outcome was that 137 admissions an hour in the UK due to alcohol which was more than double that of smoking.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If alcohol was discovered today, it would 100% be illegal.Rob7Lee said:
As a sometime smoker but a tea total drinker, I couldn't agree more.Algarveaddick said:Minimum age for drinking to be increased by one year, every year.
No one sensible can think it's a bad idea.
Just a thought.
Never quite understood why alcohol is considered perfectly fine, appreciate there's the passive element to smoking although that has mostly been eradicated since 2007, but drink causes far more health (and social) problems and always has.
It was estimated the cost to the NHS through smoking was a staggering 5.2bn a year - but weigh that against alcohol and just the 11bn a year cost to the criminal justice system before even looking at the NHS cost on top.
Sadly I've seen the effect of smoking (my mother died of lung cancer despite giving up in her 30's and the doctor saying it was nothing to do with the fact she smoked 40 years before, I failed to believe it), and also the effect of alcohol, neither are pleasant but to me alcohol was far more reaching in it's negative effect.1 -
They don’t and neither do I since my surgery but I agree about alcohol being carcinogenic and I’ve certainly not shied away from having a drink in the past . Are they linked to my cancer ? We’ll probably never know .Rob7Lee said:
But do you/they drink? Alcohol is a known carcinogen, but in my experience 99% of people and likely 100% of drinkers don't consider/think/worry about that.Bedsaddick said:
I suspect much earlier than that . I have two sons aged 19 and 16 . They have never smoked but both vape because it’s what their friends do and both have horrendous coughs that they just can’t seem to shrug off . Having just experienced what cancer is like ( non smoking related ) it makes me angry to see them and anyone else putting that shit into their lungs . If you’d experienced what I have gone through this year you wouldn’t go anywhere near anything that could possibly give you cancer .guinnessaddick said:
In 20 years time, it will be reported that vaping can damage your health.Bedsaddick said:Good idea and they should include vaping0 -
Alcohol is approximately £3.5bn a year cost to the NHS.Rob7Lee said:
100% agree, yet it's perfectly acceptable despite the damage it can do to the individual but more importantly society as a whole. Think the study was back in 2014 but the outcome was that 137 admissions an hour in the UK due to alcohol which was more than double that of smoking.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If alcohol was discovered today, it would 100% be illegal.Rob7Lee said:
As a sometime smoker but a tea total drinker, I couldn't agree more.Algarveaddick said:Minimum age for drinking to be increased by one year, every year.
No one sensible can think it's a bad idea.
Just a thought.
Never quite understood why alcohol is considered perfectly fine, appreciate there's the passive element to smoking although that has mostly been eradicated since 2007, but drink causes far more health (and social) problems and always has.
It was estimated the cost to the NHS through smoking was a staggering 5.2bn a year - but weigh that against alcohol and just the 11bn a year cost to the criminal justice system before even looking at the NHS cost on top.
Sadly I've seen the effect of smoking (my mother died of lung cancer despite giving up in her 30's and the doctor saying it was nothing to do with the fact she smoked 40 years before, I failed to believe it), and also the effect of alcohol, neither are pleasant but to me alcohol was far more reaching in it's negative effect.
Obesity is £5.1bn. Fine excessive eaters
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So how is it working in NZ?eastterrace6168 said:Henry Irving said:Haven't they done this elsewhere? New Zealand ?- Anyone aged under 14 will be banned from EVER buying cigarettes in their life
- The age limit will be increased each year until it's illegal throughout New Zealand
- The target is to wipe out smoking entirely by 2025 as part of 15-year scheme
- Other changes include only allowing the sale of tobacco with low nicotine levels
Presumably it started in 2010 so has uptake reduced in under 26 year old?0 -
There is a significant difference between drinking alcohol and smoking. Whilst it might well be better if no alcohol was consumed by anyone, there are literally hundreds of millions of people that use alcohol with no detrimental effects and small alcohol consumption provides some protection against heart disease, stroke and hardening of arteries raising levels of HDL. Health problems caused by alcohol go up with increased consumption. Cigarettes on the other hand are totally bad with no redeeming features whatsoever. One cigarette is bad for you.4
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Jokes aside if that's true obesity has now outstripped smoking for NHS cost! Wowzer, but don't worry, the sugar tax is sorting itBig_Bad_World said:
Alcohol is approximately £3.5bn a year cost to the NHS.Rob7Lee said:
100% agree, yet it's perfectly acceptable despite the damage it can do to the individual but more importantly society as a whole. Think the study was back in 2014 but the outcome was that 137 admissions an hour in the UK due to alcohol which was more than double that of smoking.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If alcohol was discovered today, it would 100% be illegal.Rob7Lee said:
As a sometime smoker but a tea total drinker, I couldn't agree more.Algarveaddick said:Minimum age for drinking to be increased by one year, every year.
No one sensible can think it's a bad idea.
Just a thought.
Never quite understood why alcohol is considered perfectly fine, appreciate there's the passive element to smoking although that has mostly been eradicated since 2007, but drink causes far more health (and social) problems and always has.
It was estimated the cost to the NHS through smoking was a staggering 5.2bn a year - but weigh that against alcohol and just the 11bn a year cost to the criminal justice system before even looking at the NHS cost on top.
Sadly I've seen the effect of smoking (my mother died of lung cancer despite giving up in her 30's and the doctor saying it was nothing to do with the fact she smoked 40 years before, I failed to believe it), and also the effect of alcohol, neither are pleasant but to me alcohol was far more reaching in it's negative effect.
Obesity is £5.1bn. Fine excessive eaters 1 -
Smoking also contributes about £11 billion to the treasury through tax.Rob7Lee said:
100% agree, yet it's perfectly acceptable despite the damage it can do to the individual but more importantly society as a whole. Think the study was back in 2014 but the outcome was that 137 admissions an hour in the UK due to alcohol which was more than double that of smoking.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If alcohol was discovered today, it would 100% be illegal.Rob7Lee said:
As a sometime smoker but a tea total drinker, I couldn't agree more.Algarveaddick said:Minimum age for drinking to be increased by one year, every year.
No one sensible can think it's a bad idea.
Just a thought.
Never quite understood why alcohol is considered perfectly fine, appreciate there's the passive element to smoking although that has mostly been eradicated since 2007, but drink causes far more health (and social) problems and always has.
It was estimated the cost to the NHS through smoking was a staggering 5.2bn a year - but weigh that against alcohol and just the 11bn a year cost to the criminal justice system before even looking at the NHS cost on top.
Sadly I've seen the effect of smoking (my mother died of lung cancer despite giving up in her 30's and the doctor saying it was nothing to do with the fact she smoked 40 years before, I failed to believe it), and also the effect of alcohol, neither are pleasant but to me alcohol was far more reaching in it's negative effect.
If you were looking at it purely on economic value you would actually encourage smoking.0
