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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Agreed if we get back in pl we will sell out as do most teams that get there, all I’m say is a lot of the new fans will disappear quickly when we start falling down leagues and our smaller hardcore will be leftJamesSeed said:
And yet when we made it to the PL we sold out, from a previous low average attendance. So no reason why the same wouldn’t/couldn’t happen again, not necessarily just with old fans returning, but with a mixture of new fans, those wanting to watch Premier League football, and some whose families has always ‘been Charlton’ returning to the fold (fairweathers).Ilovelondontown said:
I’m not having a pop at our support, since late 70s upto pl years our support wasn’t very good; I appreciate selhurst & Upton pk played a massive part but even when we returned yes we sold out but it was a limited capacity; then in pl yes we sold out most seasons but as with a lot of clubs once we went down those extra supporters drifted away; and now we’re back with our hard core. I agree with millwallfan that because of pl years some of our supporters think we have thousands of fans ready to come back; which I don’t think we haveclb74 said:
Mediocre.Ilovelondontown said:
Think this is spot on we’re not as big as some supporters think we are, other than pl days our support is pretty mediocre, most teams that make it to pl will sell out attracting new support but if you start going down league’s it’s just the hard core left as we are seeing now, most teams or our size will sell out at Wembley , if we got there again this season we will take a lot longer to sell our allocationMillwallFan said:
Sorry, but where do you get that from? There’s plenty of genuinely big clubs who have dropped in to the third tier in recent history, and they’ve gone through difficult periods at that level, but big crowds kept coming through the gates. Sunderland, Ipswich, Leeds, Sheffield utd, Derby now, Southampton,Norwich, just to name a few off the top of my head.Dave2l said:J BLOCK said:
I'm not wrongElfsborgAddick said:J BLOCK said:
Infuriating because on paper we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England, yet we end up with failing owner after failing owner. Look at Hull, team in the arse end of no where, bought recently by an owner who is backing them on the pitch.Airman Brown said:
No, someone with serious money works out it’s the cheapest way to acquire a Premier League club in London and blows RD and TS away. Such people are out there, but no promises.bolloxbolder said:Unfortunately I really fear for our future. Sandgaard owns nothing at the club apart from the name. Hopefully someone like @Airman Brown can dissuade me of this view, but unless there is a rich person like Barclay around, the only way Sandgaard gets rid is to sell it on to chancers like Bassini and Southall.
That's my nightmare scenario. It could get a lot, lot worse.
we are one of the most attractive clubs to buy in England. What have you been drinking this afternoon?
Potential huge investment. Our fanbase is certainly big enough. We are an attractive club to buy.
No owner has the bollocks, courage or dedication to give it the required effort.
Its now just someone shooting himself in the foot by only attempting to break even.
Didn't do his homework. A few years ago he seemed confident and it appeared that he at least had a brain.Charlton aren’t in the same league when you compare your fan base with those mentioned above, and plenty others as well. Even in your PL days your crowds had to be bolstered by shipping bus loads of plastics in from the Home Counties.Seriously, the delusion that some of you have (not all, granted) that charlton are somehow a big club or a sleeping giant, it’s not how the rest of the footballing world view you.And no, we’re not either. But we don’t claim to be!
You're digging out our support?
How many season tickets did you expect us to sell this season after the last few seasons weve had?
How many fans did we have up at Bolton Saturday?
Over the previous years what sort of numbers have we taken to Bolton?
After the last half a dozen seasons weve had and still 8000 season tickets sold as well as taking over 600 to Bolton you're saying our support is mediocre.
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Tuned in for the Cambridge game early and that other chap was sat there with an iPad talking through the show into a coms in his ear. Just him sat at the desk, called the mrs in to say “I don’t think they realise it’s on”
Last season they did the same with Minto and Holland, was having a chat and mentioned TS. Minto then got a call to say you’re on air.0 -
The Gillingham game was available in the UK so that issue was more than likely a gremlin. Some things ring true based on what we know but some things don't make sense. Garner may indeed be fed up - he can't be happy with the striking options he has but would he tell somebody who spread this, and the same source seems to have spoken to Gallen too.Cafc43v3r said:Not sure if it's a sign of incompetence or something more worrying but the video for the Gillingham game was "free" for the first 25 minutes, or so, is someone that doesn't know what they are doing in charge so the blocked countries element just isn't working?
Anyway I'll just wait for the usual suspect to turn up and tell us how Gallen is just deadwood holding Martin’s vision back and that its refreshing how Thomas is standing up to the EFL.
The work permit is a new one but we have multiple sources telling us Thomas' wife is working for the club. The more I think about removing the block, it doesn't make sense. My son did access a game I bought from Northern Ireland put he used my account as I also watched it from 'abroad'. He didn't have a VPN but that could be a gremlin too. You can't make money out of doing this without promoting it surely.
