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Post-match Thread: Shrewsbury Town vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 22nd October 2022 - 3pm
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Very pleased with that. We badly needed the win, but that wasn't an easy place to get one. They had a couple of chances, including that cross that flashed across the goal, but man, we could have had that done and dusted by half time if we're talking chances.
What I like about BG is he has found a system that suits the players we have, but can still shake it up. Been a while since we had that.
In the words of Curbs, don't get too low with the losses, or high with the wins, but after earlier performances, this feels good.
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It's not, but that's why he got the job. Subtle but different.ElliotCAFC said:
4-3-3 is very much Garner’s normal system. That’s not something Sandgaard has forced on himBailey said:
Garner dropped the system dictated to him by those gurus of football 'The Sandgaards' if Adkins had done the same, he may have lasted longer in the job.eastterrace6168 said:Well, what a turn around there has been in the space of 10 days from a very ordinary looking average league one mid table side to one that can only see one way and that is up the league.
Something has changed within the club, and there seems a new found belief in our own ability to turn the season around, the next couple of games are going to prove pivotal, another six points and we will have opposition not wanting to play us as we could cement a top six place...don't let us and yourselves down now lads..👍
The change in formation isn't as drastic as people make out.
2 "proper" full backs, although I have no problem with Clare at right back.
Fraser not being shoehorned into being a 10. Like us and Ipswich tried.
The two "wingers" actually being narrower despite logic dictating they should actually be wider.
An extra player, Kirk/Leaburn, starting that has a goal or assist in them.
Payne and Aneke, match fit and half fit respectively, coming off the bench.
It's certainly not a 442 that Mike Bassett would recognise.
If anything we have almost stumbled on the 4231 we could have played last season.
It doesn't matter how we got there, but we did. Long may it continue.
My big fear is 2 or 3 injuries, suspensions, or loss of form to key players 🤔
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Only got to watch the second half. Thought we were pretty good and mostly in control. Shrewsbury had their moments but mostly I thought they tried to sit deep and were a niggly physical side, helped by a lenient ref (who probably helped us too because Stockley may have fouled their man in the build up to our goal).
Although we maybe made it harder work than needed with those first half misses, I’m very encouraged by the fact we found a way to win the match in those circumstances. It’s the kind of match we’ve been drawing or losing too often. The improvements in defence are a big reason for that. Much easier to win if you only need to score one to do so. Innis and O’Connell did very well against the aerial bombardment.Real progress in the last few matches. It feels a bit fragile, however. Fraser and Dobson are more than good enough in a 2, but they are absolutely key. Can McGrandles or Morgan do the same job? Does the defence stay so solid if Innis gets injured? Do we have enough cover at full back? And what happens if Stockley gets injured before Leaburn is fit?
We’re in a similar position to last season in we have a squad that was built on the assumption we’d be playing one formation, but we’ve ended up playing a different shape and that has made a squad, which already lacked depth on a couple of areas, look even more imbalanced. We are, however, long overdue a season where we have something other than terrible luck with injuries. Hopefully that will be this year because the team is looking pretty decent right now. Certainly good enough to maybe make the playoffs.3 -
Wasn't that also dependent on unloading JFC and DJ?Redrobo said:
Just a guess then.Southbank said:
Major ongoing costcutting in every area of the clubRedrobo said:
You are stating this as a fact so exactly why would that be the case and what has changed since the last day of the summer window.Southbank said:
The money position has not changed because we have won a few, but it might encourage a buyer. So, no, there will be no January striker, but Leaburn may go, to balance the books a little.charltonbob said:
With every win it takes us further away from recruiting a striker in January (if there was any chance in the first place)Wheresmeticket? said:
I don't care as long as he coughs up for a striker in January.sralan said:Good win. Three on the bounce !! How long before TS shows his face again and takes the plaudits?Why not say so instead of shouting and implying a fact.If the money position has not changed then we still have the money that we were signing a striker with on the last day, yes?1 -
Jesus Christ, give it a fucking rest. Everyone on here knows what you think! We've just had 3 wins on the spin, against Exeter who were flying, Portsmouth who are still above us and Shrewsbury who have just won their last 3.golfaddick said:I'm going full negative Nancy mode.
Playing bottom of the table MK Dons on Tues night. Lump every penny you have that we'll lose it
Still at least 1 striker light. Even having Chuks "fit" means he can only come on for the last 10 mins. Need him fit to play at least 45 mins. Today was crying out for a "finisher" to bury the chances being made. Cant rely on Stockley to score, esp not with his feet from open play.
