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Brentford to re-open their academy

Callumcafc
Callumcafc Posts: 66,241
edited July 2022 in Other Football and Sports
New Premier League rules coming in have forced their hand.

Every club in the top tier must operate a Cat 1, 2 or 3 academy from 2024-25 onwards.

They will start with a Cat 4 academy this season after closing their Cat 2 academy in 2016.

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  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,617
    They could solve the problem by getting relegated.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 38,857
    It’ll be interesting to see what they do. In a way running with the bare minimum would be a bigger waste of time than investing in it and moving up a category or two.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 23,095
    addick1956 said:
    That means they will steal our yoof by offering to pay the family energy  bill by way of an inducement. 
    Actually if they start at tier 4 and move to tier 3, it's the other way around and we'll steal their good youth for next to nothing, as that's how the tiering system works, and why we are pushing so hard for tier 1
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 71,903
    edited July 2022
    Looking it up, Cat 4 is much like what they are doing anyway, as unlike Cat 1-3, it's for U17 upwards only. Cat 3 will be a massive leap, as they'll have to start from scratch with recruitment and coaches

    https://www.efl.com/-more/efl-youth-development/

    There are 4 categories of Academy. Category 1 to 3 Academies register players from the U9 age group through to professionals whereas the Category 4 model is a late development model operating from the U17 age group upwards. Category 1 is the highest status of Academy.

    https://www.brentfordfc.com/news/2022/july/brentford-to-open-academy/
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,397
    I'm fairly sure they ditched their academy as an economy measure when they had to finance their excellent new stadium.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    sam3110 said:
    addick1956 said:
    That means they will steal our yoof by offering to pay the family energy  bill by way of an inducement. 
    Actually if they start at tier 4 and move to tier 3, it's the other way around and we'll steal their good youth for next to nothing, as that's how the tiering system works, and why we are pushing so hard for tier 1
    Those players would still have to be willing to leave a Premier League academy for a League 1 one, not going to happen. Tier 1 is obviously a positive because we get more money for players who depart, but it's not going to be the game changer that people think IMO. Ultimately, are players like Beadle and Palmer going to stay because we are a Cat 1 club?
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 23,095
    cafcfan1990 said:
    sam3110 said:
    addick1956 said:
    That means they will steal our yoof by offering to pay the family energy  bill by way of an inducement. 
    Actually if they start at tier 4 and move to tier 3, it's the other way around and we'll steal their good youth for next to nothing, as that's how the tiering system works, and why we are pushing so hard for tier 1
    Those players would still have to be willing to leave a Premier League academy for a League 1 one, not going to happen. Tier 1 is obviously a positive because we get more money for players who depart, but it's not going to be the game changer that people think IMO. Ultimately, are players like Beadle and Palmer going to stay because we are a Cat 1 club?
    No, but it means we get more money for them if they decide to move on. Similarly players in a Cat 3 academy, regardless of what tier the parent club are in, aren't going to have the same level of coaching and facilities available to them compared to a Cat 1 academy. That's kind of the point.

    So you say will they be willing to leave a Premier Academy for a League 1 one? If they have any sense they will, because in Academy levels, we'll be the highest level and Brentford's will be the third level.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    sam3110 said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    sam3110 said:
    addick1956 said:
    That means they will steal our yoof by offering to pay the family energy  bill by way of an inducement. 
    Actually if they start at tier 4 and move to tier 3, it's the other way around and we'll steal their good youth for next to nothing, as that's how the tiering system works, and why we are pushing so hard for tier 1
    Those players would still have to be willing to leave a Premier League academy for a League 1 one, not going to happen. Tier 1 is obviously a positive because we get more money for players who depart, but it's not going to be the game changer that people think IMO. Ultimately, are players like Beadle and Palmer going to stay because we are a Cat 1 club?
    No, but it means we get more money for them if they decide to move on. Similarly players in a Cat 3 academy, regardless of what tier the parent club are in, aren't going to have the same level of coaching and facilities available to them compared to a Cat 1 academy. That's kind of the point.

    So you say will they be willing to leave a Premier Academy for a League 1 one? If they have any sense they will, because in Academy levels, we'll be the highest level and Brentford's will be the third level.
    Financially, we have to spend more money to retain Cat 1 status so I'm not sure it's worth it to be honest. We'll get a bit more if one leaves but we'd need one to leave every season to cover the extra costs. 