I'm not saying it is true or false, but it wouldn't be too difficult to create such a rumour based on things we already know and adding to them. But not sure why anybody would want to do that.3 -
It's a strange one. Gallen comes across well and has had some success with us and seems to be well regarded in the game. He has had to deal with some grade A fuckwits messing in places they should not mess in, who I would expect have, moved goalposts, delayed and pulled the rug from under him on more than one occasion at the last minute. Would I be sorry to see him go?0
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Was nothing without Kevin Mighty Mouse.Airman Brown said:1 -
I can’t remember his name but an analysis guy at SL mentored MS for a month/six weeks and was of the first to be shown the door.KBslittlesis said:
I get Jokat but Gallen has been here longer through arguably more of a circus & just cracked on. He’s getting a good wage. Unless TS decides he’s not worth the money & gets rid I just can’t see him walking personally.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Maybe the same reason that Brian Jokat didn't stay around for long.KBslittlesis said:And why would Gallen walk when he’s getting a good wage?
That doesn’t make much sense to me 🤔🤷♀️But then, what do I know 🤷♀️I’d hope SG is clued up enough to transfer his contact list to a personal phone, if he is going.2 -
To find a mole? 🤔MuttleyCAFC said:
The Gillingham game was available in the UK so that issue was more than likely a gremlin. Some things ring true based on what we know but some things don't make sense. Garner may indeed be fed up - he can't be happy with the striking options he has but would he tell somebody who spread this, and the same source seems to have spoken to Gallen too.Cafc43v3r said:Not sure if it's a sign of incompetence or something more worrying but the video for the Gillingham game was "free" for the first 25 minutes, or so, is someone that doesn't know what they are doing in charge so the blocked countries element just isn't working?
Anyway I'll just wait for the usual suspect to turn up and tell us how Gallen is just deadwood holding Martin’s vision back and that its refreshing how Thomas is standing up to the EFL.
The work permit is a new one but we have multiple sources telling us Thomas' wife is working for the club. The more I think about removing the block, it doesn't make sense. My son did access a game I bought from Northern Ireland put he used my account as I also watched it from 'abroad'. He didn't have a VPN but that could be a gremlin too. You can't make money out of doing this without promoting it surely.
I'm not saying it is true or false, but it wouldn't be too difficult to create such a rumour based on things we already know and adding to them. But not sure why anybody would want to do that.1 -
Could it be that he's unable to do his job properly/without interference/ to his own high standards etc and as such, is in the firing line ( no pun intended) through no fault of his own ?Athletico Charlton said:Airman Brown said:
That he’s looking around. Wouldn’t have put it out there on its own as it’s just gossip, but it came from elsewhere.FAVADDICK said:So what have you heard about gallen rick ???
I am undecided about Gallen and how good he is but when his only real successful (in monetary terms) acquisition /trading is Macaulay Bonne after, what, 4-5 years at the club I doubt he will have a huge list of employers prepared to pay him well.
On the other hand, him leaving would leave TS and MS in charge of recruitment and you can forget anything happening in January.
Or maybe he's unhappy with the manner in which staff are being "made redundant" and is looking to jump before he's pushed?
I'm pretty sure that Steve would be regarded as a credit to our club but if he's working under limitations - if his job description has been changed for instance-then he has to think of his future & with his credentials, should find a post where he's appreciated without too much of a problem (IMO)
Pure speculation on my part, of course, but lifeboats are fast disappearing on the good ship CAFC it would seem.....0 - Sponsored links:
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Brett ShawT_C_E said:
I can’t remember his name but an analysis guy at SL mentored MS for a month/six weeks and was of the first to be shown the door.KBslittlesis said:
I get Jokat but Gallen has been here longer through arguably more of a circus & just cracked on. He’s getting a good wage. Unless TS decides he’s not worth the money & gets rid I just can’t see him walking personally.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Maybe the same reason that Brian Jokat didn't stay around for long.KBslittlesis said:And why would Gallen walk when he’s getting a good wage?
That doesn’t make much sense to me 🤔🤷♀️But then, what do I know 🤷♀️I’d hope SG is clued up enough to transfer his contact list to a personal phone, if he is going.
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Thank you. 👍Airman Brown said:
Brett ShawT_C_E said:
I can’t remember his name but an analysis guy at SL mentored MS for a month/six weeks and was of the first to be shown the door.KBslittlesis said:
I get Jokat but Gallen has been here longer through arguably more of a circus & just cracked on. He’s getting a good wage. Unless TS decides he’s not worth the money & gets rid I just can’t see him walking personally.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Maybe the same reason that Brian Jokat didn't stay around for long.KBslittlesis said:And why would Gallen walk when he’s getting a good wage?
That doesn’t make much sense to me 🤔🤷♀️But then, what do I know 🤷♀️I’d hope SG is clued up enough to transfer his contact list to a personal phone, if he is going.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:Not sure if it's a sign of incompetence or something more worrying but the video for the Gillingham game was "free" for the first 25 minutes, or so, is someone that doesn't know what they are doing in charge so the blocked countries element just isn't working?
