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God Save Our Queen - Funeral will be Mon 19th September (p26)
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1745. The Skye Boat Song is a Jacobite Rebellion thing. The person who you call Bonnie Prince Charlie or The Young Pretender depending on where your sympathies lie. Depending on your perspective, 1745 was either a romantic attempt to restore the true king to his throne or a foolish rebellion in aid of a king who would almost certainly have ruled worse than the one we had, which set back any attempts to heal rifts between Catholics and Protestants a long way.seth plum said:
What are the Catholics and Scots being forgiven for?Swindon_Addick said:
Given how many times the pipe band played the Skye Boat Song during the procession, I think it's safe to say the Scots and Catholics have been forgiven by now.cantersaddick said:
I enjoyed the 2nd verse a lot. Think we should sing it at sporting events.Sillybilly said:Go on then, how many of us knew the second verse of God Save the King?
Apparently there are loads of verses including one about defeating the Scottish and Catholics. Not sure that one would have the same feel.
Personally I'm Catholic and loathe Jacobites with a passion. So I'm not a big fan of the song, even when used by people who clearly don't have any hint of Jacobite sympathies. Nonetheless, I now have the unusual arrangement of it that they were using stuck on loop in my head.0 -
Dont bite to itSwindon_Addick said:
1745. The Skye Boat Song is a Jacobite Rebellion thing. The person who you call Bonnie Prince Charlie or The Young Pretender depending on where your sympathies lie. Depending on your perspective, 1745 was either a romantic attempt to restore the true king to his throne or a foolish rebellion in aid of a king who would almost certainly have ruled worse than the one we had, which set back any attempts to heal rifts between Catholics and Protestants a long way.seth plum said:
What are the Catholics and Scots being forgiven for?Swindon_Addick said:
Given how many times the pipe band played the Skye Boat Song during the procession, I think it's safe to say the Scots and Catholics have been forgiven by now.cantersaddick said:
I enjoyed the 2nd verse a lot. Think we should sing it at sporting events.Sillybilly said:Go on then, how many of us knew the second verse of God Save the King?
Apparently there are loads of verses including one about defeating the Scottish and Catholics. Not sure that one would have the same feel.
Personally I'm Catholic and loathe Jacobites with a passion. So I'm not a big fan of the song, even when used by people who clearly don't have any hint of Jacobite sympathies. Nonetheless, I now have the unusual arrangement of it that they were using stuck on loop in my head.0 -
I wonder if Harry, having become a "Royal" again for a few days, might be reconsidering some of his actions, including that book he's writing0
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I like the idea of someone in 2022 loathing Jacobites with a passion!Swindon_Addick said:
1745. The Skye Boat Song is a Jacobite Rebellion thing. The person who you call Bonnie Prince Charlie or The Young Pretender depending on where your sympathies lie. Depending on your perspective, 1745 was either a romantic attempt to restore the true king to his throne or a foolish rebellion in aid of a king who would almost certainly have ruled worse than the one we had, which set back any attempts to heal rifts between Catholics and Protestants a long way.seth plum said:
What are the Catholics and Scots being forgiven for?Swindon_Addick said:
Given how many times the pipe band played the Skye Boat Song during the procession, I think it's safe to say the Scots and Catholics have been forgiven by now.cantersaddick said:
I enjoyed the 2nd verse a lot. Think we should sing it at sporting events.Sillybilly said:Go on then, how many of us knew the second verse of God Save the King?
Apparently there are loads of verses including one about defeating the Scottish and Catholics. Not sure that one would have the same feel.
Personally I'm Catholic and loathe Jacobites with a passion. So I'm not a big fan of the song, even when used by people who clearly don't have any hint of Jacobite sympathies. Nonetheless, I now have the unusual arrangement of it that they were using stuck on loop in my head.My mothers side of the family are from Skye so it’s a familiar song from my childhood, don’t think there was much political intent behind it! I liked hearing it yesterday, reminded me of being a kid.1 -
I tend to associate The Skye Boat Song with Roger Whittaker!2
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The King ended up being William of Orange from the European mainland.Swindon_Addick said:
1745. The Skye Boat Song is a Jacobite Rebellion thing. The person who you call Bonnie Prince Charlie or The Young Pretender depending on where your sympathies lie. Depending on your perspective, 1745 was either a romantic attempt to restore the true king to his throne or a foolish rebellion in aid of a king who would almost certainly have ruled worse than the one we had, which set back any attempts to heal rifts between Catholics and Protestants a long way.seth plum said:
What are the Catholics and Scots being forgiven for?Swindon_Addick said:
Given how many times the pipe band played the Skye Boat Song during the procession, I think it's safe to say the Scots and Catholics have been forgiven by now.cantersaddick said:
I enjoyed the 2nd verse a lot. Think we should sing it at sporting events.Sillybilly said:Go on then, how many of us knew the second verse of God Save the King?