    I get your point about Cat 1 having better facilities and coaching, but the Premier League clubs will still have the spending power. Why would a promising 15/16 year old leave Brentford for Charlton when the professional contract on offer shortly after will be much less. It's just not going to happen. 
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,632
    Brentford's Academy has been awarded Category One status by the Premier League following a thorough audit from the Professional Game Academy Audit Company (PGAAC).
    From the start of the 2026/27 season, the club’s Academy will operate at Category One level, the highest possible under the Elite Player Performance Plan. This standard has been reached just four years after the club reopened its Academy.

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  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,397
    They are also starting a women's academy.

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  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,228
    So they got rid of it to save money to get promotion, then make a new academy and get to category 1 within 4 years because they are now in the Premier League.  What a load of bollox.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,076
    jimmymelrose said:
    So they got rid of it to save money to get promotion, then make a new academy and get to category 1 within 4 years because they are now in the Premier League.  What a load of bollox.
    When you put it like that sounds incredibly intelligent 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 99,931
    Isnt it a requirement to have a Cat.1 Academy as a Premier League side now?
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,639
    edited May 9
    Crusty54 said:
    I'm fairly sure they ditched their academy as an economy measure when they had to finance their excellent new stadium.
    Think it was more that they were (and are) very data led.  The data suggested the couple of million every year spent on having however many age groups in academy was better spent on the 'B team' they brought in instead - that was made up of players in their early 20s released from PL clubs, clubs abroad etc.

    Don't bother completing with say ten other London clubs for youngsters and then train them for years, let other clubs train them and hope you pick up ones they were wrong to release.

    So the money was still spent, just on the B team rather than an academy.
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,632
    edited May 9
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Isnt it a requirement to have a Cat.1 Academy as a Premier League side now?

    No AFC Bournemouth doesn't have one, and Brentford doesn't till next season.
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,632
    edited May 9
    Crusty54 said:
    They are also starting a women's academy*.

    In the same way Brighton is investing in a Women's stadium.

    ForeverAddickted said:
    Isnt it a requirement to have a Cat.1 Academy as a Premier League side now?

    It is a requirement of a WSL club (from next season) to have a women academy. In terms of cat 1 see my answer above. 

    *- This is clearly thinking about the long term.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,213
    Crispywood said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    So they got rid of it to save money to get promotion, then make a new academy and get to category 1 within 4 years because they are now in the Premier League.  What a load of bollox.
    When you put it like that sounds incredibly intelligent 
    Well run, ambitous and succesful club.

    Another reason why we should be going for cat 1 ASAP
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 99,931
    JustFloydRoad said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Isnt it a requirement to have a Cat.1 Academy as a Premier League side now?

    No AFC Bournemouth doesn't have one, and Brentford doesn't till next season.
    I thought clubs got given a few years leeway to get things setup - But I must be wrong if Bournemouth don't have one, as they've surely been back in the Premier League long enough now for that to have applied. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 9,788
    ForeverAddickted said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Isnt it a requirement to have a Cat.1 Academy as a Premier League side now?

    No AFC Bournemouth doesn't have one, and Brentford doesn't till next season.
    I thought clubs got given a few years leeway to get things setup - But I must be wrong if Bournemouth don't have one, as they've surely been back in the Premier League long enough now for that to have applied. 
    Would assume Bournemouth wouldn't pass until this season when their Training Ground was actually built. No way they were getting Cat 1 before.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 2,076
    Henry Irving said:
    Crispywood said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    So they got rid of it to save money to get promotion, then make a new academy and get to category 1 within 4 years because they are now in the Premier League.  What a load of bollox.
    When you put it like that sounds incredibly intelligent 
    Well run, ambitous and succesful club.

    Another reason why we should be going for cat 1 ASAP
    Considering we’re already spending 2M a year to run the academy surely we aren’t far off Cat 1 where it’s a very realistic goal this summer 

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  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,468
    JustFloydRoad said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Isnt it a requirement to have a Cat.1 Academy as a Premier League side now?

    No AFC Bournemouth doesn't have one, and Brentford doesn't till next season.
    It is a requirement of all Prem clubs to have at least a category 3 academy.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 3,468
    Crispywood said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Crispywood said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    So they got rid of it to save money to get promotion, then make a new academy and get to category 1 within 4 years because they are now in the Premier League.  What a load of bollox.
    When you put it like that sounds incredibly intelligent 
    Well run, ambitous and succesful club.

    Another reason why we should be going for cat 1 ASAP
    Considering we’re already spending 2M a year to run the academy surely we aren’t far off Cat 1 where it’s a very realistic goal this summer 
    Probably around three million pounds a year could achieve it, plus what ever the cost of expanding the facilities at the ground.

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