Anyway I'll just wait for the usual suspect to turn up and tell us how Gallen is just deadwood holding Martin’s vision back and that its refreshing how Thomas is standing up to the EFL.
Just makes Gallen's tea....
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Not what I meant, I’m saying Gallen going without being properly replaced is very likely to make things worse.Gribbo said:3 -
Is TS still able to discern the difference between ‘better’ and ‘worse’ ?0
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I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
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Or indeed "richer" or "poorer" ?EugenesAxe said:Is TS still able to discern the difference between ‘better’ and ‘worse’ ?
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This is it, I’m concerned he’s entering megalomaniac mode and got his blinkers onFanny Fanackapan said:
Or indeed "richer" or "poorer" ?EugenesAxe said:Is TS still able to discern the difference between ‘better’ and ‘worse’ ?0 -
That’s a bit harsh. He’s also got a Rolodex with Jonathan under J and Leko under LJac_52 said:FAVADDICK said:So what have you heard about gallen rick ???
That he walks around with a large briefcase that actually only contains a single sheet of A4 paper that has the QPR phone number on it in size 72 comic sans.1 -
There's a dark angle being pursued here.
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Hmmmmmmm
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I've got no idea whether Gallen is actively seeking another job. I do know he was offered a job around March time, which he turned down. It's quite possible the summer means he's had enough.1
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Understand Gallen is presently on holiday.1
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Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
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And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
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I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.3 -
ETCYTcarly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.3 -
carly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.The free kick that never was at home v Fulham that lead to their last minute equaliser. We would have stayed up were it not for that.31 -
DamoNorthStand said:carly burn said:
I always try and pin point the exact moment in time that started the avalanche of disappointment we've faced over the years. The sliding door moment.Weegie Addick said:
And one person who feels this v keenly is Jon Fortune who grimaces at the ‘sha la la la’ song…because of what came after: ‘Dowie and all that’.carly burn said:
Was watching the palace academy documentary earlier and was thinking the exact same thing.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I swear to God, if somebody had asked me back in 2006 after "we sent the Palace down", what future I wished for them, I honestly don't know if I could, in all my wildest immature sadistic fantasies, have come up with a more horrendous shitshow than we've had at Charlton (barring a couple of outlier seasons).
I am hoping those latest tweets are some attention seeking loser trying to make mischief, but I just can't tell anymore.
And every time I'm having one of these flash backs from hell, Richard Murray's Weasley face always pops up in my mind.The free kick that never was at home v Fulham that lead to their last minute equaliser. We would have stayed up were it not for that.
Swear there was a game against Watford that we drew as well where we should have had a penalty but got given a free kick on the edge of the box.
That Fulham game haunts me though. They got given a throw in I remember and scored seconds later. Should have been our throw.
The sliding doors moment was definitely the appointment of Dowie and giving him riches Curbs could only dream of to waste on absolute shit. Traore getting sent off for 2 yellows in his first game against West ham after 30mins or something was a portent of doom.
Pardew was also a disaster with his striker signing spree. I honestly believe we could have got promoted straight back up if we'd just kept Lisbie in the championship.
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Doesn’t mean that much I fear. It’s very expensive for Sunderland fans, and they’d had several trips to Wembley around that time. More of a rarity for us, and much cheaper.MuttleyCAFC said:
I'm not so sure. We took more fans to Wembley than Sunderland. The problem is, you have to keep improving the product which was beyond us then and has been so since the days of Curbs.InspectorSands said:
I know people who have other football allegiances but were reeled in by ticket deals - particularly v cheap kids' tickets - and live within walking distance/ within earshot of The Valley so travelling isn't a bother.MuttleyCAFC said:
You know far more than me but I would have thought the fact we are no competition for the clubs many might support, supporters of big clubs may be attracted to watching us as well as people who want to take their kids to the match. If there is an increase in potential customers, there is a potential increase in fans. It has been reported that there has been and the area seems a lot more attractive than it did a few years ago. I thought this might be due to demographic changes.Airman Brown said:My point is that houses don’t support football clubs; people do. But people come with prior allegiances. Proximity matters but not as much as people think, otherwise Floyd Road and Harvey Gardens would be hotbeds.
Of course this means nothing if you are not an appealing option and pricing and winning football are probably key factors. Again you will know more than me as you have been there and bought the T-shirt. I do remember that when we had our recent play off adventure, quite a lot of fans of other clubs attended. I know of an Arsenal fan who really enjoyed it all and it could have been something to capitalise on.
Those people do exist, but I'm not sure there are that many and many will have been converted already. If they wanted to move to the area now may be priced out, and the majority of new housing that's been built close by isn't family housing - so there won't be reams of people coming in thinking "what shall we do with the kids this Saturday? Let's give the football a go", even if they can afford the £15 we're now charging 11/12-year-olds.1
