Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

Airman Brown said:

MillwallFan said:

Dave2l said:

J BLOCK said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

J BLOCK said:

Airman Brown said:

bolloxbolder said:

Unfortunately I  really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard  gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.

That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.

No, someone with serious money works out it’s the cheapest way to acquire a Premier League club in London and blows RD and TS away. Such people are out there, but no promises.

Infuriating because on paper we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England, yet we end up with failing owner after failing owner. Look at Hull, team in the arse end of no where, bought recently by an owner who is backing them on the pitch.

we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England.  What have you been drinking this afternoon?

I'm not wrong 

Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy. 

No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.

Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even. 

Didn't do his homework.  A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain. 

Sorry, but where do you get that from? There’s plenty of genuinely big clubs who have dropped in to the third tier in recent history, and they’ve gone through difficult periods at that level, but big crowds kept coming through the gates. Sunderland, Ipswich, Leeds, Sheffield utd, Derby now, Southampton,Norwich,  just to name a few off the top of my head. 

Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties. 

Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you. 

And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be! 

We’ve got a 27,000 stadium in London and we’ve shown we can fill it in the PL. London is different, or how do you think Fulham and Brentford are getting crowds? Neither is a big club.

We had about 100 25,000 crowds on the bounce in the PL. Not surprising that has ebbed away after the last 15 years but we can do it again.

Cafc43v3r said:

esseffect said:

Uboat said:

esseffect said:

I saw on Twitter calling from Sangaard to sell. Thought, let’s have a look and see if there’s a thread on it…

How entitled can we get?

What’s entitled about having a discussion? 

Just feels a bit ‘Glazers out’ really

I don't think anyone has accused Thomas of "trousering" a billion quid though?

Airman Brown said:

bolloxbolder said:

Unfortunately I  really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard  gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.

That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.

No, someone with serious money works out it’s the cheapest way to acquire a Premier League club in London and blows RD and TS away. Such people are out there, but no promises.

"There is a necessity for more experience behind the scenes at Stamford Bridge and according to The Athletic, Todd Boehly wants to hire a new sporting director and have them in place before the January transfer window. 

Boehly has no previous experience in running a football club, although his first transfer window can largely be assessed as being a success."

This guy has realised after 2-3 months that he needs proper football people with experience but we plod on with the owners girlfriend and son.

MillwallFan said:

Callumcafc said:

What was it? 40,000 odd at Wembley for the play off final?

Of course we can fill 24,000 home seats. Not for League One or Championship football but I’m not understanding what the objection to AB’s assessment is based on.

The genuinely big clubs, with ‘big fan bases’ will fill 24,000 home seats in the third tier. That was my point. 

superclive98 said:

Pisses me off when I read about Sandgaard doing his utmost to get the club Cat 1 Academy status. He is only doing this to maximise the amount of money that we receive from selling our youngsters after they have played a handful of games for us.

Scoham said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Airman Brown said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

I always thought the reason we didn't really protest against the spivs is it was obvious they had no money and were trying to sell the club so what would be protesting for? To get them to do what they were trying to do? With Roland we were trying to get him to sell which he didn't really do. Instead he made a terrible business decision in offloading the playing part of the club to a bunch of crooks with an almost criminal lack of dilligence and as Airman has said, his shadow is still hanging over us. 

The question is, is Sandgaard trying to drastically cut costs because he has realised he can't succeed or is he genuinely trying to make us profitable in League One? I don't think he can really believe that is possible but the cost cutting is most likely part of trying to offload a club with no real assets. So as that is the case, not sure what good protests against him would do, much as the spivs. I think this is clearly a decision that has been made relatively recently, as why appoint Garner if you were looking to get out?

If a case could be made for further protests, it would probably be back to Duchatelet but we gave that our best shot and the bloke is as mad as a hatter so it would almost certainly be a waste of our time and money. We have to hope somebody comes in. I think there is a lot of untapped potential in terms of growing the club but it has to be somebody with reasonably deep pockets. If we were to get to the promised land, I think the club would be very sellable given its location and catchment area and that is where the riches lie.

Unfortunately I think RDs deal was a brilliant one, for himself, he kept everything of value and dumped the loss making business.

Awful for us though. 

Don’t agree. He knew he was on the hook for the £7m loans if the club went bust and it’s a lot easier for him to collect rent than spend five to ten years trying to redevelop a site which will always be problematic due to access.

So he does nothing, collects rent with little to no risk of the club going bust. He knows someone will almost certainly always come in and save the day.

a brilliant deal, it’s indisputable. 

So are we now saying RD was right, £50m is a realistic price and that it’s a case of waiting for the buyer to appear?

Not a chance of someone paying 50 mill in my opinion 

Covered End said:

I think the biggest reason is him saying we are going to blow this league out of the water next season, leading Adkins to point at The Champions Hull and say that will be us next season.

