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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Fumbluff said:cafcfan said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Scoham said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Airman Brown said:Stu_of_Kunming said:MuttleyCAFC said:I always thought the reason we didn't really protest against the spivs is it was obvious they had no money and were trying to sell the club so what would be protesting for? To get them to do what they were trying to do? With Roland we were trying to get him to sell which he didn't really do. Instead he made a terrible business decision in offloading the playing part of the club to a bunch of crooks with an almost criminal lack of dilligence and as Airman has said, his shadow is still hanging over us.
The question is, is Sandgaard trying to drastically cut costs because he has realised he can't succeed or is he genuinely trying to make us profitable in League One? I don't think he can really believe that is possible but the cost cutting is most likely part of trying to offload a club with no real assets. So as that is the case, not sure what good protests against him would do, much as the spivs. I think this is clearly a decision that has been made relatively recently, as why appoint Garner if you were looking to get out?
If a case could be made for further protests, it would probably be back to Duchatelet but we gave that our best shot and the bloke is as mad as a hatter so it would almost certainly be a waste of our time and money. We have to hope somebody comes in. I think there is a lot of untapped potential in terms of growing the club but it has to be somebody with reasonably deep pockets. If we were to get to the promised land, I think the club would be very sellable given its location and catchment area and that is where the riches lie.
Awful for us though.
a brilliant deal, it’s indisputable.0 -
clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having it2 -
MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season (they had 19,000 there v you lot) and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.
Obviously with the trains fooked most of us didn't bother.3 -
Smithy said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having it0 -
MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season (they had 19,000 there v you lot) and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.
It is the filling of the away ends every week which would be one of the benefits of promotion to the Championship.3 -
JamesSeed said:Scoham said:JamesSeed said:Scoham said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Scoham said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Airman Brown said:Stu_of_Kunming said:MuttleyCAFC said:I always thought the reason we didn't really protest against the spivs is it was obvious they had no money and were trying to sell the club so what would be protesting for? To get them to do what they were trying to do? With Roland we were trying to get him to sell which he didn't really do. Instead he made a terrible business decision in offloading the playing part of the club to a bunch of crooks with an almost criminal lack of dilligence and as Airman has said, his shadow is still hanging over us.
The question is, is Sandgaard trying to drastically cut costs because he has realised he can't succeed or is he genuinely trying to make us profitable in League One? I don't think he can really believe that is possible but the cost cutting is most likely part of trying to offload a club with no real assets. So as that is the case, not sure what good protests against him would do, much as the spivs. I think this is clearly a decision that has been made relatively recently, as why appoint Garner if you were looking to get out?
If a case could be made for further protests, it would probably be back to Duchatelet but we gave that our best shot and the bloke is as mad as a hatter so it would almost certainly be a waste of our time and money. We have to hope somebody comes in. I think there is a lot of untapped potential in terms of growing the club but it has to be somebody with reasonably deep pockets. If we were to get to the promised land, I think the club would be very sellable given its location and catchment area and that is where the riches lie.
Awful for us though.
a brilliant deal, it’s indisputable.MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.I think one issue is that there is a generation of Charlton fans who experienced the Premier League years, and it’s hard to maintain morale when stuck in a third division that’s not easy to escape from, especially when we’ve not had decent owners for such a long time. It’s human nature, rather than entitlement I think.A club’s history plays a part in how big a club is seen to be, and our history isn’t too shabby. But unless we find an owner as willing to invest as yours has done, or Sandgaard changes his strategy, it’s hard to see a way out of our current ‘mediocre’ situation. If we do find a way, then I can see our gates improving at the same time as our status.4 -
Covered End said:MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season (they had 19,000 there v you lot) and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.
Obviously with the trains fooked most of us didn't bother.0 -
MillwallFan said:Covered End said:MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season (they had 19,000 there v you lot) and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.
Obviously with the trains fooked most of us didn't bother.
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Ilovelondontown said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having it17 -
MillwallFan said:Covered End said:MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season (they had 19,000 there v you lot) and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.
Obviously with the trains fooked most of us didn't bother.1 - Sponsored links:
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The only way for an owner of our club to make money on owning us is to get us into the premier league. Stadium or no stadium it is essentially an all or nothing gamble on doing that. If someone has £50m to gamble on it they are better off doing it without a stadium and spending that money on the team tbh.
My assumption was this was sandgaards plan.. fund 5 years of losses and spend enough to move up the divisions but I don't actually believe he is wealthy enough to do that without bankrupting himself. The talk of break even so soon is disappointing and only points to a man wanting to get out tbh. Let's hope he sells to proper gambler with deep pockets and not a bunch of crooks.0 -
Airman Brown said:DOUCHER said:i've heard a rumour as to the real reason Olly was 'let go' but won't be posting it on here - i suspect loads have heard the same rumour - its nothing very surprising / shocking and could be completely untrue for all i know12
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ElfsborgAddick said:Dave2l said:The club is waiting for Roland to die.