With a balanced squad from day 1 we'd now be comfortably in the play offs.....and possibly only a point or 2 from automatics. But we are just an injury or 2 away from being dragged back into the pack. Looking at the teams around us with games in hand our "true" position is probably 10th.
Will be there on Tuesday & next Saturday. Anything less than 4 points makes the past 2 weeks inconsequential.
For godsake give it a rest, try and see we are improving, our defence is getting more solid (conceded 2 in 3) and we have scored 8 in 3.
You must be well pissed off we are doing well, if the run continues, what are you going to moan about? I'm sure you'll find something!
One final question if we get 6 points from the next 2 will that finally stop your negativity?19 -
It was said at the time that we only missed out as a Championship team came in at the last minute. I don’t think anyone said it fell through because a loan did not happen, although it was reported that we did pull a loan after it fell through.Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't that also dependent on unloading JFC and DJ?Redrobo said:
Just a guess then.Southbank said:
Major ongoing costcutting in every area of the clubRedrobo said:
You are stating this as a fact so exactly why would that be the case and what has changed since the last day of the summer window.Southbank said:
The money position has not changed because we have won a few, but it might encourage a buyer. So, no, there will be no January striker, but Leaburn may go, to balance the books a little.charltonbob said:
With every win it takes us further away from recruiting a striker in January (if there was any chance in the first place)Wheresmeticket? said:
I don't care as long as he coughs up for a striker in January.sralan said:Good win. Three on the bounce !! How long before TS shows his face again and takes the plaudits?Why not say so instead of shouting and implying a fact.If the money position has not changed then we still have the money that we were signing a striker with on the last day, yes?
I do not know a Charlton fan who is not hoping we sign a striker in January. If people actually know for a fact what the position will be in January then great.
Personally don’t think it will be a problem unloading those two in January anyway.1 -
I have to say I loved the way we time wasted at the end of the game. Was so nice to see a Charlton team pulling all the tricks out the bag to get the win and kill momentum.
Usually us who is on the receiving end of that.2 -
I don't think Sandgaard has suddenly broken even in the last few weeks so the chances of him bringing a striker in I would suggest would be less likely. I think the last three games have been a refreshing change and has put some much-needed smiles on people's faces, but I don't think this has anything to do with Sandgaard more likely it's in spite of him and his running down of the club, three straight wins won't change that. The change in form is down to the brave decisions of a manager looking for a winning combination, I hope the people who declare we shouldn't be blaming the owner are not spitting feathers over a lack of investment in the transfer window.7
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By January TS will have had 4 more months of losses to deal with. Given he claims to be losing 4 million a year that is over a million more gone by then.Redrobo said:
Just a guess then.Southbank said:
Major ongoing costcutting in every area of the clubRedrobo said:
You are stating this as a fact so exactly why would that be the case and what has changed since the last day of the summer window.Southbank said:
The money position has not changed because we have won a few, but it might encourage a buyer. So, no, there will be no January striker, but Leaburn may go, to balance the books a little.charltonbob said:
With every win it takes us further away from recruiting a striker in January (if there was any chance in the first place)Wheresmeticket? said:
I don't care as long as he coughs up for a striker in January.sralan said:Good win. Three on the bounce !! How long before TS shows his face again and takes the plaudits?Why not say so instead of shouting and implying a fact.If the money position has not changed then we still have the money that we were signing a striker with on the last day, yes?
I am only doing the maths as well as looking at the cuts he is making to the club's budget.
But maybe you are right. We will see in January, won't we.1 -
Well done lads, trying not to get carried away, but I think I am.
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He gave them a budget and as far as anyone knows that remains the situation.Bailey said:I don't think Sandgaard has suddenly broken even in the last few weeks so the chances of him bringing a striker in I would suggest would be less likely. I think the last three games have been a refreshing change and has put some much-needed smiles on people's faces, but I don't think this has anything to do with Sandgaard more likely it's in spite of him and his running down of the club, three straight wins won't change that. The change in form is down to the brave decisions of a manager looking for a winning combination, I hope the people who declare we shouldn't be blaming the owner are not spitting feathers over a lack of investment in the transfer window.
Sandgaard did appoint him so he at least gets credit for that and for stumping up for the very long extension lead.