Apparently there are loads of verses including one about defeating the Scottish and Catholics. Not sure that one would have the same feel.
Personally I'm Catholic and loathe Jacobites with a passion. So I'm not a big fan of the song, even when used by people who clearly don't have any hint of Jacobite sympathies. Nonetheless, I now have the unusual arrangement of it that they were using stuck on loop in my head.1 -
for the 1st time in many years bought 2 newspapers this morning to keep for my little neices who are 2 and 3 and will give them when im an old man i hope3
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I love British history with a passion:
When I was young I thought Jacobites were small crackers ! An easy mistake to make when you are seven.
Jacobites as has already been stated were supporters of Bonnie Prince Charlie.
but not a lot of people know this ?
Jacobus is the Latin name for James.
You had to win on the battlefield to gain your Spurs; a big Arsenal helped and the problem for Harold Godwinson was after the great away victory at Stamford bridge the fixture pile up meant he had to play the next round too soon when his men were exhausted and there were no subs in those days so William the Bastard (Only becoming the conqueror in later years) with a decent wind in their sails reached the south coast and the rest is history with 1066 being a catalyst for change.
Moral to the story is always be on the winning side or else your body will be slain and found under a car park like Richard III.
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"Uncle Hater, what's a newspaper?"palarsehater said:for the 1st time in many years bought 2 newspapers this morning to keep for my little neices who are 2 and 3 and will give them when im an old man i hope4 -
Sorry, as a British history buff I’m going to have to give you an “F” grade here.seth plum said:
The King ended up being William of Orange from the European mainland.Swindon_Addick said:
1745. The Skye Boat Song is a Jacobite Rebellion thing. The person who you call Bonnie Prince Charlie or The Young Pretender depending on where your sympathies lie. Depending on your perspective, 1745 was either a romantic attempt to restore the true king to his throne or a foolish rebellion in aid of a king who would almost certainly have ruled worse than the one we had, which set back any attempts to heal rifts between Catholics and Protestants a long way.seth plum said:
What are the Catholics and Scots being forgiven for?Swindon_Addick said:
Given how many times the pipe band played the Skye Boat Song during the procession, I think it's safe to say the Scots and Catholics have been forgiven by now.cantersaddick said:
I enjoyed the 2nd verse a lot. Think we should sing it at sporting events.Sillybilly said:Go on then, how many of us knew the second verse of God Save the King?
Apparently there are loads of verses including one about defeating the Scottish and Catholics. Not sure that one would have the same feel.
Personally I'm Catholic and loathe Jacobites with a passion. So I'm not a big fan of the song, even when used by people who clearly don't have any hint of Jacobite sympathies. Nonetheless, I now have the unusual arrangement of it that they were using stuck on loop in my head.
King William of Orange came to the throne during the “glorious revolution” in the late 1600’s (glorious if you weren’t a Catholic) which came about after James II was booted out because of his religion.There were a couple of Jacobite (so called because they supported James II and his descendants claims to the crowns of England, Scotland and Ireland) rebellions over the following decades but the Jacobite rebellion made famous in Skye boat song was circa 70 years after the glorious revolution when Bonnie Prince Charlie, grandson of James II, tried to retake the throne for his family through force. He did pretty well to start with, defeating the British army (the Act of Union had taken place by this point to unify England & Scotland politically) across a couple of battles in Scotland and controlled most of that country. He got a bit ahead of himself by invading England although he did make it as far as the midlands (Derby I think) before turning back. Ultimately he was defeated at the battle of Culloden in the highlands. Culloden is miscast as an English military victory over Scotland, it wasn’t really, it was the British army (including a large number of Scottish soldiers at the battle itself) putting down a rebellion.3 -
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The Guardian I assume?!palarsehater said:for the 1st time in many years bought 2 newspapers this morning to keep for my little neices who are 2 and 3 and will give them when im an old man i hope0 -
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Including my ancestors - the Clan Chief was actually killed at Falkirk three months before Culloden.se9addick said:
Sorry, as a British history buff I’m going to have to give you an “F” grade here.seth plum said:
The King ended up being William of Orange from the European mainland.Swindon_Addick said:
1745. The Skye Boat Song is a Jacobite Rebellion thing. The person who you call Bonnie Prince Charlie or The Young Pretender depending on where your sympathies lie. Depending on your perspective, 1745 was either a romantic attempt to restore the true king to his throne or a foolish rebellion in aid of a king who would almost certainly have ruled worse than the one we had, which set back any attempts to heal rifts between Catholics and Protestants a long way.seth plum said:
What are the Catholics and Scots being forgiven for?Swindon_Addick said:
Given how many times the pipe band played the Skye Boat Song during the procession, I think it's safe to say the Scots and Catholics have been forgiven by now.cantersaddick said:
I enjoyed the 2nd verse a lot. Think we should sing it at sporting events.Sillybilly said:Go on then, how many of us knew the second verse of God Save the King?