I don't wish the bloke any harm. I hope he passes away like normal and when the time is right.
It will then move on and the frustration of all off field bollocks problems, will be minimised at least a little bit!
Could be 5 years, could be 15
If he's wise, then he wouldn't want to get involved.
Take the money and enjoy the millions1 -
Weegie Addick said:Lewis Coaches said:Weegie Addick said:CAST met with TS in early August. Write up here where he was explicit re the financial plan and also commented re the Academy / Cat 1.https://www.castrust.org/2022/08/cast-meeting-with-thomas-sandgaard-2/I believe at the outset he had a set amount of ££ to invest in his football project. I suspect we have hit that ceiling hence the focus now on breakeven.It’s a tough gig being a Charlton fan right now. If you care about the future of this club, then stump up a fiver and join the Supporters’ Trust if you’re not already in. We have around 2,700 members - about 10% of a full Valley. Our mission is to protect, preserve and promote CAFC for this and future generations. Regardless of who the owner is.
I have read this report and still do not understand the situation re Cat1 status still being open to join.
My understanding was that we had missed the boat and the next opportunity would be May 2025.
Why was this not picked up or am I incorrect.
I had spoken to Thomas about this in July.0 -
MillwallFan said:Ilovelondontown said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having it
Many Millwall posters don't seem to appreciate that 'The Trainspotters' are a bigger club!
Clarity from one of their own 'Lions' would help to clear up this unfortunate misunderstanding...5 -
Covered End said:MillwallFan said:Covered End said:MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season (they had 19,000 there v you lot) and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.
Obviously with the trains fooked most of us didn't bother.2 -
Lewis Coaches said:Weegie Addick said:Lewis Coaches said:Weegie Addick said:CAST met with TS in early August. Write up here where he was explicit re the financial plan and also commented re the Academy / Cat 1.https://www.castrust.org/2022/08/cast-meeting-with-thomas-sandgaard-2/I believe at the outset he had a set amount of ££ to invest in his football project. I suspect we have hit that ceiling hence the focus now on breakeven.It’s a tough gig being a Charlton fan right now. If you care about the future of this club, then stump up a fiver and join the Supporters’ Trust if you’re not already in. We have around 2,700 members - about 10% of a full Valley. Our mission is to protect, preserve and promote CAFC for this and future generations. Regardless of who the owner is.
I have read this report and still do not understand the situation re Cat1 status still being open to join.
My understanding was that we had missed the boat and the next opportunity would be May 2025.
Why was this not picked up or am I incorrect.
I had spoken to Thomas about this in July.0 -
RickAddick said:MillwallFan said:Ilovelondontown said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having it
Many Millwall posters don't seem to appreciate that 'The Trainspotters' are a bigger club!
Clarity from one of their own 'Lions' would help to clear up this unfortunate misunderstanding...3 -
eaststandmike said:Covered End said:MillwallFan said:Covered End said:MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season (they had 19,000 there v you lot) and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.
Obviously with the trains fooked most of us didn't bother.5 -
Ilovelondontown said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
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MillwallFan said:JamesSeed said:Scoham said:JamesSeed said:Scoham said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Scoham said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Airman Brown said:Stu_of_Kunming said:MuttleyCAFC said:I always thought the reason we didn't really protest against the spivs is it was obvious they had no money and were trying to sell the club so what would be protesting for? To get them to do what they were trying to do? With Roland we were trying to get him to sell which he didn't really do. Instead he made a terrible business decision in offloading the playing part of the club to a bunch of crooks with an almost criminal lack of dilligence and as Airman has said, his shadow is still hanging over us.
The question is, is Sandgaard trying to drastically cut costs because he has realised he can't succeed or is he genuinely trying to make us profitable in League One? I don't think he can really believe that is possible but the cost cutting is most likely part of trying to offload a club with no real assets. So as that is the case, not sure what good protests against him would do, much as the spivs. I think this is clearly a decision that has been made relatively recently, as why appoint Garner if you were looking to get out?
If a case could be made for further protests, it would probably be back to Duchatelet but we gave that our best shot and the bloke is as mad as a hatter so it would almost certainly be a waste of our time and money. We have to hope somebody comes in. I think there is a lot of untapped potential in terms of growing the club but it has to be somebody with reasonably deep pockets. If we were to get to the promised land, I think the club would be very sellable given its location and catchment area and that is where the riches lie.