So pleased that we are winning so Garners job is safer. We need him here for three years minimum.2 -
I will agree with the sentiments on Garner Redrobo, I would be delighted, like everyone else, if Garner is allowed to create a side that gets us out of this division, but he will need backing in that winter transfer window, to give him a chance this season, three straight wins has not changed the fragile nature of Aneke and Innis's fitness and Leaburn's return may take some time.Redrobo said:
He gave them a budget and as far as anyone knows that remains the situation.Bailey said:I don't think Sandgaard has suddenly broken even in the last few weeks so the chances of him bringing a striker in I would suggest would be less likely. I think the last three games have been a refreshing change and has put some much-needed smiles on people's faces, but I don't think this has anything to do with Sandgaard more likely it's in spite of him and his running down of the club, three straight wins won't change that. The change in form is down to the brave decisions of a manager looking for a winning combination, I hope the people who declare we shouldn't be blaming the owner are not spitting feathers over a lack of investment in the transfer window.
Sandgaard did appoint him so he at least gets credit for that and for stumping up for the very long extension lead.
So pleased that we are winning so Garners job is safer. We need him here for three years minimum.1 -
The problem may well be in finding our current owner to ascertain his plans for January should he still be holding the moth riddled purse.Bailey said:
I will agree with the sentiments on Garner Redrobo, I would be delighted, like everyone else, if Garner is allowed to create a side that gets us out of this division, but he will need backing in that winter transfer window, to give him a chance this season, three straight wins has not changed the fragile nature of Aneke and Innis's fitness and Leaburn's return may take some time.Redrobo said:
He gave them a budget and as far as anyone knows that remains the situation.Bailey said:I don't think Sandgaard has suddenly broken even in the last few weeks so the chances of him bringing a striker in I would suggest would be less likely. I think the last three games have been a refreshing change and has put some much-needed smiles on people's faces, but I don't think this has anything to do with Sandgaard more likely it's in spite of him and his running down of the club, three straight wins won't change that. The change in form is down to the brave decisions of a manager looking for a winning combination, I hope the people who declare we shouldn't be blaming the owner are not spitting feathers over a lack of investment in the transfer window.
Sandgaard did appoint him so he at least gets credit for that and for stumping up for the very long extension lead.
So pleased that we are winning so Garners job is safer. We need him here for three years minimum.
I'm given to understand that at present, he's doing an excellent impression of the Scarlet Pimpernel...
"They seek him here, they seek him there, they seek the " Great Dane" everywhere "2 -
We still have 3 loan spaces free, so even if we can't buy a striker, surely we could loan one?3
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killerandflash said:We still have 3 loan spaces free, so even if we can't buy a striker, surely we could loan one?
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Funny that. Short while ago, all he got was pelters for being so front and centre. So I'm betting those folks are happy. Perhaps someone can suggest the acceptable degree of involvement.Fanny Fanackapan said:
The problem may well be in finding our current owner to ascertain his plans for January should he still be holding the moth riddled purse.Bailey said:
I will agree with the sentiments on Garner Redrobo, I would be delighted, like everyone else, if Garner is allowed to create a side that gets us out of this division, but he will need backing in that winter transfer window, to give him a chance this season, three straight wins has not changed the fragile nature of Aneke and Innis's fitness and Leaburn's return may take some time.Redrobo said:
He gave them a budget and as far as anyone knows that remains the situation.Bailey said:I don't think Sandgaard has suddenly broken even in the last few weeks so the chances of him bringing a striker in I would suggest would be less likely. I think the last three games have been a refreshing change and has put some much-needed smiles on people's faces, but I don't think this has anything to do with Sandgaard more likely it's in spite of him and his running down of the club, three straight wins won't change that. The change in form is down to the brave decisions of a manager looking for a winning combination, I hope the people who declare we shouldn't be blaming the owner are not spitting feathers over a lack of investment in the transfer window.
Sandgaard did appoint him so he at least gets credit for that and for stumping up for the very long extension lead.
So pleased that we are winning so Garners job is safer. We need him here for three years minimum.
I'm given to understand that at present, he's doing an excellent impression of the Scarlet Pimpernel...