Apparently there are loads of verses including one about defeating the Scottish and Catholics. Not sure that one would have the same feel.
Personally I'm Catholic and loathe Jacobites with a passion. So I'm not a big fan of the song, even when used by people who clearly don't have any hint of Jacobite sympathies. Nonetheless, I now have the unusual arrangement of it that they were using stuck on loop in my head.
King William of Orange came to the throne during the “glorious revolution” in the late 1600’s (glorious if you weren’t a Catholic) which came about after James II was booted out because of his religion.There were a couple of Jacobite (so called because they supported James II and his descendants claims to the crowns of England, Scotland and Ireland) rebellions over the following decades but the Jacobite rebellion made famous in Skye boat song was circa 70 years after the glorious revolution when Bonnie Prince Charlie, grandson of James II, tried to retake the throne for his family through force. He did pretty well to start with, defeating the British army (the Act of Union had taken place by this point to unify England & Scotland politically) across a couple of battles in Scotland and controlled most of that country. He got a bit ahead of himself by invading England although he did make it as far as the midlands (Derby I think) before turning back. Ultimately he was defeated at the battle of Culloden in the highlands. Culloden is miscast as an English military victory over Scotland, it wasn’t really, it was the British army (including a large number of Scottish soldiers at the battle itself) putting down a rebellion.
In fact the clan fought with the King at Culloden and with Robert the Bruce at Bannockburn. I wish the skill of picking the winners rubbed off on me!0 -
not that its that important but the daily star and the daily mirror.se9addick said:
The Guardian I assume?!palarsehater said:for the 1st time in many years bought 2 newspapers this morning to keep for my little neices who are 2 and 3 and will give them when im an old man i hope2 -
Some of the newspaper covers this morning were stunning to look at.0
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Just read on Sky News that approx 26.2m people watched the funeral in the UK.
If true, then it’s the most watched broadcast in this country in many years.
Looking down the list, the last thing to surpass that, quite bizarrely, was a New Years Day episode of Eastenders.
However, it’s a bigger number than Live Aid or Boris’ first lockdown announcement.0 -
Somebody at work today said it was the most watched televised event globally in history. Not sure if that’s true.cafctom said:Just read on Sky News that approx 26.2m people watched the funeral in the UK.
If true, then it’s the most watched broadcast in this country in many years.
Looking down the list, the last thing to surpass that, quite bizarrely, was a New Years Day episode of Eastenders.
However, it’s a bigger number than Live Aid or Boris’ first lockdown announcement.0 -
cafctom said:Just read on Sky News that approx 26.2m people watched the funeral in the UK.
If true, then it’s the most watched broadcast in this country in many years.
Looking down the list, the last thing to surpass that, quite bizarrely, was a New Years Day episode of Eastenders.
However, it’s a bigger number than Live Aid or Boris’ first lockdown announcement.A peak audience of around 28 million viewers watched the Queen's funeral in the UK on Monday, making it one of the country's biggest ever TV events.
More than 50 UK channels broadcast the service, as the nation paused to pay a final farewell to Queen Elizabeth II.
The overall audinence peaked at 12:25 BST, as her coffin was carried through the streets from Westminster Abbey.
Around 20 million people watched on BBC One at that time, while ITV's audience numbers peaked at 5.3 million.
The overnight figures from ratings body Barb do not include all viewers watching through streaming apps like BBC iPlayer and ITV Player, or those who saw it on big screens outdoors or in cinemas, churches or pubs.
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Interesting seating arrangements.
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Biden in the bleaches is karma for his motorcade special treatment.MrWalker said:Interesting seating arrangements.0 -
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The Queen of Denmark is (very distant) family. Pretty much all European monarchs are related to Queen Victoria if you search the family tree hard enough, but if I remember right from Prince Philip's funeral I think he thought of himself as Danish rather than Greek, so they're probably reasonably closely related if anyone has the patience to look it up. The Emperor of Japan will have been near the front I assume on some sort of basis that monarchs outrank presidents.MrWalker said:Interesting seating arrangements.
As for Macron sitting nearer the front than Biden, that's either some complex rule of precedent based on some obscure technicality or else top level trolling.1 -
Swindon_Addick said:
The Queen of Denmark is (very distant) family. Pretty much all European monarchs are related to Queen Victoria if you search the family tree hard enough, but if I remember right from Prince Philip's funeral I think he thought of himself as Danish rather than Greek, so they're probably reasonably closely related if anyone has the patience to look it up. The Emperor of Japan will have been near the front I assume on some sort of basis that monarchs outrank presidents.MrWalker said:Interesting seating arrangements.