Awful for us though.
a brilliant deal, it’s indisputable.MillwallFan said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
I'm not having itTaking Bolton as an example, seeing as you mention them. They’ve had a pretty rough 10 or so years as well and was only in administration in 2019. They sold over 13,000 season tickets for this season and will probably bring double to the valley that you took to them on Saturday.I think one issue is that there is a generation of Charlton fans who experienced the Premier League years, and it’s hard to maintain morale when stuck in a third division that’s not easy to escape from, especially when we’ve not had decent owners for such a long time. It’s human nature, rather than entitlement I think.A club’s history plays a part in how big a club is seen to be, and our history isn’t too shabby. But unless we find an owner as willing to invest as yours has done, or Sandgaard changes his strategy, it’s hard to see a way out of our current ‘mediocre’ situation. If we do find a way, then I can see our gates improving at the same time as our status.
Yes, currently you’re a more successful, much better run club than we are, and your future is far more secure than ours. It’s only historically, and potentially, that we are a (slightly?) bigger club than you, I guess.
We have more important things to worry about right now though. Mind you, we all do.3 -
Ilovelondontown said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
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MuttleyCAFC said:Ilovelondontown said:clb74 said:Ilovelondontown said:MillwallFan said:Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:ElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:Airman Brown said:bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
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Maybe they have been built away from your daily route0
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My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.7
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How do we move forwards from this situation so we are in a positive situation in say (the magic) 5 years @Airman Brown?0
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mendonca said:How do we move forwards from this situation so we are in a positive situation in say (the magic) 5 years @Airman Brown?20
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academy products bear fruit perhaps, sales and or shrewd transfer business, luck..?0
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mendonca said:How do we move forwards from this situation so we are in a positive situation in say (the magic) 5 years @Airman Brown?7
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Airman Brown said:Stu_of_Kunming said:Airman Brown said:Stu_of_Kunming said:MuttleyCAFC said:I always thought the reason we didn't really protest against the spivs is it was obvious they had no money and were trying to sell the club so what would be protesting for? To get them to do what they were trying to do? With Roland we were trying to get him to sell which he didn't really do. Instead he made a terrible business decision in offloading the playing part of the club to a bunch of crooks with an almost criminal lack of dilligence and as Airman has said, his shadow is still hanging over us.
The question is, is Sandgaard trying to drastically cut costs because he has realised he can't succeed or is he genuinely trying to make us profitable in League One? I don't think he can really believe that is possible but the cost cutting is most likely part of trying to offload a club with no real assets. So as that is the case, not sure what good protests against him would do, much as the spivs. I think this is clearly a decision that has been made relatively recently, as why appoint Garner if you were looking to get out?
If a case could be made for further protests, it would probably be back to Duchatelet but we gave that our best shot and the bloke is as mad as a hatter so it would almost certainly be a waste of our time and money. We have to hope somebody comes in. I think there is a lot of untapped potential in terms of growing the club but it has to be somebody with reasonably deep pockets. If we were to get to the promised land, I think the club would be very sellable given its location and catchment area and that is where the riches lie.
Awful for us though.
a brilliant deal, it’s indisputable.
This is why some of us came to believe admin was an option in 2020. Literally dozens of league clubs have entered into it since the 1980s and all have survived, most without the need for phoenix clubs. No club of Charlton’s size has ever had to go down that route.
The main unprotected creditor was Roland bloody Duchatelet. Why would we want to protect him?
i am not saying it was a good option, just that it may prove to have been the least worst. It is complicated by the stadium split but that’s not a unique issue. Talk of “oblivion” is overstated when you had multiple parties willing to pay tens of millions to acquire the club.
Now accepting the above came with a risk, of whatever scale you choose to believe, you can argue Sandgaard removed it. But he has not resolved the problem. The club is much less likely to go into administration under him than ESI because he is the main creditor, so arguably his ownership, while well intended, has made the strategic position worse.
The ESI deal was not a secure one for RD - I agree he is in a better position with TS. But is the latter’s deal any good for the club?
Pulling a Club out of Administration is a different proposition to what Thomas did, but as Roland held title to the Valley and Sparrows Lane, Andrew Barclay or A.N. Other would still have had to contend with buying that off him at an unrealistic price. So without Thomas, it's still unlikely we'd have had Barclay running the show now.
It might however have been some individual/consortium prepared to pay silly money to Roland, or failing that, prepared to take on the running of the Club stripped of assets, including the better players who'd probably have to be sold off during the Administration Process, in which case it's arguable whether we'd be better off now. We finished seventh, but with a weakened squad and a points deduction, we might have had a very grim season.
Does that look about right to you? Please correct me if I'm wrong.2