"They seek him here, they seek him there, they seek the " Great Dane" everywhere "13 -
We were minutes away from signing Bonne on loan until QPR pulled the plug - think people seem to be forgetting that - even if it's not the striker we wanted I think it's a bit unfair to say that there wasn't/isn't a willingness to bring in a striker in some capacity.Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't that also dependent on unloading JFC and DJ?Redrobo said:
Just a guess then.Southbank said:
Major ongoing costcutting in every area of the clubRedrobo said:
You are stating this as a fact so exactly why would that be the case and what has changed since the last day of the summer window.Southbank said:
The money position has not changed because we have won a few, but it might encourage a buyer. So, no, there will be no January striker, but Leaburn may go, to balance the books a little.charltonbob said:
With every win it takes us further away from recruiting a striker in January (if there was any chance in the first place)Wheresmeticket? said:
I don't care as long as he coughs up for a striker in January.sralan said:Good win. Three on the bounce !! How long before TS shows his face again and takes the plaudits?Why not say so instead of shouting and implying a fact.If the money position has not changed then we still have the money that we were signing a striker with on the last day, yes?4 -
I am no TS fan and there are any number of things he can be criticised for; but we lose somewhere between £4-8M pa and TS is covering that even if he is making cut backs. To describe it as a moth riddled purse is a bit petty.Fanny Fanackapan said:
The problem may well be in finding our current owner to ascertain his plans for January should he still be holding the moth riddled purse.Bailey said:
I will agree with the sentiments on Garner Redrobo, I would be delighted, like everyone else, if Garner is allowed to create a side that gets us out of this division, but he will need backing in that winter transfer window, to give him a chance this season, three straight wins has not changed the fragile nature of Aneke and Innis's fitness and Leaburn's return may take some time.Redrobo said:
He gave them a budget and as far as anyone knows that remains the situation.Bailey said:I don't think Sandgaard has suddenly broken even in the last few weeks so the chances of him bringing a striker in I would suggest would be less likely. I think the last three games have been a refreshing change and has put some much-needed smiles on people's faces, but I don't think this has anything to do with Sandgaard more likely it's in spite of him and his running down of the club, three straight wins won't change that. The change in form is down to the brave decisions of a manager looking for a winning combination, I hope the people who declare we shouldn't be blaming the owner are not spitting feathers over a lack of investment in the transfer window.
Sandgaard did appoint him so he at least gets credit for that and for stumping up for the very long extension lead.
So pleased that we are winning so Garners job is safer. We need him here for three years minimum.
I'm given to understand that at present, he's doing an excellent impression of the Scarlet Pimpernel...
"They seek him here, they seek him there, they seek the " Great Dane" everywhere "26 -
I stopped coming to Charlton Life because of the relentless negativity. Came back to read the Post Match thread as I thought 3 straight wins would have lifted the mood.
Can people just talk about the match and be happy for a few hours please? Keep anti TS stuff on his thread for those that want to read them.28 -
Sunshine, Three Fishes, Boar’s Head bit of Forest, three points, balti pies, bit more Boar’s Head. Home by 8.30, spotting us on the highlights. Quality day.
X is a shit’ole song- muggy unless you’re in a shithole.Also embarrassing that Mercia bill still using a bit of handbags at the play off game as an excuse for overtime. There was a bright yellow midget everywhere we went.0 - Sponsored links:
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golfaddick said:I'm going full negative Nancy mode.
Playing bottom of the table MK Dons on Tues night. Lump every penny you have that we'll lose it
Still at least 1 striker light. Even having Chuks "fit" means he can only come on for the last 10 mins. Need him fit to play at least 45 mins. Today was crying out for a "finisher" to bury the chances being made. Cant rely on Stockley to score, esp not with his feet from open play.
With a balanced squad from day 1 we'd now be comfortably in the play offs.....and possibly only a point or 2 from automatics. But we are just an injury or 2 away from being dragged back into the pack. Looking at the teams around us with games in hand our "true" position is probably 10th.
Will be there on Tuesday & next Saturday. Anything less than 4 points makes the past 2 weeks inconsequential.
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The rub of the green we deserved , still can’t believe he missed it …looks worse in real time8 -
I did exactly the same, and thought the same as you, but most on here are enjoying this lovely spell. Great to have a team and manager we can get behind thanks to tactics and genuinely good performances on the pitch and not just sentiment.balham red said:I stopped coming to Charlton Life because of the relentless negativity. Came back to read the Post Match thread as I thought 3 straight wins would have lifted the mood.