As for Macron sitting nearer the front than Biden, that's either some complex rule of precedent based on some obscure technicality or else top level trolling.
Trump would have pushed his way through and turfed The King out of his seat.
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The King and Camilla have flown up to Scotland for some private time to grieve. And much needed rest, away from the public eye, after the turbulent last 2 weeks3
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I've learned so much about royal stuff recently that I have to keep reminding myself that I'm not a royalist. I'm more a republican who admired the Queen as an individual and respected the way she stayed out of the way of the elected politicians.
I really liked the short piece by Lewis Goodall, who used to do political analysis for Newsnight but is with LBC nowadays, musing on why so many people who aren't royalists were so caught up in the funeral.
As a test for my newly-acquired knowledge of things royal, I think the job of throwing an errant president out of the Abbey would have fallen to the blokes with the swan feathers on their helmets?
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They said on ITV that the Commonwealth heads of state were up the front, IIRC so that will partly account for why Biden is so far back. Perhaps the non-Commonwealth leaders were in alphabetical order by country, so no-one could get snitty about position being an indicator of importance? Admittedly that might get a bit tricky if both Iran and Iraq turned up for instance.Swindon_Addick said:
The Queen of Denmark is (very distant) family. Pretty much all European monarchs are related to Queen Victoria if you search the family tree hard enough, but if I remember right from Prince Philip's funeral I think he thought of himself as Danish rather than Greek, so they're probably reasonably closely related if anyone has the patience to look it up. The Emperor of Japan will have been near the front I assume on some sort of basis that monarchs outrank presidents.MrWalker said:Interesting seating arrangements.
As for Macron sitting nearer the front than Biden, that's either some complex rule of precedent based on some obscure technicality or else top level trolling.
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Got a text from an old friend later in the evening. I knew his boy had joined the RN a few months ago, but there was a picture of the lad helping pull the gun carriage!DaveMehmet said:
How proud must their parents have been watching them do it?carly burn said:Bearer party off for a pint.
We'll deserved. Stalwarts each and every one of them.
I of course take full credit as I lent them my S/T's a couple of times years ago, it must of instilled the sort of moral fibre in the lad, needed to achieve that sort of feat.
Joking aside, that's a bragging story for down the pub for the rest of your natural, "I saw Charlton at The Valley".5 -
An episode of Yes Prime Minister had that issue with a state funeral. The original plans had Iran and Iraq next to each other, with Israel on the same rowaliwibble said:
They said on ITV that the Commonwealth heads of state were up the front, IIRC so that will partly account for why Biden is so far back. Perhaps the non-Commonwealth leaders were in alphabetical order by country, so no-one could get snitty about position being an indicator of importance? Admittedly that might get a bit tricky if both Iran and Iraq turned up for instance.Swindon_Addick said:
The Queen of Denmark is (very distant) family. Pretty much all European monarchs are related to Queen Victoria if you search the family tree hard enough, but if I remember right from Prince Philip's funeral I think he thought of himself as Danish rather than Greek, so they're probably reasonably closely related if anyone has the patience to look it up. The Emperor of Japan will have been near the front I assume on some sort of basis that monarchs outrank presidents.MrWalker said:Interesting seating arrangements.
As for Macron sitting nearer the front than Biden, that's either some complex rule of precedent based on some obscure technicality or else top level trolling.
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Actually had this with my nephews the other week, had one of those crisps that was folded in half so I told them we call it a newspaper. Their confused looks prompted my sister to explain they've never actually seen a newspaper. They're 8 and 6. I have never felt so old.Chizz said:
"Uncle Hater, what's a newspaper?"palarsehater said:for the 1st time in many years bought 2 newspapers this morning to keep for my little neices who are 2 and 3 and will give them when im an old man i hope2 -
I would imagine Biden was nearer the toilets.6
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Swindon_Addick said:
The Queen of Denmark is (very distant) family. Pretty much all European monarchs are related to Queen Victoria if you search the family tree hard enough, but if I remember right from Prince Philip's funeral I think he thought of himself as Danish rather than Greek, so they're probably reasonably closely related if anyone has the patience to look it up. The Emperor of Japan will have been near the front I assume on some sort of basis that monarchs outrank presidents.MrWalker said:Interesting seating arrangements.
As for Macron sitting nearer the front than Biden, that's either some complex rule of precedent based on some obscure technicality or else top level trolling.
*This is like watching Dave, it's a repeat*
The reason Joe Biden was seated near the back was because it was nearer to the loo.
Edited 🤦🏻♂️ I will have to start reading from the last Post 🎺 as great minds think alike!1