Plus of course he bragged about Premier League in 5 years and Europe not long after.

He made most fans believe him and then he spent little on the squad to achieve it and made things worse by making so many poor appointments (which he is still doing up to a few months ago).

He also started appointing family into positions of importance, when they are clearly not qualified.

He gives it that he knows it all and that this football lark is easy and you have to take what he says with a pinch of salt.

I say this as someone who is still  broadly supportive of him, but I have to say I'm not overly hopeful of getting in the other players we need to mount an automatic promotion challenge, which is what he effectively promised.

He has brought much of the opposition on himself through his unrealistic boasts and ill informed appointments.

That sums it up really 

swordfish said:

Airman Brown said:

I agree that investing in the academy is clearly the strategy but I’d be cautious about assuming that it is one which will necessarily work. The club hasn’t achieved category one status, but regardless of whether it does in future the academy has been doing pretty well already. The test of any investment in it is whether that actually leads to a net benefit through it doing better. 

It’s not just the capital cost but the extra salaries for staff required under category one.

Admittedly it’s hard to measure the marginal benefit of the investment, but it is important to remember that we don’t start from a position where the academy doesn’t exist or is failing.

In the meantime, L1 football damages the club’s long-term prospects (by losing fans) and the longer we play at this level the more damage it will do - it’s no good telling people to suck it up or get used to it. It’s clearly not right that a club with Charlton’s resources hasn’t been able to outperform a club like Accrington. It can only be bad management.

The club’s only immediate priority should be promotion back to the Championship. Remaining in L1 is failure of itself and will cost the owner a fortune.

I agree a different approach might improve the chances of success, but it might also cost more and potentially achieve the same end result as nothing is guaranteed. I also agree that it's down to bad management and a misconception as to what was needed to get out of the division that we find ourselves at such a low point, but as our status is set for this coming season, all the owner can do is try to put things right now and in the months ahead in order for us to mount a promotion challenge, even if he's not doing it in whatever way you think he should.

Incidentally, if we're being told to "suck it up or get used to it?" I must have missed it. Who said that and when? If that's what being inferred from the owner referring to making us 'sustainable', I agree that it's not doable at L1 level without turning us into a young player farm, but he's not planning for us to stay in L1 indefinitely is he? Or if he is, he shouldn't be for the reasons you stated.

My question to you is how do you personally think he should be approaching the footballing side of things now to achieve promotion back to the Championship, accepting of course that it's hardly your responsibility before you laugh and offer me a political style disclaimer.

IAirman Brown said:

I agree that investing in the academy is clearly the strategy but I’d be cautious about assuming that it is one which will necessarily work. The club hasn’t achieved category one status, but regardless of whether it does in future the academy has been doing pretty well already. The test of any investment in it is whether that actually leads to a net benefit through it doing better. 

It’s not just the capital cost but the extra salaries for staff required under category one.

Admittedly it’s hard to measure the marginal benefit of the investment, but it is important to remember that we don’t start from a position where the academy doesn’t exist or is failing.

In the meantime, L1 football damages the club’s long-term prospects (by losing fans) and the longer we play at this level the more damage it will do - it’s no good telling people to suck it up or get used to it. It’s clearly not right that a club with Charlton’s resources hasn’t been able to outperform a club like Accrington. It can only be bad management.

The club’s only immediate priority should be promotion back to the Championship. Remaining in L1 is failure of itself and will cost the 

MillwallFan said:

Dave2l said:

J BLOCK said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

J BLOCK said:

Airman Brown said:

bolloxbolder said:

Unfortunately I  really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard  gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.

That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.

No, someone with serious money works out it’s the cheapest way to acquire a Premier League club in London and blows RD and TS away. Such people are out there, but no promises.

Infuriating because on paper we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England, yet we end up with failing owner after failing owner. Look at Hull, team in the arse end of no where, bought recently by an owner who is backing them on the pitch.

we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England.  What have you been drinking this afternoon?

I'm not wrong 

Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy. 

No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.

Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even. 

Didn't do his homework.  A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain. 

Sorry, but where do you get that from? There’s plenty of genuinely big clubs who have dropped in to the third tier in recent history, and they’ve gone through difficult periods at that level, but big crowds kept coming through the gates. Sunderland, Ipswich, Leeds, Sheffield utd, Derby now, Southampton,Norwich,  just to name a few off the top of my head. 

Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties. 

Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you. 

And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be! 

Stu_of_Kunming said:

carly burn said:

Is there any obligation preventing TS from selling his lot for a quid? I can't see any. Would Roland get a say on what he does with the football club?

We're all just praying and hoping that he cares enough about it to not let that happen. But with his finances draining for f**k all reward it must be a closer and closer possibility?

Whoever paid the £ would still have to take on the liabilities, which is all TS really owns.