Can people just talk about the match and be happy for a few hours please? Keep anti TS stuff on his thread for those that want to read them.8 -
Was at the game. A watchable game, with plenty of good chances spurned by both sides.J Rak-Sak wastefulness at one end has been well documented already, but a goal line clearance by Stockers and a great block from O'Connell just before half time to keep us level are well worthy of mention too. O'Connell was indeed excellent throughout and was my motm.I felt that Shrews were a bit more quick with their forward passing, whereas we were content with the usual GarnerBall patient side to side and backwards style until an opening presented. All in all the teams level at half time seemed a fair reflection of the first 45 and I felt at half time that whoever got the first goal would probably win the game.Second half there were less chances, 2 really dangerous crosses into our box from Shrews aside, we weren't really troubled. BG got the subs spot on both tactically and timing wise with the changes seeing Kirk move out wide left, JRS into the centre to accommodate Payne wide right. That proved pivotal as Payne quickly got to the by-line and pulled back to a now more central JRS to tap in. We were then able to see out the last 25 mins very comfortably indeed. Aneke could even have sealed it on the break but Glovesy showed strong hands.I'm not getting too carried away just yet as I think we are about par for the course at the moment. But things certainly look rosier than 2 weeks ago and long live 442....7
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One thing is for sure, IF we can dispatch MK Dons on Tuesday (which is no given, as we all know full well), Ipswich will be a fantastic game of football next Saturday!4
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You do know that attention seekers only get worse if you feed them with attention right?Redmidland said:
Jesus Christ, give it a fucking rest. Everyone on here knows what you think! We've just had 3 wins on the spin, against Exeter who were flying, Portsmouth who are still above us and Shrewsbury who have just won their last 3.golfaddick said:I'm going full negative Nancy mode.
Playing bottom of the table MK Dons on Tues night. Lump every penny you have that we'll lose it
Still at least 1 striker light. Even having Chuks "fit" means he can only come on for the last 10 mins. Need him fit to play at least 45 mins. Today was crying out for a "finisher" to bury the chances being made. Cant rely on Stockley to score, esp not with his feet from open play.
With a balanced squad from day 1 we'd now be comfortably in the play offs.....and possibly only a point or 2 from automatics. But we are just an injury or 2 away from being dragged back into the pack. Looking at the teams around us with games in hand our "true" position is probably 10th.
Will be there on Tuesday & next Saturday. Anything less than 4 points makes the past 2 weeks inconsequential.
For godsake give it a rest, try and see we are improving, our defence is getting more solid (conceded 2 in 3) and we have scored 8 in 3.
You must be well pissed off we are doing well, if the run continues, what are you going to moan about? I'm sure you'll find something!
One final question if we get 6 points from the next 2 will that finally stop your negativity?0 -
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We were also minutes away from off loading the other two.Manic_mania said:
We were minutes away from signing Bonne on loan until QPR pulled the plug - think people seem to be forgetting that - even if it's not the striker we wanted I think it's a bit unfair to say that there wasn't/isn't a willingness to bring in a striker in some capacity.Cafc43v3r said:
Wasn't that also dependent on unloading JFC and DJ?Redrobo said:
Just a guess then.Southbank said:
Major ongoing costcutting in every area of the clubRedrobo said:
You are stating this as a fact so exactly why would that be the case and what has changed since the last day of the summer window.Southbank said:
The money position has not changed because we have won a few, but it might encourage a buyer. So, no, there will be no January striker, but Leaburn may go, to balance the books a little.charltonbob said:
With every win it takes us further away from recruiting a striker in January (if there was any chance in the first place)Wheresmeticket? said:
I don't care as long as he coughs up for a striker in January.sralan said:Good win. Three on the bounce !! How long before TS shows his face again and takes the plaudits?Why not say so instead of shouting and implying a fact.If the money position has not changed then we still have the money that we were signing a striker with on the last day, yes?2 -
The team seems to be improving as the season goes along.
Inniss and O'Connell proving to be a decent partnership.
Dobson and Fraser now playing really well together.
Having two wing backs that are natural wing backs is a big plus.
Having Aneke back gives us options from the bench.
Still need a natural finisher up top but overall I think Garner is getting the best out of what we have.
A couple of weeks ago I had pretty much given up on this season but all of a sudden there appears to be reasons to be optimistic.
Onwards and upwards.5 -
If Garner is to be credited with doing a good job, then some credit must also go to those who appointed him in spite of some initial fan scepticism as I recall.Bailey said:I don't think Sandgaard has suddenly broken even in the last few weeks so the chances of him bringing a striker in I would suggest would be less likely. I think the last three games have been a refreshing change and has put some much-needed smiles on people's faces, but I don't think this has anything to do with Sandgaard more likely it's in spite of him and his running down of the club, three straight wins won't change that. The change in form is down to the brave decisions of a manager looking for a winning combination, I hope the people who declare we shouldn't be blaming the owner are not spitting feathers over a lack of investment in the transfer window.
For the next transfer window, players will have to go to create space under the EFL player wage budget first. Garner himself said it was mostly utilized last time and it will have shrunken since, assuming that TS's turnover forecasts, which determine it, were overestimated as they would have been based on higher attendance numbers than we're getting.
So if we get another striker, I'm expecting it to be a loan deal to avoid a longer term wage commitment.1
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